Originally posted by maggot:
Books after 6th Zen master hui neng are FAKES

A lot of so-called Zen masters after they have cremated their bodies found no relics left...so they are fakes
My Master Chin Kung said, got relics also does not mean one is out of samsara, it would just mean that one is
out of the three evil realms. He had encounter a lady with no Buddhism study, but she was a moral person who likes to do good deeds, she also produce relics or shariras. Noted that those who rebirth in heavens will also produce relics.

but i do agree that after Master Hui Neng, people who practice Ch'an still undergo rebirth. no relics also mean, they are still within samsara. From the Record Books of Sages of Pureland Rebirth, most Pureland Masters recalled that they used to be Ch'an Masters in their previous lifes.
True liberation would need real levels of samathi and prajna or stage of 'Bu er fa meng'.
Ch'an aimed to reached Ming Xin Jian Xing or Da Ce Da Wu.
Jiao xia aimed to reached Da kai Yuan Jie.
Mi aimed to reached San Mi Xiang Ying(?)
Pureland aimed to reached Yi Xin Bu Ran.
All are the same.

ps: some bodhisattvas teach in heavenly realm, only if one is not indulge by the pleasure in heavens.
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