Novena Church exorcism suit begins
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The afternoon session continued with Mr Tan continuing his attack on Ms Jeyabal's s credibility, as he introduced a host of evidence ranging from floor plans and videos to photos that contradicted her claims.
PUI! Skinny ugly girl lied thru her teeth. PUI PUI PUI!
But when Mr Tan explained that the position of the statue she had earlier pointed out was wrong, she argued that 'it was a scam on their (the priests) part' to make her out as a liar. -
sometimes i wonder if the judge has the right to cut things short and save the parties a stack of moolah?
clear as day she's either barking mad, or she's lousy at scamming... either way, she should cut her losses and run for the hills... -
Ya boy. If she loses and the Church decides to counter claim from her, she, her son, her daughter, her husband and her sworn brother will have to jump down from the roof of HDB flat together.Originally posted by the Bear:sometimes i wonder if the judge has the right to cut things short and save the parties a stack of moolah?
clear as day she's either barking mad, or she's lousy at scamming... either way, she should cut her losses and run for the hills... -
don't think the church would... still, i have a feeling this would turn ugly for her
Originally posted by Honeybunz:Ya boy. If she loses and the Church decides to counter claim from her, she, her son, her daughter, her husband and her sworn brother will have to jump down from the roof of HDB flat together. -
why?? at most she declare bankrupt lor.Originally posted by Honeybunz:Ya boy. If she loses and the Church decides to counter claim from her, she, her son, her daughter, her husband and her sworn brother will have to jump down from the roof of HDB flat together.
anywya i still don't get why is all this is being brandished about in the media. I know singapore has no privacy laws, but this is ridiculous.
anyway. i guess we now have more reason not to go see a psychiatrist given all that crap digged out from the psychiatrist
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court of law... in any country... whatever is said in the court is to be public knowledgeOriginally posted by hisoka:why?? at most she declare bankrupt lor.
anywya i still don't get why is all this is being brandished about in the media. I know singapore has no privacy laws, but this is ridiculous.
anyway. i guess we now have more reason not to go see a psychiatrist given all that crap digged out from the psychiatrist -
i believe there are closed courts too. or as i understand media muffling orders.Originally posted by the Bear:court of law... in any country... whatever is said in the court is to be public knowledge
anyway I don't get why the patient's psychiatrist notes should be up for scrutiny of the public when it should be confidential info. and nothing is being done to secure it.... -
well, here they have to... the whole premise of this case is about how barking mad this woman is
Originally posted by hisoka:i believe there are closed courts too. or as i understand media muffling orders.
anyway I don't get why the patient's psychiatrist notes should be up for scrutiny of the public when it should be confidential info. and nothing is being done to secure it.... -
Why shouldn't the public know this? If its hidden, people won't know the truth and will be misinformed. Since she is clearly insane, I don't really blame her. But I am disgusted with her children. How can they lie like this just to get money. And for what? For overseas vacations! They are so young - go and work for your money! So young and already possessed such an old ugly soul.Originally posted by hisoka:i believe there are closed courts too. or as i understand media muffling orders.
anyway I don't get why the patient's psychiatrist notes should be up for scrutiny of the public when it should be confidential info. and nothing is being done to secure it.... -
i'm not talking about her being insane being know. i'm talking about what she told her psychiatrist under confidentiality and the specifics of her illness, etc.Originally posted by adetet:Why shouldn't the public know this? If its hidden, people won't know the truth and will be misinformed. Since she is clearly insane, I don't really blame her. But I am disgusted with her children. How can they lie like this just to get money. And for what? For overseas vacations! They are so young - go and work for your money! So young and already possessed such an old ugly soul.
It's one thing to say that person is insane and another to say the person did blah blah blah and told her psychiatrist blah blah blah during treatment. -
Oh. But I still won't agree. It would be so easy to hide things under "confidentality" rules. If she was worried about such things coming to light, she should have thought twice and twice again before trying to cheat innocent people out of money. I think the mad dog and her family didn't imagine the Church would get such a great PI to dig up all this information on her.Originally posted by hisoka:i'm not talking about her being insane being know. i'm talking about what she told her psychiatrist under confidentiality and the specifics of her illness, etc.
It's one thing to say that person is insane and another to say the person did blah blah blah and told her psychiatrist blah blah blah during treatment. -
i'm only talking about not revealing to the public/media. not to keep it frot he court.Originally posted by adetet:Oh. But I still won't agree. It would be so easy to hide things under "confidentality" rules. If she was worried about such things coming to light, she should have thought twice and twice again before trying to cheat innocent people out of money. I think the mad dog and her family didn't imagine the Church would get such a great PI to dig up all this information on her.
oh well i guess to some extent true that she asked for it; but then if what she says is really true? -
The judge can throw out the case if they think it's rubbishOriginally posted by the Bear:sometimes i wonder if the judge has the right to cut things short and save the parties a stack of moolah?
clear as day she's either barking mad, or she's lousy at scamming... either way, she should cut her losses and run for the hills...
But this is too 'profilic' a case to just dismiss it
All I can say is that this is one dyfunctional family
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No, I don't believe it is true. Not charges against so many priests and parishoners. Only in Hollywood movies, a priest will instantly declare a person is possessed by the devil and start to exorcise her. In real life, it takes tiime and it is not a decision the priest will make by himself or make so lightly.Originally posted by hisoka:i'm only talking about not revealing to the public/media. not to keep it frot he court.
oh well i guess to some extent true that she asked for it; but then if what she says is really true?
besides, with her history of telling lies and her daughter to show the family tradition of being dishonest is proudly carried on, I say it is not true but a real con job to get a quick buck. -
Excorcism is not available as to when you want it . There is preparation and other stuff , and also they must have the right team to do it. Not just get a few helper can do it .Originally posted by hisoka:maybe its just a misunderstanding about whether its a prayer or an exorcism or some rituals carried too far?
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True. If it was real exorcism, they won't have helpers who are not trained and her family there. Its a good thing this family is just greedy and not smart. Whole world knows how despicable they are. They thought life is a hollywood movie is it???Originally posted by storywolf:Excorcism is not available as to when you want it . There is preparation and other stuff , and also they must have the right team to do it. Not just get a few helper can do it .
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Well it is all well scripted with all the right element for movie - Mad woman - believe in adrian lim - drink blood, pretend to be mad to get money from employer telecom . Then suddenly one day walking decide to run into church ..... !!! Come on, that family is talented man, sure can write movie script .Originally posted by adetet:True. If it was real exorcism, they won't have helpers who are not trained and her family there. Its a good thing this family is just greedy and not smart. Whole world knows how despicable they are. They thought life is a hollywood movie is it???
Anyway ... like people say .. want to be funny also do not do it to place of worship or house of god ! They greedy and stupid till nuts ! See what happen to them next time !!! God will punish them !!! Lose court case - they no money to pay lawyer ! ... then prove to be cheaters - telecom come sue them back for everything !
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Reporters are present in the court. They will write and report on what they see and hear. That's their profession. That's how things get to the public.Originally posted by hisoka:i'm only talking about not revealing to the public/media. not to keep it frot he court.
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Madam Valli points out man who 'strangled' her
BESIDES taking Madam Amutha Valli Krishnan through her affidavit in court on Thursday, her lawyer, Mr R.S Bajwa, also asked her to identify the defendants she had accused of subjecting her, against her will, to an exorcism and abusing her.
Looking visibly distressed, she shouted and wailed as she pointed her fingers at the two priests, Father Simon Tan and Father Jacob Ong.
She also screamed when she pointed to another defendant, Mr Nasrom Abdullah: 'The botak man strangled me.'
The three men did not react to her action.
Continuing her outburst against them, Madam Valli yelled: 'You tell them, tell them how you strangled me...and you call yourself a church.'
The other defendants were not present in court. - Jermyn Chow -
Nov 1, 2007
Exorcism hearing adjourned to Nov 14
By Jermyn Chow
THE exorcism suit has been adjourned to Nov 14 after the woman at the centre of the case said she could not remember anything about her personal and family background, and her medical history.
Justice Lee Seiu Kin summoned lawyers for both sides into his chambers after defence lawyer Tito Isaac drew a blank to almost every question he put to Madam Amutha Valli, 51, during cross-examination in the afternoon.
When asked about her medical history, Madam Valli insisted that she had never been hospitalised or admitted to National University Hospital, contrary to what the medical records tendered in court had stated.
'I was very fit... I was representing Singapore. I had no sickness,' said the ex-national walker who is seeking compensation from the Redemptorist Order of Catholic priests who run the Novena Church in Thomson Road, two priests and several church-goers for what she claims was forced exorcism on her, which left her unable to work.
She could not recall having worked as a morse code operator in Singapore Telecoms. Neither could she tell if she was the third child in a family of eight, although she had earlier confirmed those details when her lawyer, Mr R.S. Bajwa took her through her entire affidavit.
To almost every question Mr Isaac asked about herself, she responded by saying she could not remember anything.
For instance, when asked about her father, she started wailing and said: 'I have no father now. He is dead. If he knew that I came to court, he will be very sad.'
After an hour of futile grilling, Justice Lee asked the lawyers to see him in chambers.
When they emerged shortly after, Justice Lee said he had adjourned the suit to Nov 14 - after only four days of hearing .
At Thursday morning hearing, Madam Valli's maid sat next to her in the witness box, and was seen calming her when she could not control her emotions.
She sobbed and bawled as her lawyer took her through various parts of her affidavit - in a repeat of Wednesday when she took the stand. Her maid also cried with her.
When Mr Bajwa recounted the scene in the room where the plaintiff had claimed she was pinnned down by two men while the two priests were carrying out the alleged exorcism rites, Madam Valli burst out: 'Don't strangle me, don't strangle me. Leave me alone.'
She also demonstrated to Justice Lee how she was held down to the floor by the two men.
She started bawling and hitting her forehead when Mr Bajwa read out her statement about Father Simon Tan's insistence in wanting to hear her urinate when she was in the toilet.
Mid-way through reading her affidavit, Mr Bajwa had to remind her to compose herself as she repeatedly broke down and buried her face in her hands.
Earlier on Thursday morning, the lawyers for both sides and the two priests - Father Simon and Father Jacob Ong - met behind closed-door chambers for a discussion before hearing resumed,
When hearing began, Senior Counsel Jimmy Yim, who is acting for Father Jacob, applied to the court to allow psychiatrist Dr Dr Ken Ung Eng Khean, of Adam Road Medical Centre, to sit in as an observer during Madam Valli's testimony.
Opposing the request, the plaintiff's lawyer, Mr Bajwa said Dr Ung will be partial when he takes the stand.
Justice Lee disallowed Mr Yim's application and Dr Ung had to leave the courtroom.
Before proceeding to cross-examine Madam Valli, Mr Isaac, who is acting for the Redemptorist Order and Father Simon, sought to put her at ease.
'I am not going to hurt you. This is a temple of justice. There's nothing to worry about,' he assured her.
Asked to give the dates of birth of her two children, son Jairajkumar Jayabal, 28, and daughter Subashini Jeyabal, 22, Madam Valli kept stating Aug 10, 2004 - the date of the alleged forced exorcism on her in Novena Church.
Earlier, before Madam Valli took the stand, her daughter, Ms Subashini Jeyabel was overheard telling her mother to 'be calm' and 'not to look at anyone in the courtroom besides the lawyer'.
She and her family arrived in court at about 9.15am, avoiding the media glare outside.
About 70 people packed the public gallery of Court 4D on Thursday morning, some of them turning up as early as 7.30a.m.
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i wonder what will happen next
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why de woman liddis... wna go against a place of worship. i feel veri bad le. cannt do this kinds of thing anyhow wan. wat goes round comes round.
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next the defendants (maybe not the Church) will counter sue her.Originally posted by the Bear:i wonder what will happen next
maybe the court will throw her in prison for lying under oath?
Then Singtel will counter claim from her $30,000 plus years of bank interests.
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it'll be funny if the courts threw her in IMH indefinitely
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Ya, karma! She should not just get off with the judge dismissing the case.Originally posted by Honeybunz:next the defendants (maybe not the Church) will counter sue her.
Then Singtel will counter claim from her $30,000 plus years of bank interests.
oh bi good!
My colleague who is Catholic just told me that this woman's mistake is that she thinks Catholics worship Mary. She said they honour Mary but don't worship her. So a statue of Mary would never be placed at the altar.
Why the judge has to keep prolonging the case? When the woman went into wayang mode, he adjourned the case to the next day; when her lying daughter drama like her mother, he gave her time to compose herself and asked the opposing lawyer to apologise to her (solid, the lawyer refused to do so!) and now the case adjourned till the 14th? Your Honour, don't waste our tax dollars on this lying scum family. They should all be locked in the sewer where they belong.