What's non-dualism?
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?Originally posted by laurence82:What the heck is 'choose to walk with Buddha'?
I didnt noe in Buddhism there is such a term, u think its like to choose to walk with jesus?
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I am "unmoved" by your wordsOriginally posted by Eye in the Sky:let's hope to Buddha that all are 'seeing' the right thing, including you
who is cajoling others here to develop an 'intention' with you
It's dangerous to anyone to go into the 'group' therapy of feeling 'protected'.
Ultimately, only you can realise Enlightenment by your own mind! Gaining
Enlightenment is not like fashion! By putting on similar fashion or doing the in-thing or even back-slapping each other, will get you enlightened!
Even if one is the last human being in the whole universe, one can't be Enlightened even if all those surrounding one, including the others in one's therapy 'feel-good' group are already enlightened. You go it alone.
You cannot tell others to see the way as you do
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Walk with Buddha?Originally posted by laurence82:What the heck is 'choose to walk with Buddha'?
I didnt noe in Buddhism there is such a term, u think its like to choose to walk with jesus?
This is new
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People like to cling to one idea and miss the other.
Giving an analogy by MCK. A person standing on the convex side of a cup argued that the cup is convex from his perspective. Another person standing on the other concave side of the cup argue that the cup is concave. Each of them cling to their view is right. They are not able to see it from a wider perspectives, that both are correct. The cup is both convex and concave. Moreover, there are not just 2 sides, but multiple sides in phenomena.
In category, there are 8 sides fa, which are ti3(body), xiang4(visual?), yong4(usage), yin1(cause), yuan2(conditions), guo(effect), li3(noumenon), shi4(phenomena).
If one can view from this eight, then one's view can be proper.
Eventual, Master added, view from this 8 is just the surface! Then what's more profound? If see deeper, there's but one root. Within each eight there are 8 more. ie ti3(body) got 8 fa, etcs. And within the sub eight, there are infinity more 8 fa! Buddha is the one able to witness this.
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He has practised for many many lives as a Bodhisattva, met and learnt from countless Buddhas before. That is how he perfects the 10 Paramitas and develope Prajna.Originally posted by Eye in the Sky:Sorry ... people must not miss the point and plot ... no disrespect to those who chooses to walk with Buddha ...
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Yes, very true..Originally posted by sinweiy:People like to cling to one idea and miss the other.
Giving an analogy by MCK. A person standing on the convex side of a cup argued that the cup is convex from his perspective. Another person standing on the other concave side of the cup argue that the cup is concave. Each of them cling to their view is right. They are not able to see it from a wider perspectives, that both are correct. The cup is both convex and concave. Moreover, there are not just 2 sides, but multiple sides in phenomena.
In category, there are 8 sides fa, which are ti3(body), xiang4(visual?), yong4(usage), yin1(cause), yuan2(conditions), guo(effect), li3(noumenon), shi4(phenomena).
If one can view from this eight, then one's view can be proper.
Eventual, Master added, view from this 8 is just the surface! Then what's more profound? If see deeper, there's but one root. Within each eight there are 8 more. ie ti3(body) got 8 fa, etcs. And within the sub eight, there are infinity more 8 fa! Buddha is the one able to witness this.
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I think Buddha might just carry you if you want to ...Originally posted by maggot:Walk with Buddha?
This is new
The point is ... no one can walk the path for you, you have to do it yourself ...
Stay on the path ... Unless .. you are the 'little red riding hood girl' ... watch out for the hungry wolf!
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I am not telling others that by any large margin. maybe I did not make myself too clear for easy understanding. You should not be attached to anything at all unless you are not ready yet to receive it.Originally posted by maggot:I am "unmoved" by your words
You cannot tell others to see the way as you do
They have already see it for themselves
Anyway ... you don't have to be 'moved' or 'unmoved' by what anyone said. Only you will know it yourself what you just said. Ultimately, it's your own mind you are 'playing' with. -
Exactly ... but ...Originally posted by An Eternal Now:He has practised for many many lives as a Bodhisattva, met and learnt from countless Buddhas before. That is how he perfects the 10 Paramitas and develope Prajna.
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sounds like you are clinging to some ideas here. This is no cup!Originally posted by sinweiy:People like to cling to one idea and miss the other.
Giving an analogy by MCK. A person standing on the convex side of a cup argued that the cup is convex from his perspective. Another person standing on the other concave side of the cup argue that the cup is concave. Each of them cling to their view is right. They are not able to see it from a wider perspectives, that both are correct. The cup is both convex and concave. Moreover, there are not just 2 sides, but multiple sides in phenomena.
In category, there are 8 sides fa, which are ti3(body), xiang4(visual?), yong4(usage), yin1(cause), yuan2(conditions), guo(effect), li3(noumenon), shi4(phenomena).
If one can view from this eight, then one's view can be proper.
Eventual, Master added, view from this 8 is just the surface! Then what's more profound? If see deeper, there's but one root. Within each eight there are 8 more. ie ti3(body) got 8 fa, etcs. And within the sub eight, there are infinity more 8 fa! Buddha is the one able to witness this.
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amtf!
(1). In fact the whole shebang is neither{... 'neither{'cup' nor 'no-cup''} 'nor neither{'cup' nor 'no-cup'''}}, to use a recurring series as a simple example.
You are too academic. This is no idea to cling to. See (1) -
Vast emptiness, no beginning, no endingOriginally posted by Eye in the Sky:Exactly ... but ...
Where did those past Buddhas learn from?
No such thing as Past Buddhas -
Buddha might carry me? Don't make me and the rest laugh!Originally posted by Eye in the Sky:I think Buddha might just carry you if you want to ...
The point is ... no one can walk the path for you, you have to do it yourself ...
Stay on the path ... Unless .. you are the 'little red riding hood girl' ... watch out for the hungry wolf! -
Buddha's teachings is for all beings to receive regardless of whether they are ready or not.Originally posted by Eye in the Sky:I am not telling others that by any large margin. maybe I did not make myself too clear for easy understanding. You should not be attached to anything at all unless you are not ready yet to receive it.
Anyway ... you don't have to be 'moved' or 'unmoved' by what anyone said. Only you will know it yourself what you just said. Ultimately, it's your own mind you are 'playing' with.
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mabbe a balanced approach?Originally posted by Eye in the Sky:I think Buddha might just carry you if you want to ...
The point is ... no one can walk the path for you, you have to do it yourself ...
Stay on the path ... Unless .. you are the 'little red riding hood girl' ... watch out for the hungry wolf!
just as we cannot walk the path ourselves alone, we cannot cling onto others totally too... -
that if u are assuming a straight timeline, with definite beginning, with definite ending...Originally posted by Eye in the Sky:Exactly ... but ...
Where did those past Buddhas learn from? -
Originally posted by An Eternal Now:He has practised for many many lives as a Bodhisattva, met and learnt from countless Buddhas before. That is how he perfects the 10 Paramitas and develope Prajna.
There are no past Buddhas?? Look at your own quote above? "... met and learnt from countless Buddhas before ." I don't know your real intention to contradicting yourself. That is of course you intended it that way. Only you know best ... with the benefit of the doubt. However, looking at it from all mental angles, I think the odds are that you were not consciously doing it ie errata!Originally posted by An Eternal Now:No such thing as past Buddhas.
If not, I think Hui Neng would have been grossly disappointed == "What is your face before your parents are born?"
Anyway ... if anyone can recall ... Buddha expounded on Cause and Effect, and later on, if you realised, and consequently it leading to Effect becoming the Cause. It's a cycle. But you need to be neither ... nor ... -
There is no need for your sarcasm here if that's what you are intending ... If you are not familiar with the metaphorical usage, perhaps be humble enough to learn something.Originally posted by maggot:Buddha might carry me? Don't make me and the rest laugh!
And there's no need for anyone to take a jibe at Jesus too. Many enlightened people, lucky enough to be helped by Buddhas who happen to 'drop by' in your daily life, whatever that might be, believe that Jesus is an Enlightened being. -
Looks like I will need to use a different approach for you.Originally posted by maggot:Buddha's teachings is for all beings to receive regardless of whether they are ready or not.
All are welcome to hear
All are welcome to hear?! Buddha's teachings? Just hear?! I think for those think they are ready, they had better not just hear. Do something more. But 'hear' with your mind!
For those who are 'hearing' Buddha's teachings, feel free to treat it as bedside stories. Perhaps it's just the simple case that you are not ready to find out what Buddha discovered!
How many people are really ready to 'walk on the path with Buddha'? -
I seriously dont think Jesus is a enlightened being ,more like a hoax.
Anyway, such discussion should only be confined to the relevant forum. -
You are bringing Jesus here for what?Originally posted by Eye in the Sky:There is no need for your sarcasm here if that's what you are intending ... If you are not familiar with the metaphorical usage, perhaps be humble enough to learn something.
And there's no need for anyone to take a jibe at Jesus too. Many enlightened people, lucky enough to be helped by Buddhas who happen to 'drop by' in your daily life, whatever that might be, believe that Jesus is an Enlightened being.
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i have no idea, but its for u guys to see
As long as i have been reading up on Buddhism, or been reading this forum, i have never seen anyone uses terms such as 'walk with Buddha' or 'hear his teachings'
These particular terms are used commonly in another faith though, referring to someone else.
Hope its just a wild guess and not an accurate conjecture. -
Some do consider him an enlightened being, but no more than that.
his teachings are fundamentally different from buddhism, in areas such as god, reincarnation, understanding of the cosmic world etc
however, dont misunderstand me, i am not putting a value judgement on it, saying its right or wrong
i am emphasising on the difference in beliefs, in a way, how can he be considered an enlightened being when he dont believe on some fundamental issues.. -
looks like you are ready or have already 'reached the other shore' ... anyway ...Originally posted by laurence82:that if u are assuming a straight timeline, with definite beginning, with definite ending...
you can say that for now ... but still where did this timeline begin? It must have a beginning. This is called 'big turtles, small turtles'. Imagine, standing on the back of a turtle there is a smaller turtle, and on this smaller turtle's back, there is an even smaller turtle standing on it, and so on ... the first turtle is standing on an even bigger turtle and so on. For those ready to pounce, 'turtles' are used here as allegorical representation.
timelines have no beginning and no ending ... no ending with no beginning ... some timelines are not straight but sometimes branch out and loop back on itself ... called infinite timeless loops.
time exists before the universe or universes came into existence. J. Richard Gott wrote a wonderful book about it. -
reached the other shore? whats that?Originally posted by Eye in the Sky:looks like you are ready or have already 'reached the other shore' ... anyway ...
you can say that for now ... but still where did this timeline begin? It must have a beginning. This is called 'big turtles, small turtles'. Imagine, standing on the back of a turtle there is a smaller turtle, and on this smaller turtle's back, there is an even smaller turtle standing on it, and so on ... the first turtle is standing on an even bigger turtle and so on. For those ready to pounce, 'turtles' are used here as allegorical representation.
timelines have no beginning and no ending ... no ending with no beginning ... some timelines are not straight but sometimes branch out and loop back on itself ... called infinite timeless loops.
time exists before the universe or universes came into existence. J. Richard Gott wrote a wonderful book about it.
hmm cool stuff, so what Buddhism got to say on time in this context? -
You don't need to teach me. You are not even fit.Originally posted by Eye in the Sky:Looks like I will need to use a different approach for you.
All are welcome to hear?! Buddha's teachings? Just hear?! I think for those think they are ready, they had better not just hear. Do something more. But 'hear' with your mind!
I have already found out more than you do about BuddhaOriginally posted by Eye in the Sky:For those who are 'hearing' Buddha's teachings, feel free to treat it as bedside stories. Perhaps it's just the simple case that you are not ready to find out what Buddha discovered!
How many people are really ready to 'walk on the path with Buddha'?