cant sign on police anymore
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y want 2 join the "police"???? wat so good about "spf"??? y not joining our "SAF"??? is better i'll tell u wat, did u know that SAF is bigger then spf??? i think u should consider joining spf...!!! NO FUTURE! NO LIFE! NO PROSPECT!!
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SAF then got no future. and no life.how long can u sign on for?30 plus?after u come out,u practically have no way out..as in hokkien 'bo bay chao'. no where to runOriginally posted by class95kenneth:y want 2 join the "police"???? wat so good about "spf"??? y not joining our "SAF"??? is better i'll tell u wat, did u know that SAF is bigger then spf??? i think u should consider joining spf...!!! NO FUTURE! NO LIFE! NO PROSPECT!! -
u in SPF also won't learn much dat people would want 'outside', unless u orhwice owl for the whole 5 yrs loh....which is super-highly unlikelyOriginally posted by kakashi84:SAF then got no future. and no life.how long can u sign on for?30 plus?after u come out,u practically have no way out..as in hokkien 'bo bay chao'. no where to run -
at least its a respectable job.im more in awe and respectful of some1 who is a police officer then a guy who sign up with the army.in spf,if u perform up to standard,uncan at least work on till 40 plus or 50..army guy?have u ever seen some1 in his late forties still in the army?they would have ask u to pack ur bags and leave.SAF cannot make it.if im really desperate and even the coffee shop uncle wont employ me,then i would sign on with SAFOriginally posted by chunyong:u in SPF also won't learn much dat people would want 'outside', unless u orhwice owl for the whole 5 yrs loh....which is super-highly unlikely
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some sign on for the sewer serwern benefits and other stuff lohOriginally posted by kakashi84:at least its a respectable job.im more in awe and respectful of some1 who is a police officer then a guy who sign up with the army.in spf,if u perform up to standard,uncan at least work on till 40 plus or 50..army guy?have u ever seen some1 in his late forties still in the army?they would have ask u to pack ur bags and leave.SAF cannot make it.if im really desperate and even the coffee shop uncle wont employ me,then i would sign on with SAF -
Originally posted by chunyong:
Whats that?btw,u are in SAF ar?
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Selectively quoting our texts isnt going to lead you very far, my dear. Why arent u responding to our comments about parking, but picking on those on eating, when you accuse us of doing the same?Originally posted by skeujin:u dnt seem to speak with a single tongue... dnt waste my time...
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The converse can be just as true....whats so good about the SAF?Originally posted by class95kenneth:y want 2 join the "police"???? wat so good about "spf"??? y not joining our "SAF"??? is better i'll tell u wat, did u know that SAF is bigger then spf??? i think u should consider joining spf...!!! NO FUTURE! NO LIFE! NO PROSPECT!!
Anyway, this isnt worthy of some silly dick-comparing contest. Each have their own reasons and preferences. For someone like me who is actually representing both forces, I am definitely sure which colour I am choosing to have a full-time career with, and the other is not an option I find worth considering. -
You are quite right about the speeding police and complaints and such. I have to stress that police officers are not king of the roads. If caught beating the red light, we jolly well have evidence to proof that it is justified, or else we kana double charge. Speeding, of coz, is harder to have documentary proof, but should we speed for no reason (and I am wondering why should we speed for nothing anyway), we are liable for double charge too of coz.Originally posted by PrettyDajie:wow this topic very interesting... really different comments from different mindsets...
But, typically... pple dislike police becoz... there are those 'black sheeps'. Police used to have many many "benefits" but, think now... its nearly all gonez....
Just to share with you all..... police force is a place whereby, they also have "laws" for them to abide....
Maybe, I am wrong.. but traffic police just can't speed to chase speeders... they need to report back using walkies (if I m not wrong) that, they spotted a speeding car.. and seek permission to speed... so as to chase the car..
Police officer can be also being complaint and marked.... They are humans too.. but, they have to live up a good reputation..and set a good example.. becoz, in the government's eyes.. they must be the last person to go against the law..
When they check on you.. and sound demanding.. that's probably, becoz.. they need to show some authority..They do not know you... hence, what if you are those rebellious type.. then, you don want to co-operate....
haiz.... its difficult for them too la.. -
me was once sewer serwern in SPF.
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Hi,Originally posted by skeujin:go to seah im bus interchange whr the hawker centre is... every lunch time DAILY... a patrol car will ABUSE ITS AUTHORITY n park ILLEGALLY at the area next to whr the sentosa bus bays are.
this is a BUS interchange oni BUSSES n vehicles who have OFFICIAL BUSINESS can enter. Even for those who are on official business, ther is a proper lot for them to park which the cops NEVER USE.
bout 2 - 3 cops in uniform will waltz out n go tah pau lunch from the hawker centre....
if they r officially on duty patroling the area or attending to a call i wldnt find it an eyesore.
It would be very much appreciated if the facts can be noted before you passed on the wrong ones. I frequent the area and I believe you are talking about the PSA police which does not fall under the jusridication the Home Team.
Please, do look for the difference of their equipment and uniforms. Which some are too small to be noticed. Just like CISCO, the usual members of public don't even know how to differentiate their collar badge apart from the PO proper.
Why do I know? Because I used to work in Harbourfront for 2 whole years, waiting for bus there for 2 whole years.
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Ha...I happen to pass by that area on my daily commute too, but not to the extent of actually hanging around the area.
I wont be surprised if its a case of mistaken identity. Refer to a few posts earlier, and see how he criticises the security staff at the checkpoints, when he dosent seem to be able to point out which organisation they belong to other then simply the SPF? -
Allow me to add a different perspective to the issue about the image of the Singapore Police. In the U.S, there are more various different police in different states. Each state the police impression to the public is different. In NY, the policeman are looked upon like gangsters because most of the officers have Italian heritage. In Califonia, the cops are view as snobbish for what reason I've yet to learn. In New Jersy, the cops are consider as tough guys. And so on.
In Singapore, a small country with 1 main police force, not including the auxiliary police, you therefore cannot fault the public for expecting a higher standards & impression from the police. Yes, its true that even policemen are human beings with feelings & emotions & days when everything is bad for a policeman. The point is how you handle your problems? The general public expects the police to solve their problem & not add to it. I understand that some Singapore police officers might think that this is rediculars but the fact is that you've volunteer for a service to the public & have sworn to do it to the best of your abilities. So how can you grumble that policeman need to eat therefore can illegally park their car to go buy food( its just an example ). Instead of answering in such hostile manner, a policeman odd to think of his organisation image before he replies, eg, policemen try their best not to inconvin the public by getting their food as quickly as possible & returning back to their station therefore, its unavoilable that some of them might chose to park in an arear closes to the shop which caould inconvin the public for a short time.
England, a country bigger then Singapore, the policemen there are known to the public with affection as Bobbies. Until recently, British policemen don't even carry firearms because even the tugs have respect for the boobies doing their service to the public. And believe me when I said that British policemen have a far tougher job then Singapore policemen, yet they can still professionally carry out their duties.
As heartless as this might sound, as long as you're wearing a uniform irregardless of whether it be police or army, to be recognise as a professional, you'll have to put the organisation image ahead of your own personal feelings or emotions. And members of the public are the judges of whether or not you're a professional.
To know the relationship between the police & the public, pick a random member of public & ask him to name you his estate nearest policeman by name. At least in U.S, some members of the public do know their policemen by name.
Please do not view my thread as an insult or anything negative. I'm just sharing by views. I've respect for all uniform service regardless of it being a nurse, fireman, police or military. Without all these people, 9/11 outcome could have been worst. -
fella forumites,
dont get so work up... this forum is here to discuss, as you can see we have tried to maintain peace and order here so far....
no one flaming or accusing here..... peace....
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kakashi84 : -
hope you can get your dream job soon~
skeujin : -
thanks for voicing out here, i believe you have been informed of the respective department to channel your complains, as for doubts, we will try our best to answer you here as long as it dont infringe OSA... as for the car parked in the bus bay i cant tell you are they authorised to park there by SBS transit as there are always some "alliance" among SPF and different agencies like SAF, Home Team etc and statutory board like HDB, SBS Transit etc.... which i dont see the need to explain to you which should be OSA... do refer to first two lines of this paragraph...
houndy and huaiwei : -
thanks for helping out these few days when i believe all the mods are busy with their life....
cornyfish2000 : -
i am sorry that i cant help you out on the "celling" topic... so far the celling i know is the pay and not the rank.... =) we do have officers that holding the rank of SUPT with only O levels.... i am not sure about army.... as for SPF, JO can be promoted to SO based on some criterias set by PHQ, but i can be sure if a person joins SPF as JO( with diploma and below ), they wont be "upgraded" just because they attained a Degree... but it will be "taken into consideration" when come to promotion....
anfuni : -
thanks for voicing out your comments....
plain_queen : -
thank you for helping us to look out for the applications~
chunyong : -
thou you are not really being neutral here, but thanks anyway.... i believe you did not enjoy the time that you have spend previously with SPF... did i mentioned that you are just serving NS?
PrettyDajie : -
as for what you have voiced out "on behalf", its not really correct.... and sad to say that due to what you have discussed(because its our procedures) are classified under OSA, i shall not comment further...
pysche : -
as for CNB, its of cos as challenging as SPF, but both departments have its pros and cons.... of cos not forgetting that the "experience" one can accumulate for both departments are different too...
class95kenneth : -
i believe everyone have their own choice of career, so i shall leave it to the public to "see" it for themselves....
Raving-Ed : -
thanks for helping out in this forum.... hope your trust in SPF are still the same or even better....
John Ching : -
thank you for your valuable comments.... I can only tell you that those that are grumbling too much had actually left the force.... its a career that one chooses and they were not being force to join.... i hope this part of your comments do "wake" some officers up as some of them joined SPF due to other personal reasons then passion.... its not easy to maintain high standard in SG service industries, especially when our service industries had recent being a "hot topic" recently... if you have follow the news closely, you should know what i mean....
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Hi, I'm not trying to pour cold water on your views about military future prospect & that of the police. But I just want to state the fact that neither service prospect are very high if you're just an infantry soldier or a patroling policeman.Originally posted by class95kenneth:y want 2 join the "police"???? wat so good about "spf"??? y not joining our "SAF"??? is better i'll tell u wat, did u know that SAF is bigger then spf??? i think u should consider joining spf...!!! NO FUTURE! NO LIFE! NO PROSPECT!!
Your future prospect from either of these 2 service depends on what MOS or vocation, as I've come to learn, you were in the service. Of course, if you were a fighter pilot or a medica profession, your chance are much higher in getting a job in the civilian world.
I'm not familiar with the military or police force workings here but the length of your service in the military depends on you & your physical standards. Most U.S soldiers this day prefer to service 1 contract with the military as an experience & then move on to the civilise world.
As for cops, my advise is to further study on subjects that are relevant to the job market in the civilise world, unless your aims to be a rent-a-cop.
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SAF overpaid and underwork... hmmm... never been use in battle.. nothing to fight for anyway...Originally posted by class95kenneth:y want 2 join the "police"???? wat so good about "spf"??? y not joining our "SAF"??? is better i'll tell u wat, did u know that SAF is bigger then spf??? i think u should consider joining spf...!!! NO FUTURE! NO LIFE! NO PROSPECT!! -
Anyway why people like to complain about us? i also like to complain about them... think got at least 100 people looking, a person snatch a bag and run. Victim shout for help.. anyone help? nope 100 people looking... police see man running.. chase man down the MAIN road... 500 people looking, 100 cars on the road.. police shouting for him to stop... anyone help? nope.. 500 people and 100 cars looking.. anyway this crook is really desprate i think, since now he covered at least 2KM and still going.. 3 cars already at scene.. finally one car jump the kerb to block him.. the car blocked a lane on the road...subject detained.. other officers jump out of the car to assist in detaining the subject..
blocking another lane.. so now only 2 lanes passable to traffic...5 minutes later.. got info that somemore call 999 to infd that police car parked anyhow on the road... so moral of the story is ... people only know how to complain and dont know how to help. complain is always much easier than actually assisting.. oh well... i mean it is a known fact right...
It is the society too... last time your mum use to scare you by saying if you dont do this do that, policeman will come and arrest you.. nowadays after higher education. Most people will think they know everything and they cant be wrong. And society has become very selfish too. So the blue uniform will become a target as our job is plain and simple. To follow the book....But of course sometimes we use brains.. If not those jaywalkers will all be fined $20/- anyway... You will not know but many normal things you do in life is actually not correct...
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How long???Originally posted by chunyong:me was once sewer serwern in SPF. -
Thanks for your comments, although I would like to point out that being defensive is not our ethos here. Let me just summarise the above again from the perspective of an officer, which prompted our responces:Originally posted by John Ching:Allow me to add a different perspective to the issue about the image of the Singapore Police. In the U.S, there are more various different police in different states. Each state the police impression to the public is different. In NY, the policeman are looked upon like gangsters because most of the officers have Italian heritage. In Califonia, the cops are view as snobbish for what reason I've yet to learn. In New Jersy, the cops are consider as tough guys. And so on.
In Singapore, a small country with 1 main police force, not including the auxiliary police, you therefore cannot fault the public for expecting a higher standards & impression from the police. Yes, its true that even policemen are human beings with feelings & emotions & days when everything is bad for a policeman. The point is how you handle your problems? The general public expects the police to solve their problem & not add to it. I understand that some Singapore police officers might think that this is rediculars but the fact is that you've volunteer for a service to the public & have sworn to do it to the best of your abilities. So how can you grumble that policeman need to eat therefore can illegally park their car to go buy food( its just an example ). Instead of answering in such hostile manner, a policeman odd to think of his organisation image before he replies, eg, policemen try their best not to inconvin the public by getting their food as quickly as possible & returning back to their station therefore, its unavoilable that some of them might chose to park in an arear closes to the shop which caould inconvin the public for a short time.
England, a country bigger then Singapore, the policemen there are known to the public with affection as Bobbies. Until recently, British policemen don't even carry firearms because even the tugs have respect for the boobies doing their service to the public. And believe me when I said that British policemen have a far tougher job then Singapore policemen, yet they can still professionally carry out their duties.
As heartless as this might sound, as long as you're wearing a uniform irregardless of whether it be police or army, to be recognise as a professional, you'll have to put the organisation image ahead of your own personal feelings or emotions. And members of the public are the judges of whether or not you're a professional.
To know the relationship between the police & the public, pick a random member of public & ask him to name you his estate nearest policeman by name. At least in U.S, some members of the public do know their policemen by name.
Please do not view my thread as an insult or anything negative. I'm just sharing by views. I've respect for all uniform service regardless of it being a nurse, fireman, police or military. Without all these people, 9/11 outcome could have been worst.
First, while there has been sighting of "policemen" parking their cars "illegally" in order to buy food, which is of coz worthy for complains if proven true, the fact remains that this accusation is pretty groundless right now. One, we cannot ascertain if the person who sighted the offending officers are actually members of the regular SPF. That the complainant has already mistaken immigration officers as regular SPF officers already casts doubts in his abilities to differentiate between the various services and their uniforms. Two, bus interchanges, as far as I know, have a sign which states that "No entry except authorised vehicles" or something like that. In theory, it does not specify that "non-official" uses of the bus interchange is "illegal." Buying food from public places, btw, is not exactly considered "non-official."
We agree, that basic professionalism of police officers involve not showing undue emotions, nor "giving more problems" to the general public. However, that our responses above are seen as "grumbling" or "unprofessional" is a debatable conclusion. Pointing out the fact that officers need to eat, is perhaps seen as "grumbling" to non-Singaporeans, but an understanding of the Singaporean general public perceptions of the police force invariably shows, that the expectations of policemen are so high, that any form of "bodily maintenance" are expected to be done outside public view. Our internal rules, quite expectedly, forbid us from sleeping and resting in public, including being in any pose that appears sloppy. But in addition to this, the Singaporean public expectations adds a whole range of "rules,"ranging from not having officers seen to be eating in public view (including the act of purchasing) as mentioned above, to perhaps even the usage of public toilets (especially urinals)?!
Yes, there will indeed be officers who may take advantage of their "priviledges" in certain cicumstances, but it remains a debatable notion to argue that officers parking in the bus interchange are indeed consciously exploitative. Its not like they need to pay for parking. And its not like they cant walk longer. As I have pointed out, if they chose to avoid jostling with the general public in finding a parking lot (and potentially getting even MORE complaints from disgruntled folks!), is that neccesarily expolitative?
Each localitity have highly different social circumstances, and hence, it is usually not a good idea to compare our relations with the general public with that of other societies. For example, the turnover rate of police officers in Singapore is relatively high. Officers are promoted relatively quickly, shuffled around either by post (which can affect their job scopes) or geographically to other locations, and young Singaporeans are notoriously mobile when it comes to their career choices. In addition, consider how much the SPf relies on volatile manpower souces like NS police and the VSCs. The former, in particular, do not stay for more then 2 years now. Which other police force in the world relies so much on national service officers and volunteers, all of which wears the same uniform completely indistinguisable from each other?
If some of you still do not know, I myself is a member of the VSC. In order words, I am a reservist with the SAF (on holding list now thou.
), is a student (and hence a civilian), and yet, also a volunteer policeman vested with policing powers. By my personal experiences of having a hand or leg in all three perspectives concurrently, I have had to see the same events from multiple perspectives at once, and this, I hope, allows me to contribute subtaintiatlly and objectively to this discussion here, without u guys classifying me as "an officer" or "a civilian," and making presumptions on my bias and so on, if any of you did so. -
huaiwei, dont tink tt because i nvr post, it means tt i admit im wrong.
i knw what i saw n who those people are.
this is my last post in this thread cause i really cant b bothered with a snake tongued person like you who twists facts that have been posted n worse of all, put words in people's mouthes.
if it was a sensible argument based on exactly whats written n such, ill still post but your ego n ability to adding your imagination to the subject is irritating. n to think you actually wana use your bull to flame me.
thanks to the rest who understands this is n open debate n have done so w/o flames, i admire n respect your maturity. -
See it is our job and we are called snake tongue.. ......
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noone is flaming u.i see nothing wrong with his post. why are u trying so hard to tarnish the reputation of SPF here?Have u ran foul into the law here,thats why u are trying so hard to bring them down?btw,there's bound to be some black sheep in the SPF.same goes to SaF and navy,air force and heck,even the uncle selling kopi have attitude problem.Originally posted by skeujin:huaiwei, dont tink tt because i nvr post, it means tt i admit im wrong.
i knw what i saw n who those people are.
this is my last post in this thread cause i really cant b bothered with a snake tongued person like you who twists facts that have been posted n worse of all, put words in people's mouthes.
if it was a sensible argument based on exactly whats written n such, ill still post but your ego n ability to adding your imagination to the subject is irritating. n to think you actually wana use your bull to flame me.
thanks to the rest who understands this is n open debate n have done so w/o flames, i admire n respect your maturity.
u think every1 is perfect meh?get real and stop grumbling abt police officer buying lunch to eat.u think they are robots ar?no need to eat at all?and u are speaking as though huaiwei is the one who park his car in the bus interchange?what's your agenda?btw,this is my thread informing that its not possible to sign on to the police.not for some snake to make some ranting abt a few officer that buy lunch to eat at the interchange -
I dont sit around waiting for you to post, lapping up your words with utmost pleasure (or otherwise).Originally posted by skeujin:huaiwei, dont tink tt because i nvr post, it means tt i admit im wrong.
i knw what i saw n who those people are.
this is my last post in this thread cause i really cant b bothered with a snake tongued person like you who twists facts that have been posted n worse of all, put words in people's mouthes.
if it was a sensible argument based on exactly whats written n such, ill still post but your ego n ability to adding your imagination to the subject is irritating. n to think you actually wana use your bull to flame me.
thanks to the rest who understands this is n open debate n have done so w/o flames, i admire n respect your maturity.
Time and again, we asked you to show proof in what you saw, and you have failed to do so. You did not even bother tell us if you had to least tried to identify if they are NPCO officers, simply by the name of the NPC on the side of their cars. Without your clarifications and any evidence to back up your accusations, do you tink we are going to take your comments hook, line and sinker?
I tot our operations are based on evidence?
Just because people dont buy your accusations immediately, and you take offence in that. What is writtern exactly is what is to be taken at face value, only if it is writtern by you, perhaps? It is interesting to see how you yourself reacted defensively, and now accuses me of talking nonsence, showing immaturity, and basically letting my ego get the better of me.
Well, may the above posts speak for themselves. Meanwhile, may I join the others in reminding you to lodge a formal complaint with the relevant authorities!
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Must be kenna those operation that raid pubs, then force to kneel down... SSB, AVB and CNB rocks in this....
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As they say...the folks who complain and sabo most policemen are those with connection with the blue uniform....