is that the right way?
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Well, i think you did not read my reply carefully..... *sigh*Originally posted by flyt0thesky:well, iznt the officer insulting the person? worse, wad if the person could not take it and commited suicide?
dont u tink profanities shld be avoided?
really a waste of time, hope this is the last time i tell you this alright?
What did i just said? If you are not happy, GO AHEAD AND COMPLAIN!!!!!
no one said that you cant...
its just the difference that gone were those days where Uniform Groups practice : Do now, Talk later.....
Your generation : Talk first, Do later.....
so get it? if not, i rest my case.... -
what is with the younger generations??? get scolded and commit sucide?? idiotic right...
Verbal insults are ok.. just take it and learn.. but of course I dont encourage the phyisical ones -
sometimes things like this happen ... no one is perfect ... as a trainee its sad that we can be helpless but thats the way it is ... so have to suck it up and be a man ... if a little scolding can make the person commit suicide he has no right to be there ...Originally posted by flyt0thesky:well, iznt the officer insulting the person? worse, wad if the person could not take it and commited suicide?
dont u tink profanities shld be avoided?
Small things like this have to give and take ... take the good things from people and dun reapeat the bad things ... -
Let me make a guess. Are you the one who was scoulded actually?Originally posted by flyt0thesky:well, iznt the officer insulting the person? worse, wad if the person could not take it and commited suicide?
dont u tink profanities shld be avoided?
As someone who is (still) in the NPCC as well as having half a foot in the SPF via the VSC, I have heard of comments like this till kingdom come, and it bored me to no end. Lets take it this way. The instructor trainign you is an SPF regular, someone used to training police officer trainees for goodness noes how long. Not every instructor can adapt that easily practically overnight when suddenly tasked to take charge of a bunch of (sensitive?) teenagers. Of coz, this is no excuse, and yes, I do agree that this officer could have handled the situation a little better by adapting his style according to the "clients" involved here.
That said, this is no excuse for cadets to take the opportunity in defending their own wrong-doings by highlighting such flaws. A cadet who continues smiling in the file is obviously asking for a reprimand, and I dont think this cadet is some secondary one kiddy who dosent noe basic expectations of drill. The NPCC may have internal guidelines frowning upon capital punishment in general, as well as the use of profanity in any circumstance, but does this apply to external instructors? Not neccesarily. These instructors owe you nothing. They are not there to conduct their duties according to your expections. They do it according to their sense of professionalism, and what they deem as the best way to get their message across and to meet collective objectives.
Lets face it. This world isnt going to be governed by rules which forbid insults. Learn to accept them and handle them, something which seems to be diminishing along with the way current educational values are being moulded. I can see that some folks above seem to agree with me on this one? -
No lar... now its all spoon feeding... thats it? who cares anyway, i not happy i complain lor...
no point explaining to those whom are too comfortable with their life...
I still remember those days, where there is ration on water, and i have to rely on maggi mee for breakfast....
ha! *luffs* you think kids nowadays know things like that? -
I think this current generation knows how to think, and they know their rights.
The old model of leadership where you beat your underlings into submission is not really going to work, not work well at least, irregardless of how hard the old days were, the fact is, is that they are irrevelant now, harking back to the old tough days simply will not work, or bitching that nobody relates to you now for that matter.
It's softer now, but not necessarly a bad thing. They are not spartans in the end. -
wats a red tab? u mean a red tap? or gold tap?Originally posted by flyt0thesky:a sssgt with red tab scolding someone ' stupid b l o o d y i d i o t ' just because the person smiled . Apparantly, he kept on calling the person names causing him embarrassement and pride to fall.
i personally feel that, he tinks by inducing fear into the trainees/cadets will get them to be submissive towards him. However, they would even hate him more.
i feel that he should inspire and motivate them instead of calling names of the person. he may be a legend in the past, but this is the new generation he should use different methods.
what do u guys think? 
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okies...i take it that this is related to the NKF saga?Originally posted by nightzip:wats a red tab? u mean a red tap? or gold tap?
POs pay are seriously below peanuts.
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OT slightly..but I never had to yell at anyone in my Army days as a Spec.It depends on the way you deal with people under you.You can be firm and not resort to vulgarities.It's about whether you want to take that extra step and see your cadet/trainee as a person who is educable, or take the easy way out and let loose your artillery on him, AND causing collateral damage at the same time.
An effective leader is one that has troops respecting him and find it worthwhile to work for him.An abusive one is one that has obedient but sullen troops, and he might get shot by them in war.
Choose your path.But if you are a cadet/trainee/recruit, please have some brains as well and not become a cylume stick in the dark waiting to be knocked over. -
I think the whole issue is much broader then just a bunch of kids whining. It is reflective of Singaporean society moving towards one which is increasingly less communal, and more individualistic. Confucianist principals are being chunked out of the window, to be replaced by American pop culture of individual rights and expression. Is this neccesarily bad? Perhaps not. But it does produce a whole range of problems all of its own, just as the old system used to have problems too.Originally posted by SingaporeTyrannosaur:I think this current generation knows how to think, and they know their rights.
The old model of leadership where you beat your underlings into submission is not really going to work, not work well at least, irregardless of how hard the old days were, the fact is, is that they are irrevelant now, harking back to the old tough days simply will not work, or bitching that nobody relates to you now for that matter.
It's softer now, but not necessarly a bad thing. They are not spartans in the end.
So yesterday, we have instructors scoulding and insulting their trainees to the point that they go shoot themselves. Today, we have trainees questioning and insulting their instructors to the point that they go shoot themselves too.
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Well, you can't pin the blame on the switch to a different cultural mindset.It's about how you get the job done differently.If American pop culture is the downfall of society wholesale, then why is it a certain superpower is still pre-eminent today?Originally posted by huaiwei:I think the whole issue is much broader then just a bunch of kids whining. It is reflective of Singaporean society moving towards one which is increasingly less communal, and more individualistic. Confucianist principals are being chunked out of the window, to be replaced by American pop culture of individual rights and expression. Is this neccesarily bad? Perhaps not. But it does produce a whole range of problems all of its own, just as the old system used to have problems too.
So yesterday, we have instructors scoulding and insulting their trainees to the point that they go shoot themselves. Today, we have trainees questioning and insulting their instructors to the point that they go shoot themselves too.
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I yelled at my SOs.
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Tracom is kinda strict when it comes to practicing for parades... iwas involved in NPCC day Parade n PDP...under SSSgt firdaus...over the mic he oso scold all different contigents bloody fools, idiots n stuff...another SI (SPF), also did the same thing...wat can we do?? it's all for our own good...who wans a parade to look sucky due to lack of discipline??
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agree!Originally posted by kentheman:Tracom is kinda strict when it comes to practicing for parades... iwas involved in NPCC day Parade n PDP...under SSSgt firdaus...over the mic he oso scold all different contigents bloody fools, idiots n stuff...another SI (SPF), also did the same thing...wat can we do?? it's all for our own good...who wans a parade to look sucky due to lack of discipline??
guess nowadays singaporeans are not as tough as those in the past...can't take hardship -
as a trainee, even if u're unhappy, just take it. whats a lil scolding?
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SI? dark skinned one is it?
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yeah...indian...Originally posted by Deunamist:SI? dark skinned one is it? -
LOL bloody idiot and you got so 'emotional' ?
Hmmm, once you POP and go out to meet the public...
You will know how difficult some members of public can be and the words they used are so much harsher and full of sarcasm.