if buddha got a knock on his head
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and got amnesia will he not be buddha anymore?
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Originally posted by Suicine:and got amnesia will he not be buddha anymore?
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LoLx !!
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Then we have another buddha lor...
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Hi, LZLS says that highly attained practitioners do not get amnesia.
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I notice you always mention about amnesia
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No, I don't think so.Originally posted by An Eternal Now:Hi, LZLS says that highly attained practitioners do not get amnesia.
As long as you are a human, you will be affected by everything in between - birth, death, sickness, suffering. Amnesia affects the human brain not the transcended Mind, the Buddha Mind.
Another twist to the original question:
When Buddha died, did he cease to be a Buddha? Did his Buddha nature die with him? The answer is obvious!
It depends at what point amnesia happens to ther person.
If it happens after he was enlightened, he would have realised enlightenment anyway.
If it happens while trying to attain enlightenment, his efforts will have been wasted, but because he is on the right karman path, he will get another chance. -
maybe its the best state there is
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Is that so?
I have a Taiwanese dharma teacher (my master's dharma successor) who had to go through hospital operations. Because of his practise, no anesthetic could affect him. He got twice the usual dose, usually one dose is enough to make a person unconscious. However, he remains fully conscious. He told the doctors and nurses that no amount of anesthetic could make him unconscious, so go ahead with the operation. The whole operation went ahead with him fully conscious, observing everything that happened in the hospital.
Another similar true story of the 16th Karmapa who died in 1981:
As death approached, he had taken a half-dozen deadly diseases upon himself. Using his yogic power, he removed much of their harmfulness, at least for those in his powerfield. He also allowed the physicians to test their medicines on him. Some of their findings were amazing: even the highest doses of sedatives had absolutely no effect on him. He cared for their well-being and never talked about himself.
On the evening of November 5th, the day of Liberatrice, the doctors had routinely entered his room. Seeing that his machines had apparently turned themselves off, all had the same thought, "He's playing a joke on us." At the very moment, they started up again, worked for five minutes and then stopped completely. The next morning, when the staff wanted to remove his body from the bed, the lineage holders asked if all signs of death were present. They were not. Karmapa's body was still warm and supple, and especially his heart center was so hot that one could feel it at a good distance. This is how he stayed.
http://www.karmapa.org/history/karmapa_16/16ka3_9.htm
Sometimes, persons with high level of cultivation can go beyond these. -
But then again, some good cultivators can die in their own will. (not suicide, literally their will) My Taiwanese teacher almost died this way too (in another occasion) but was persuaded not to leave..
But anyway, what my dharma teacher told me regarding amnesia is not "jian wang" but rather "lao ren chi dai", so maybe different thing. -
'Observations' such as these are due to Attachment!Originally posted by An Eternal Now:Is that so?
I have a Taiwanese dharma teacher (my master's dharma successor) who had to go through hospital operations. Because of his practise, no anesthetic could affect him. He got twice the usual dose, usually one dose is enough to make a person unconscious. However, he remains fully conscious. He told the doctors and nurses that no amount of anesthetic could make him unconscious, so go ahead with the operation. The whole operation went ahead with him fully conscious, observing everything that happened in the hospital.
Another similar true story of the 16th Karmapa who died in 1981:
As death approached, he had taken a half-dozen deadly diseases upon himself. Using his yogic power, he removed much of their harmfulness, at least for those in his powerfield. He also allowed the physicians to test their medicines on him. Some of their findings were amazing: even the highest doses of sedatives had absolutely no effect on him. He cared for their well-being and never talked about himself.
On the evening of November 5th, the day of Liberatrice, the doctors had routinely entered his room. Seeing that his machines had apparently turned themselves off, all had the same thought, "He's playing a joke on us." At the very moment, they started up again, worked for five minutes and then stopped completely. The next morning, when the staff wanted to remove his body from the bed, the lineage holders asked if all signs of death were present. They were not. Karmapa's body was still warm and supple, and especially his heart center was so hot that one could feel it at a good distance. This is how he stayed.
http://www.karmapa.org/history/karmapa_16/16ka3_9.htm
Sometimes, persons with high level of cultivation can go beyond these.
'Observations' are often termed 'true' because the author wants you to believe in something special. Remember ... if you are attached to something special, or have thoughts of 'special events', you are in ATTACHMENT! Get out of it! There is nothing special! -
I'm not saying that it is anything special. It is definitely true because there are witnesses.
But my point is enlightened people may not be subjected to certain "impairments" that normal people may have. -
Believe them if you want to ... but only as inspiration and motivation .. do not be distracted from the path or use them for the wrong reason.Originally posted by An Eternal Now:I'm not saying that it is anything special. It is definitely true because there are witnesses.
But my point is enlightened people may not be subjected to certain "impairments" that normal people may have.
The most magnificent thing about Buddhism is that it transcends time and space.
Once you control 'time and space' ... you can be anything ... that is the goal