I don't mean to be provocative but I'm wondering what scriptures did the church authorities of the time base their belief that our planet was the center of the universe?
That the the universe revolve around our planet. Is there the scriptures to support this belief? I don't mean assumption but clear cut scripture that tells that the universe revolve around our planet.
Or did they base their belief merely on tradition and church assumption which became a doctrine?
lol... i never knew
verse?
human's stupidity totally forgivable
In Joshua 10:12-13
On the day that the Lord gave the men of Israel victory over the Amorites, Joshua spoke to the Lord. In the presence of the Israelites he said,
"Sun, stand still over Gibeor;
moon, stop over Aijalon Valley."
-blah blah blah-
The sun stood still in the middle of the sky and did not go down for a whole day.
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1 Chronicles 16:30
tremble before him, all earth; yea, the world stands firm, never to be moved.
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And many other stuff like this, which made them think that the Earth was flat, immovable, with a ball of fire flying across the sky.
Originally posted by ThunderFbolt:In Joshua 10:12-13
On the day that the Lord gave the men of Israel victory over the Amorites, Joshua spoke to the Lord. In the presence of the Israelites he said,
"Sun, stand still over Gibeor;
moon, stop over Aijalon Valley."
-blah blah blah-
The sun stood still in the middle of the sky and did not go down for a whole day.
------
1 Chronicles 16:30
tremble before him, all earth; yea, the world stands firm, never to be moved.-------
And many other stuff like this, which made them think that the Earth was flat, immovable, with a ball of fire flying across the sky.
From my contemporary English bible(which I admit to hate, I prefer my Indonesian bible)
1 Chronicles 16:30 reads:
Everyone on earth, now tremble!" The world stands firm, never to be shaken.
It's just David's praise to God. Because God holds the power of this world. It never meant a literal moving or a literal shaking. It was meant that God made the world safe imo.
while the passage from Joshua was meant to be a miracle. It was not meant and no way could be intrepreted to say that our world was the center of the universe.
Both passages never clearly state that our world is the center of the universe. Never ever. Anyone including layman could know this. There is simply not enough information to come to the conclusion that the church did in the past.
I'm beginning to think that the verses in the bible were abused to fit certain man made doctrine of the time. That our world was the center of the universe.
Anyone?
Can't deny it... Even some Christians believe that some part of the bible was wrong...
"I don't mean to be provocative but I'm wondering what scriptures did the church authorities of the time base their belief that our planet was the center of the universe?
Why do you attribute that to the Christians?
Originally posted by Miracles&Prophecies:
From my contemporary English bible(which I admit to hate, I prefer my Indonesian bible)
1 Chronicles 16:30 reads:
Everyone on earth, now tremble!" The world stands firm, never to be shaken.
It's just David's praise to God. Because God holds the power of this world. It never meant a literal moving or a literal shaking. It was meant that God made the world safe imo.
while the passage from Joshua was meant to be a miracle. It was not meant and no way could be intrepreted to say that our world was the center of the universe.
Both passages never clearly state that our world is the center of the universe. Never ever. Anyone including layman could know this. There is simply not enough information to come to the conclusion that the church did in the past.
I'm beginning to think that the verses in the bible were abused to fit certain man made doctrine of the time. That our world was the center of the universe.
Anyone?
While I agree with you that these were not meant to be interpreted that the universe was geocentric, a collection of such verses in the Bible perhaps did lead to some of the religious scholars to support a geocentric universe, not to mention how it played to the "arrogance" of mankind.
hmm. i'd like to point out smth. when God refers to earth, He always calls it earth.
but when He talks about the world, He talks about the things that are on earth.. the water, seas, sky, mountains.. whatever..
because.. i've really never seen a verse which actually says that the sun revolves around the earth.
In Joshua's case, the sun stood still, was spoken from Joshua's point of view.. I kinda see it like.. if a kid saw me using magnifying glass to set a match ablaze, he might see the match on fire, but I would know that its because of the magnifying glass.
Joshua only saw the sun stood still, but he may not know that God was the one who did it. How? I don't know either, maybe he made the earth stood still, or something.
just a thought.
the world was created in 6 days.
there was a flood. and all the animals in the world just happen to live in the vicinity of Noah. All the animals just live in harmony on the ark, and there was enough food for all of them for 40 days. there are no fresh water fishes. the flood covered the whole earth for 40 days.
stop reading so deep into the bible. know instead, the lessons it is trying to teach.
Originally posted by MyNameisNas:Can't deny it... Even some Christians believe that some part of the bible was wrong...
Really? such as what part?
Joshua 10 (Douay Rheims):
12. Then Josue spoke to the Lord, in the day that he delivered the Amorrhite in the sight of the children of Israel, and he said before them: Move not, O sun, toward Gabaon, nor thou, O moon, toward the valley of Ajalon.
13. And the sun and the moon stood still, till the people revenged themselves of their enemies. Is not this written in the book of the just? So the sun stood still in the midst of heaven, and hasted not to go down the space of one day.
14. There was not before, nor after, so long a day, the Lord obeying the voice of a man, and fighting for Israel.
Here is an excerpt from condemnation of Paul V :
"And because it has also come to attention of the aforementioned Sacred Congregation that the Pythagorean doctrine concerning the mobility of the earth and the immobility of the sun, which Nicholas Copernicus, De revolutionibus orbium coelestium . . . taught, and which is false and altogether incompatible with divine Scripture, is now spread abroad and accepted by many . . .; therefore in order that an opinion ruinous to Catholic truth not creep further in this manner, the Sacred Congregation decrees that the said Nicholas Copernicus . . . be suspended until corrected; and that all other books similarly teaching the same thing be prohibited: as accordingly it prohibits, damns, and suspends them all by the present Decree. "
March 5, 1616, Declaration of the Congregation of the Index of Forbidden Books of the Inquisition of the Roman Catholic Church.
NOTE - GEOCENTRISM is not a dogma of the Church.
u know. i never understand the dogmas.. i read it, but.. really chim. really make nothing of it. =/
And I don't understand why that Joshua scripture could be used as a basis for believing that our world was the center of the universe. Too far off.