What's non-dualism?
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MKY said non-dualism is inconceivability. ItÂ’s An-Hsiang (peace and composure).
From my understanding, non-dualism is the state of our true mind. To our true mind, non-dualism is not different with dualism. Why? ItÂ’s just because our true mind wonÂ’t be affected by discrimination. When we smell flowers, we know itÂ’s fragrant. When we smell shit, we know it stinks. Our true mind knows the difference crystal clear, but it just wonÂ’t be affected by its judgments. Non-dualism simply means not to be affected by duality and stays in eternal peace and now. Comments please. -
Nicely saidOriginally posted by namelessness:MYK said non-dualism is inconceivability. ItÂ’s An-Hsiang (peace and composure).
From my understanding, non-dualism is the state of our true mind. To our true mind, non-dualism is not different with dualism. Why? ItÂ’s just because our true mind wonÂ’t be affected by discrimination. When we smell flowers, we know itÂ’s fragrant. When we smell shit, we know it stinks. Our true mind knows the difference crystal clear, but it just wonÂ’t be affected by its judgments. Non-dualism simply means not to be affected by duality and stays in eternal peace and now. Comments please.
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Hi Namelessness,Originally posted by namelessness:MKY said non-dualism is inconceivability. ItÂ’s An-Hsiang (peace and composure).
From my understanding, non-dualism is the state of our true mind. To our true mind, non-dualism is not different with dualism. Why? ItÂ’s just because our true mind wonÂ’t be affected by discrimination. When we smell flowers, we know itÂ’s fragrant. When we smell shit, we know it stinks. Our true mind knows the difference crystal clear, but it just wonÂ’t be affected by its judgments. Non-dualism simply means not to be affected by duality and stays in eternal peace and now. Comments please.
What you wrote is similar to my understanding
Also, I have notice that during these times, the peace is mixed with love. .. but this love is unconditional...It seems peace and love is the natural state when we do not judge, or reject the thoughts in comings into the mind. -
Hi longchen,Originally posted by longchen:Hi Namelessness,
What you wrote is similar to my understanding
Also, I have notice that during these times, the peace is mixed with love. .. but this love is unconditional...It seems peace and love is the natural state when we do not judge, or reject the thoughts in comings into the mind.
Congrats. I think you have met my masterÂ’s high standard for enlightenment. Love or great compassion is an indispensable element to it. As a result of our natural compassion and love, one would feel that everything is so beautiful, on would tolerate others with great capacity, one would also feel the inner aspiration to help others. ThatÂ’s the spirit of Mahayana Buddhism. Although you are not a Buddhist, but you certainly got the spirit already. But from my experience, itÂ’s not easy to maintain it for good because we are not used to it yet. So what we need to do is to trust it, get used to it, like it, keep it and sweep away all distractions.
My best. -
Hi Namelessness,Originally posted by namelessness:Hi longchen,
Congrats. I think you have met my masterÂ’s high standard for enlightenment. Love or great compassion is an indispensable element to it. As a result of our natural compassion and love, one would feel that everything is so beautiful, on would tolerate others with great capacity, one would also feel the inner aspiration to help others. ThatÂ’s the spirit of Mahayana Buddhism. Although you are not a Buddhist, but you certainly got the spirit already. But from my experience, itÂ’s not easy to maintain it for good because we are not used to it yet. So what we need to do is to trust it, get used to it, like it, keep it and sweep away all distractions.
My best.
Thanks. And i totally agree with you that it is not easy to maintain that state.
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It's not my wish to pour cold water... but the enlightenment business is not that easy. The trappings just get more and more subtle as one proceeds along.Originally posted by longchen:Hi Namelessness,
Thanks. And i totally agree with you that it is not easy to maintain that state.
All the best to you also
You may have experienced a state of deep bliss/peace & unconditional love. That's not the "high enlightenment state" that namelessness proclaimed. Why? Because you still have the "hope" to maintain that state, and the "fear" of not being able to maintain the state. How is that non-duality?
Is it Longchen Rabjam or Jigme Lingpa who said this? (I can't remember the exact words, let me just quote from my memory...)
"Understanding is like a patch on the clothes, it will fall off in a while. Experience is like a mist, instantaneously it is gone."
In the enlightened state of non-dualism, there is nothing to abide by and nothing to abandon, thus there is no need to maintain any state.
In fact, as Dzongsar Khyentse Rinpoche said in his teaching, that Buddhists need to get used to the idea that "enlightenment is nothing special".
If you find in your meditation/practice that you attained "something special", then chances are that's your mind's own projections.
However, it is very meritorious for you to have experienced meditational states as such. I do not know what your path is like, though I believe if you meet the right masters you would be able to proceed much further.
My prayers to you. All the best. -
Yes, of course.Originally posted by _wanderer_:It's not my wish to pour cold water... but the enlightenment business is not that easy. The trappings just get more and more subtle as one proceeds along.
You may have experienced a state of deep bliss/peace & unconditional love. That's not the "high enlightenment state" that namelessness proclaimed. Why? Because you still have the "hope" to maintain that state, and the "fear" of not being able to maintain the state. How is that non-duality?
Is it Longchen Rabjam or Jigme Lingpa who said this? (I can't remember the exact words, let me just quote from my memory...)
"Understanding is like a patch on the clothes, it will fall off in a while. Experience is like a mist, instantaneously it is gone."
In the enlightened state of non-dualism, there is nothing to abide by and nothing to abandon, thus there is no need to maintain any state.
In fact, as Dzongsar Khyentse Rinpoche said in his teaching, that Buddhists need to get used to the idea that "enlightenment is nothing special".
If you find in your meditation/practice that you attained "something special", then chances are that's your mind's own projections.
However, it is very meritorious for you to have experienced meditational states as such. I do not know what your path is like, though I believe if you meet the right masters you would be able to proceed much further.
My prayers to you. All the best.
I think the issue here is that we use the word enlightenment to mean too many things. We should make distinction between awakening, satori and full enlightenment.
Certainly the whole process is deceptively subtle... and i do not wish to engage in too much conceptual intellectualisation... which is not helpful and can even impede the progress. -
Hi UtpalaOriginally posted by _wanderer_:It's not my wish to pour cold water... but the enlightenment business is not that easy. The trappings just get more and more subtle as one proceeds along.
You may have experienced a state of deep bliss/peace & unconditional love. That's not the "high enlightenment state" that namelessness proclaimed. Why? Because you still have the "hope" to maintain that state, and the "fear" of not being able to maintain the state. How is that non-duality?
Is it Longchen Rabjam or Jigme Lingpa who said this? (I can't remember the exact words, let me just quote from my memory...)
"Understanding is like a patch on the clothes, it will fall off in a while. Experience is like a mist, instantaneously it is gone."
In the enlightened state of non-dualism, there is nothing to abide by and nothing to abandon, thus there is no need to maintain any state.
In fact, as Dzongsar Khyentse Rinpoche said in his teaching, that Buddhists need to get used to the idea that "enlightenment is nothing special".
If you find in your meditation/practice that you attained "something special", then chances are that's your mind's own projections.
However, it is very meritorious for you to have experienced meditational states as such. I do not know what your path is like, though I believe if you meet the right masters you would be able to proceed much further.
My prayers to you. All the best. Didn't know its you -
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Indeed.Originally posted by longchen:Certainly the whole process is deceptively subtle... and i do not wish to engage in too much conceptual intellectualisation... which is not helpful and can even impede the progress.
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No disrespect to all who chooses to walk with Buddha ...Originally posted by longchen:Yes, of course.
I think the issue here is that we use the word enlightenment to mean too many things. We should make distinction between awakening, satori and full enlightenment.
Certainly the whole process is deceptively subtle... and i do not wish to engage in too much conceptual intellectualisation... which is not helpful and can even impede the progress.
If it's "nothing special", then it can mean anything! Why make the distinction between awakening, satori and full enlightenment?
What is full enlightenment? Is there such a thing as full? Is there unfull?
No ...
Is this your understanding?
If it is so, I would recommend you hit yourself on the head! And tell me what you felt! -
AgreedOriginally posted by longchen:Yes, of course.
I think the issue here is that we use the word enlightenment to mean too many things. We should make distinction between awakening, satori and full enlightenment.
Certainly the whole process is deceptively subtle... and i do not wish to engage in too much conceptual intellectualisation... which is not helpful and can even impede the progress.
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Eye in the Sky,Originally posted by Eye in the Sky:No disrespect to all who chooses to walk with Buddha ...
If it's "nothing special", then it can mean anything! Why make the distinction between awakening, satori and full enlightenment?
What is full enlightenment? Is there such a thing as full? Is there unfull?
No ...
Is this your understanding?
If it is so, I would recommend you hit yourself on the head! And tell me what you felt!
If you are truely beyond all these mental arguments... you will not even response to this post. -
You love to agree a lot
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My english failedOriginally posted by An Eternal Now:You love to agree a lot
Can't type much english anyway -
You want to type in broken english, singlish, chinese, also canOriginally posted by maggot:My english failed Can't type much english anyway -
No lah, it is just that you are a nice personOriginally posted by maggot:My english failed Can't type much english anyway -
No I'm not nice person at all.Originally posted by longchen:No lah, it is just that you are a nice person Just being myself. -
Be glad that you can even think!Originally posted by longchen:Eye in the Sky,
If you are truely beyond all these mental arguments... you will not even response to this post.
Then why did you respond?
Your response here are what most will consider as 'defeatist'.
What is there to respond or not to respond? It does not 'show' anything ...
Anyway, if you have 'forgotten' after being in the mental wilderness ...
If you are tired, rest!
If you are hungry, eat!
if you are sleepy, sleep!
If you are cuious, ask!
If you want to respond, respond! -
It appears that someone here don't see what we see.
And we have already see what is the intention. -
Keep things SIMPLE! Observe your mind! Forget about quoting this person or that person.
Go back to the 'SOURCE' where it's 'untainted' and 'PURE'!
There are many 'teachers' out there. BUT are they teachers? or Distractors? The real teacher is you! Because you are the only one to 'see' and 'realise' your own Enlightenment! No one else! -
It is partially true. But you probably wouldn't have come to this wisdom without the teachings of Buddha and your master/dharma teacher.Originally posted by Eye in the Sky:Keep things SIMPLE! Observe your mind! Forget about quoting this person or that person.
Go back to the 'SOURCE' where it's 'untainted' and 'PURE'!
There are many 'teachers' out there. BUT are they teachers? or Distractors? The real teacher is you! Because you are the only one to 'see' and 'realise' your own Enlightenment! No one else! -
Sorry ... people must not miss the point and plot ... no disrespect to those who chooses to walk with Buddha ...Originally posted by An Eternal Now:It is partially true. But you probably wouldn't have come to this wisdom without the teachings of Buddha and your master/dharma teacher.
Can you tell me where Buddha got HIS wisdom from? -
let's hope to Buddha that all are 'seeing' the right thing, including youOriginally posted by maggot:It appears that someone here don't see what we see.
And we have already see what is the intention. who is cajoling others here to develop an 'intention' with you
It's dangerous to anyone to go into the 'group' therapy of feeling 'protected'.
Ultimately, only you can realise Enlightenment by your own mind! Gaining
Enlightenment is not like fashion! By putting on similar fashion or doing the in-thing or even back-slapping each other, will get you enlightened!
Even if one is the last human being in the whole universe, one can't be Enlightened even if all those surrounding one, including the others in one's therapy 'feel-good' group are already enlightened. You go it alone. -
What the heck is 'choose to walk with Buddha'?
I didnt noe in Buddhism there is such a term, u think its like to choose to walk with jesus?