Novena Church exorcism suit begins
-
adrian lim is involved??
-
no lah. unless his ghost came backOriginally posted by mhcampboy:adrian lim is involved?? 
The plaintiff ever confessed in the past that she has bought human blood from Adrian Lim to heal her mental sickness. -
Looking at the plaintiff's name and her children's...
They don't sound like Catholics leh. Are they Catholics? -
if adrian lim involved then satanic..not catholic
-
and why the hell are the medical history files and case notes being brandished around to the media
-
you got me...
but here's one thing.. court files must be open to public..Originally posted by hisoka:and why the hell are the medical history files and case notes being brandished around to the media -
yeah.. at the office, i saw yesterday's chinese papers.. it said the woman drank blood and there's a pic of Adrian Lim there
usual sensationalist stuff -
She must have been possessed by some demons to sue the church.
-
If im not wrong also have to consult the Pope right??Originally posted by Honeybunz:Not sure about the Holy See. But I know have to inform the Archbishop and get his approval. Then the Archbishop has to go on fasting or prayer. Something like that. It's not as simple as what people commonly believe or what we see in movies -- ie. priests go to the place or person and sprinkle holy water.
That's why when the woman said the priests performed exorcism without her permission. It's a big big question mark there. It's either she is hallucinating or lying; or the priests were ignorant about the right procedure. -
ah yah... if every detail movie also show.... then a normal 2hr movie will be come 10hr liao...Originally posted by Honeybunz:Not sure about the Holy See. But I know have to inform the Archbishop and get his approval. Then the Archbishop has to go on fasting or prayer. Something like that. It's not as simple as what people commonly believe or what we see in movies -- ie. priests go to the place or person and sprinkle holy water.
That's why when the woman said the priests performed exorcism without her permission. It's a big big question mark there. It's either she is hallucinating or lying; or the priests were ignorant about the right procedure. -
Read today's ST. Wah, the daughter damn kiam pak one! I wonder whether the lawyer ever thought of slapping her during the cross examination.
-
yah.. i think the apple doesn't fall far from the treeOriginally posted by Honeybunz:Read today's ST. Wah, the daughter damn kiam pak one! I wonder whether the lawyer ever thought of slapping her during the cross examination.
-
hmm... have to ask our other moderator cum Guru SingaporeMacros.Originally posted by sand king:If im not wrong also have to consult the Pope right??
Wonder where is he...
Paging for SgMacros~~~ -
Originally posted by the Bear:yah.. i think the apple doesn't fall far from the tree
-
aka the daughter is very much like her mom
Originally posted by Honeybunz: -
no need Pope lah... if like this, Pope will be very busy one, he one person haw to handle all these...Originally posted by sand king:If im not wrong also have to consult the Pope right??
Think an Archbishop or even Bishop can make the decision liao... of course, the guidelines and rules still have to follow one.... -
\Originally posted by Honeybunz:Read today's ST. Wah, the daughter damn kiam pak one! I wonder whether the lawyer ever thought of slapping her during the cross examination.
sorry hah... can't help it... remember to put down your sword first... later pak liao cannot find some parts or parts litter everywhere...not nice, not nice ..
-
ROFL!!!!
'Woman possessed by spirit of 'dead soldier from Nee Soon camp'
http://www.straitstimes.com/Latest%2BNews/Courts%2Band%2BCrime/STIStory_170374.html?vgnmr=1 -
OrhOriginally posted by vince69:\
sorry hah... can't help it... remember to put down your sword first... later pak liao cannot find some parts or parts litter everywhere...not nice, not nice .. 
-
The drama will continue on Wednesday 31 Oct at 10 am at the High Court
-
The Electric New Paper :
Your mum visited M'sia with another man
Priest's lawyer says this to daughter to refute 'loving family' claim
SHE says her parents have a warm relationship. But that doesn't tally with what a private investigator observed.
By Crystal Chan
27 October 2007
SHE says her parents have a warm relationship. But that doesn't tally with what a private investigator observed.
According to him, MissSubashini Jeyabal's mother, Madam Amutha Valli, 51, is emotionally attached to another man.
Madam Amutha and her sworn brother, Mr Resham Singh, were seen going out together. It was revealed in court yesterday that the two had even travelled together.
And her psychiatrist had written that she was troubled because she loved another man, not her taxi driver husband, Mr Jeyabal Suppiah.
Madam Amutha is suing the Novena Church, two of its priests, and six volunteers for compensation for trauma resulting from what she claims was a botched 'exorcism'.
Miss Subashini, under cross-examination for the second day, admitted calling her mother 'a slut' during a quarrel. Senior Counsel Jimmy Yim asked if she did that because Madam Amutha was intimate with Mr Singh.
Mr Yim is defending Father Jacob Ong.
Miss Subashini, 22, a student, denied her mother was unfaithful and insisted that Mr Singh began staying at the family's Ang Mo Kio flat only early this year.
She said Mr Singh would spend three or four days a week at their flat and sleep on the balcony.
'Uncle Sham is my father's good friend's son too. My father works really long hours as a cabby - the bills have to be paid,' she said.
'It was my father who asked Uncle Sham to help us.'
She said she did not know why her father wanted an extra pair of hands at home when they have a maid.
When Mr Yim said Madam Amutha had told psychiatrists she had only a platonic relationship with her husband, Miss Subashini insisted that her parents have a warm husband-and-wife relationship.
She also refused to believe that her father could have asked his wife to pretend to be crazy to get compensation from Telecom, her former employer.
She said: 'This doesn't fit his profile - he's a nice man, very supportive, very gentle. Of course, my parents have their occasional fights but these are only verbal.'
Telecom gave Madam Amutha $30,000 when she resigned in 1989, and she told her psychiatrist that Mr Jeyabal had told her to 'act like a mental patient' as he needed money for the family.
Mr Yim then referred to the report of the private investigator, who had observed Madam Amutha's family for four months early this year.
He said the investigator never saw Madam Amutha going out with her husband, but she often went out with Mr Singh.
Once, she and Mr Singh were seen taking her husband's taxi to Serangoon Road. They had also taken short trips to Malaysia without her husband.
Miss Subashini said: 'My father works 17 to 18 hours a day. He doesn't go out with any of us. But he cares for my mother, and buys her lunch and dinner.'
She admitted her parents do not sleep together, but said this began after the alleged exorcism.
She said: 'My mother sleeps in the living room as she wants to be near the main door.'
The trial resumes next Wednesday (31 Oct). -
curiouser and curiouser..
wonder what the heck is going on with the idiots reporting this?
it could mess up the whole case... -
well, itz the new paper not the straits times..Originally posted by the Bear:curiouser and curiouser..
wonder what the heck is going on with the idiots reporting this?
it could mess up the whole case...
Informal versus formal..
-
Drama Drama....
The drama will continue in.... 12 1/2 hrs' time. Be afraid... be excited... be thrilled... -
Oct 31, 2007
Exorcism case: Trial adjourned as Mdm Valli weeps uncontrollably on stand
By Jermyn Chow
THE woman suing the Redemptorist Order of Novena Church and its priests and choir members - 51-year-old Madam Amutha Valli - immediately buried her face in her hands and wept uncontrollably, even before she could finish taking the oath in court on Wednesday afternoon.
It was her first appearance in the Supreme Court since the trial began a week ago - but it only lasted for less than an hour.
As her lawyer, Mr R.J Bajwa read out her 13-page affidavit to her, she took great difficulty to reply between her sobbing, wiping her tears with her handkerchief.
In between tears, Madam Valli said: 'Don't touch me...don't touch me', before requesting to take her medication.
Her daughter, 22-year-old Subashini Jeyabal, was seen in court shaking her head as her mother broke down.
Her inability to compose herself on the stand finally led Justice Lee to adjourn the trial to Thursday.
Dressed in a blue wind breaker and using a walking stick, the former national walker, who arrived accompanied by her maid, looked much heavier than in the pictures published in papers over the last week.
Madam Valli is suing for what she alleges was a botched exorcism that left her with post-traumatic stress disorder, seeking compensation from the Redemptorist Order that runs the Church, two priests, and six church-goers involved in the ritual.
Earlier in the morning, the courtroom was already packed with many curious members of the public hoping to catch a glimpse of Madam Valli.
With the seats in the public gallery all snapped up, court officials were even seen turning people away and advising them to try their luck again after lunch.
Daughter grilled during cross-examination
Earlier, Madam Valli's 22-year-old daughter, Ms Subashini Jeyabal, was grilled on the stand during her testimony.
During her cross-examination, Mr Denis Tan, lawyer for one of the defendants, quizzed her on the exact locations of a statue where she claimed her mother was praying before she fainted, and the room where the supposed exorcism took place.
Doubts were also raised when Mr Tan said: 'It takes a very strong and violent person to make such loud clanging sounds', referring to Ms Jeyabal's claim that her mother 'rattled' the church gates as she fainted on the night of August 10, 2004.
She was then taken to a room where she was forcefully confined and subjected to exorcism rites by two priests, Father Simon Tan and Father Jacob Ong.
Mr Tan's line of questioning had suggested that Ms Jeyabal was not telling the truth, and had raised fierce objections from Madam Valli's lawyer, Mr RJ Bajwa.
To this, Mr Tan said:' I am just testing her credibility.'
Mr Bajwa said Mr Tan was 'badgering the witness', but Justice Lee Seiu Kin maintained that he would allow the 'rigorous cross-examination' by both counsel as 'this trial is about finding the truth'.
The afternoon session continued with Mr Tan continuing his attack on Ms Jeyabal's s credibility, as he introduced a host of evidence ranging from floor plans and videos to photos that contradicted her claims.
But when Mr Tan explained that the position of the statue she had earlier pointed out was wrong, she argued that 'it was a scam on their (the priests) part' to make her out as a liar.
Courtroom commotion
Mr Bajwa also took issue with the public gallery, where there was plenty of laughter and noise coming from those present. Mr Bajwa said they were 'heckling the witness'.
This was taken very seriously by Justice Lee, who then warned members of the public not to make any noise, as this would intimidate the witness.
He added: 'If necessary, I will clear the gallery.'
The trial resumes on Thursday morning.
http://www.straitstimes.com/