Novena Church exorcism suit begins
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It's because the plaintiff's story is unbelievable. Plus, she has history of conning her ex-employer for compensation by pretending to be mad. This was attested by the medical note from one of the shrink that she consulted and spoke to before. She was even paid $30,000 compensation when she left the job.Originally posted by newcomer:haha, i actually spent more than an hour this morning reading 5 pages of mumbo jumbos. nvm that.
am i the only person wondering how come the plaintiff is being examined more rigoulously than the defendants?
This is a good enough reason for the judge and defendants to believe that she is trying the same stunt again. But this time is for a much bigger amount. She and whoever plotted this with her probably did not expect this time to be so difficult as compared to 20-30 yrs ago when Singtel (it was then known as Telecom) paid her the compensation. -
She nothing better to do meh?
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I think its only now when its so damm obvious that the whole bleedy family and lover are lying. At the start, the way the press, esp. the New Paper ran the articles, like in sympathy for the mad dog. I read one or two articles where the writer seemed happy that the slutty lying daughter replied so aggresively etc and when the mad dog said she don't like lawyers etc.Originally posted by newcomer:yea, lol.
it seems the media are casting a shadow of doubt on the plaintiff. no matter, sg courts don't have juries anyways
Now its so obvious each time they open their bleedy mouths that they are lying, the press is not so dumb to write so sympathetically for their cheating cause.
What upsets me is the report that the bleedy son is training to be a teacher? It is still an honourable profession. I would not want him to teach and mold the minds of anyone. What can he teach - scamming 101?!
and newcomer, of course, the plantiff is being scrutnised very carefully. Since she came forward with the accusation, it has to be proven that she is in the first place credible.
BTW is there a mistake in yesterday's newspaper article where the lover's age is stated as 38? He looks like he's in his 50s. Ah, maybe the scam is to raise funds for his plastic surgery! -
Not nothing better to do, but no $ to do! So need to create a scam hoping to get enough $ for herself, her lover and disgusting children (but in a way can't blame them, if grow up with mad dog for mother, it would be hard to have scruples and conscience!)Originally posted by Baby_Nutz:She nothing better to do meh? -
Yesterday, Amutha Valli's daughter got chased out of the courtroom by the judge, cuz she made noisy unnecessarily. hahahhaha I wonder whether anybody applauded.
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Sure have de coz so mnay ppl dislike them...
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Husband of woman in exorcism suit asked doctor to change records
By Julia Ng, Channel NewsAsia | Posted: 22 November 2007 2218 hrs
SINGAPORE: Tempers flared on Thursday during cross examination of the husband of Amutha Valli – the woman who is suing the Novena Church for alleged forced exorcism.
57-year-old Suppiah Jeyabal, a taxi driver, said he had only seen his wife in a trance once. But he was uncomfortable with it as he thought it was a result of being over-zealous in Hinduism.
He said he never allowed Amutha to go into trances in front of him or their children, and he sought medical attention to help her suppress those acts.
According to records, Amutha told National University Hospital (NUH) psychiatrists that she had started performing trances at Hindu temples from the age of 12.
She had even asked doctors to scold her so that she could invoke a trance for them to observe.
Doctors said she could control her trances.
Between 1986 and 1989, Mr Suppiah admitted Amutha to NUH four times and took her there for outpatient visits on 12 occasions, but he maintained doctors never spoke to him about the trances.
Mr Suppiah got angry when defence lawyer Tito Isaac asked why he had called Dr Jimmy Lim from the Institute of Mental Health (IMH) to amend Amutha's records in October 2006 to say that she was never treated in NUH for mental illness.
Amutha's husband argued that he only admitted his wife for "trance and only trance", and not what NUH doctors called Bipolar Syndrome.
He also insisted that NUH doctors did not explain his wife's condition to him and that Amutha's trances could be due to "mind-altering" medications that NUH doctors were trying out on her.
Mr Suppiah said doctors told him – when they discharged his wife in 1989 – to "be tough on her, don't give in to her, and a change of religion may help".
He said "a group of Amutha's Christian friends then baptised her" and her trance condition improved.
When Mr Isaac asked for her baptism certificate, Mr Suppiah said he has not seen it. Neither could he name any of her Christian friends or the place where she was baptised.
Based on the records, Mr Suppiah was the one who admitted Amutha to IMH for alcohol intoxication in May 1990.
Mr Suppiah, whose cross examination continues on Friday, is accused by defence lawyers for lying that he did not know about his wife's addiction to (medical) drugs and alcohol, and her frequent trances.
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Originally posted by Honeybunz:
i don't know the catholic stand on this, but i'm not sure that you can suka suka baptise someone. cuz for my church baptism comes after the person receives salvation and forsaking his old ways, then have to go through baptism classes and the leaders will monitor to see if the person is ready for baptism etc.
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Husband of woman in exorcism suit asked doctor to change records
By Julia Ng, Channel NewsAsia | Posted: 22 November 2007 2218 hrs
SINGAPORE: Tempers flared on Thursday during cross examination of the husband of Amutha Valli – the woman who is suing the Novena Church for alleged forced exorcism.
57-year-old Suppiah Jeyabal, a taxi driver, said he had only seen his wife in a trance once. But he was uncomfortable with it as he thought it was a result of being over-zealous in Hinduism.
He said he never allowed Amutha to go into trances in front of him or their children, and he sought medical attention to help her suppress those acts.
According to records, Amutha told National University Hospital (NUH) psychiatrists that she had started performing trances at Hindu temples from the age of 12.
She had even asked doctors to scold her so that she could invoke a trance for them to observe.
Doctors said she could control her trances.
Between 1986 and 1989, Mr Suppiah admitted Amutha to NUH four times and took her there for outpatient visits on 12 occasions, but he maintained doctors never spoke to him about the trances.
Mr Suppiah got angry when defence lawyer Tito Isaac asked why he had called Dr Jimmy Lim from the Institute of Mental Health (IMH) to amend Amutha's records in October 2006 to say that she was never treated in NUH for mental illness.
Amutha's husband argued that he only admitted his wife for "trance and only trance", and not what NUH doctors called Bipolar Syndrome.
He also insisted that NUH doctors did not explain his wife's condition to him and that Amutha's trances could be due to "mind-altering" medications that NUH doctors were trying out on her.
Mr Suppiah said doctors told him – when they discharged his wife in 1989 – to "be tough on her, don't give in to her, and a change of religion may help".
He said "a group of Amutha's Christian friends then baptised her" and her trance condition improved.
When Mr Isaac asked for her baptism certificate, Mr Suppiah said he has not seen it. Neither could he name any of her Christian friends or the place where she was baptised.
Based on the records, Mr Suppiah was the one who admitted Amutha to IMH for alcohol intoxication in May 1990.
Mr Suppiah, whose cross examination continues on Friday, is accused by defence lawyers for lying that he did not know about his wife's addiction to (medical) drugs and alcohol, and her frequent trances.
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there is a whole year of classes in the RCIA...
i think the plaintiff is as misinformed and ill-prepared as the malaysian Pedra Blanca lawyersOriginally posted by dumbdumb!:i don't know the catholic stand on this, but i'm not sure that you can suka suka baptise someone. cuz for my church baptism comes after the person receives salvation and forsaking his old ways, then have to go through baptism classes and the leaders will monitor to see if the person is ready for baptism etc. -
Catholic will Not suka suka baptise ppl lah...Originally posted by dumbdumb!:i don't know the catholic stand on this, but i'm not sure that you can suka suka baptise someone. cuz for my church baptism comes after the person receives salvation and forsaking his old ways, then have to go through baptism classes and the leaders will monitor to see if the person is ready for baptism etc.
Only to some Situation for example the person is dying and he / she wanted to be catholic no time to go through the normal situation therefore there must be at lease 2 waitness there then no choice to baptise the person before he / she pass away and report it to the parish priest about this...
Not all who want be catholic can use this for baptism...
Normal situation is whereby
Infant baptism (Parents are Catholic)
Youth Baptism Must Go through the RCIY
Adult Baptism Must Go Through the RCIA
I think her friends baptise her because they think the situation is critical... If not they might lost her or something... -
plaintiff is erm which one ahOriginally posted by the Bear:there is a whole year of classes in the RCIA...
i think the plaintiff is as misinformed and ill-prepared as the malaysian Pedra Blanca lawyers -
It's similar for us, non-Christian adults have to go through the Rite Of Christian Initiation first before baptism. Christians from other denominations do not need to be baptised again.Originally posted by dumbdumb!:i don't know the catholic stand on this, but i'm not sure that you can suka suka baptise someone. cuz for my church baptism comes after the person receives salvation and forsaking his old ways, then have to go through baptism classes and the leaders will monitor to see if the person is ready for baptism etc. -
Plaintiff ~~ A person who brings an action in a court of lawOriginally posted by dumbdumb!:plaintiff is erm which one ah
Plaintiff... Is the Siao Cha Bo lor... -
plaintiff is the one 'complaining'
the defendent is the one who is... uhh... defending himself against the complainant or plaintiff
Originally posted by dumbdumb!:plaintiff is erm which one ah -
Her children claim they never saw her in a trance, the husband said she got into a trance in his and children's presence. ha, who is lying? Could it possibly be all of them
The son said he is not Catholic so don't know about exorcism. I am not Hindu but how come I know about kadavi, fire walking, etc! He calls the woman his mother yet every question about her, he would either reply he doesn't know or to ask his parents! So when he belongs, he doesn't know; when he doesn't belong, he also don't know. Like that want to be a teacher?! ha.
Claim all they want about not knowing or not watching hollywood exorcism movies but the claim of friends who just baptised her, is also like a Hollywood drama. Think suka suka go and be baptised. There are stages in the process of baptism. Just like it takes time to declare that a person is possessed by the devil!
Every day they become more and more despicable. Shouldn't they just drop the case as daily more and more of their s.h.i.t is revealed. Are they so desperate for money that they would want everybody to know how despicable they are? Do they despise themselves so much that they do not at least want to be able to hold themselves up with pride and dignity? -
yah lor... my friend's RCIA took more than 1yr I think..Originally posted by the Bear:there is a whole year of classes in the RCIA...
i think the plaintiff is as misinformed and ill-prepared as the malaysian Pedra Blanca lawyers
for my case, I accepted Christ when I just started my NS, my Baptism was after I finished NS (a full 2.5yrs)
thats why I was like... like this also can meh... by the way, I had always thought baptism is only done by pastor (for protestants) or priest (catholic), don;t think any lay person can anyhow conduct baptism, especially on one tha tnot sure had accepted Christ as Lord. -
you sure he said that he is not catholic? if its so, why does he want to go to Novena church to pray?Originally posted by adetet:Her children claim they never saw her in a trance, the husband said she got into a trance in his and children's presence. ha, who is lying? Could it possibly be all of them
The son said he is not Catholic so don't know about exorcism. I am not Hindu but how come I know about kadavi, fire walking, etc! He calls the woman his mother yet every question about her, he would either reply he doesn't know or to ask his parents! So when he belongs, he doesn't know; when he doesn't belong, he also don't know. Like that want to be a teacher?! ha.
Claim all they want about not knowing or not watching hollywood exorcism movies but the claim of friends who just baptised her, is also like a Hollywood drama. Think suka suka go and be baptised. There are stages in the process of baptism. Just like it takes time to declare that a person is possessed by the devil!
Every day they become more and more despicable. Shouldn't they just drop the case as daily more and more of their s.h.i.t is revealed. Are they so desperate for money that they would want everybody to know how despicable they are? Do they despise themselves so much that they do not at least want to be able to hold themselves up with pride and dignity?
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He said he isn't, but subscribes to the saying that 'all roads lead to Rome'.Originally posted by vince69:you sure he said that he is not catholic? if its so, why does he want to go to Novena church to pray? -
'Forced exorcism' case adjourned till next year
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Any reason for the adjournment? Should either be dropped or get it over and done with.
Personally, I am eager to hear the testimony of the doctor who happily keep admitting her and giving her m.c. to not attend court! I heard some rumours about the doctor. I will not post it here since it is at present just a rumour and I am hoping it would be confirmed in court. If it turns out to be true and proven in court, the mad dog's last hope will crumble faster than her family's loose morals! -
What's the rumour? share share leh! Then come April we can speculate whether true or not.Originally posted by adetet:Any reason for the adjournment? Should either be dropped or get it over and done with.
Personally, I am eager to hear the testimony of the doctor who happily keep admitting her and giving her m.c. to not attend court! I heard some rumours about the doctor. I will not post it here since it is at present just a rumour and I am hoping it would be confirmed in court. If it turns out to be true and proven in court, the mad dog's last hope will crumble faster than her family's loose morals!
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Honeybunz.... you're so nottie but that's why I like youOriginally posted by Honeybunz:What's the rumour? share share leh! Then come April we can speculate whether true or not.
No lah, since rumour better not post it here. But it has to do with a personal reason which made the doctor so eager to believe the mad dog and agree to testify in her defense. I heard it actually from two friends, both working in the hospital, one as a nurse and the other doing admin work. However, I heard that the doctor is now not so cocky and confident since the mad dog's medical history has been exposed. Doubtless the doctor was not aware that mad dog has been running from doctor to doctor. Hence my curiosity to see whether the doctor still wants to testify for mad dog. After all, kena played by mad dog is one thing. Being stubbornly blind and sticking to your diagnosis based on her lies is another thing. -
Originally posted by adetet:Honeybunz.... you're so nottie but that's why I like you
No lah, since rumour better not post it here. But it has to do with a personal reason which made the doctor so eager to believe the mad dog and agree to testify in her defense. I heard it actually from two friends, both working in the hospital, one as a nurse and the other doing admin work. However, I heard that the doctor is now not so c.o.c.k.y. (had to edit to put in the full=stops. So overzealous editing - without the full stop the word cannot be used? isn't it in the dictionary?!!!) and confident since the mad dog's medical history has been exposed. Doubtless the doctor was not aware that mad dog has been running from doctor to doctor. Hence my curiosity to see whether the doctor still wants to testify for mad dog. After all, kena played by mad dog is one thing. Being stubbornly blind and sticking to your diagnosis based on her lies is another thing. -
I have been in the court a few times and observe the case from in and outside the court. There is one thing I really wonder about this case.
There is a direct link to the strong statement by Dr Angelina Chan who claim her current state of mind is caused DIRECTLY by the unproven alledged "Force excorcism"
As long as Angelina Chan or Amutha whom she keep extending her M.C. for is not put on the stand to clarify issues, diagnosis....the case will never move on.
Its really a waste of court time.Originally posted by adetet: -
I agree it is a waste of the court's time and taxpayers money. Mad dog should have to incur some kind of penalty as otherwise might encourage other con artists like her to sue people left, right and centre.
I think the defense has already poked gaping holes in the mad dog's medical records. How many doctors has she seen and many different kinds of medication! Not to mention mad dog's husband asking the doctor to change the medical records, etc. They did prove that she could go into a trance - before her teens and she can control her trance!
As the case stands, it is one doctor's diagnosis against another. I think the defendants lawyers said they will call one of the doctors whom the mad dog has seen to testisy her condition is not caused directly by the alleged forced exorcism (and since she could do this even before her teens, it goes without saying!). With the amount of lies told by mad dog and her family, her theatretics in court, her twist-and-turn to the doctors, all of us wait eagerly to hear Doctor Chan's sworn statement in April!