What is the sound of One hand clapping?
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Is looking for an answer the real intention of this KOAN posted by A E N?
Answers will always be debatable. There are two sides to a coin, and a third side, the rim of the coin. (Pls no arguments here, it's just a metaphorical representation!)
Well, my answer is 'There is no Hand!' -
I have already said mah...Originally posted by alexkusu:so..u know the answer now? -
do u understand the answer?Originally posted by An Eternal Now:I have already said mah... -
Mabbe we all should try working to the answer
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Yes. Practise is important... we cannot "answer the koan" without real practise and real realisations.Originally posted by laurence82:Mabbe we all should try working to the answer
But then again .... ultimately the state of Awareness is inexpressible, how can you describe the state of No Mind using Mind? -
one question=many different interpretations.
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yeap, agreeOriginally posted by alexkusu:one question=many different interpretations. -
Yes, many different interpretations. But are these interpretations the right ones or the wrong ones? If the wrong one is 'agreed by a group' to be correct, hmmm ...Originally posted by alexkusu:one question=many different interpretations.
or worst,
if the right one is 'slammed down' to be wrong, then
... it's not really worth knowing any answers, even the RIGHT one! -
how i glad u agree with meOriginally posted by Eye in the Sky:Yes, many different interpretations. But are these interpretations the right ones or the wrong ones? If the wrong one is 'agreed by a group' to be correct, hmmm ...
or worst,
if the right one is 'slammed down' to be wrong, then
... it's not really worth knowing any answers, even the RIGHT one!
i got hard time with people who believe they got the answers to life, the universe and everything, and then slam it down other people's throats....
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I had to agree with you, its the truth! That's how life is ...Originally posted by laurence82:how i glad u agree with me
i got hard time with people who believe they got the answers to life, the universe and everything, and then slam it down other people's throats....
my friend ... there will always be comparisons or manifestations and representations of the dualitic nature of life ... oh! my mirror is more brilliant than yours! ... No! My is more brilliant. Look at ours too! and so on ... continuous permutations of self-proclaimations and counter-proclaimations ...
The funny thing with Enlightenment is ... there isn't any! -
Clapping hands can't be made with one hand only...
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The act of clapping with one hand, not clapping handsOriginally posted by thinkdifferent:Clapping hands can't be made with one hand only...
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Then clapping with one hand is no real clapping. It should be called different.Originally posted by An Eternal Now:The act of clapping with one hand, not clapping hands -
just a concept, name and forms. not importantOriginally posted by thinkdifferent:Then clapping with one hand is no real clapping. It should be called different.
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What is the sound of One hand clapping?
Noisy! -
Originally posted by namelessness:Noisy!
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Maybe what we think is not important can be crucial. We should think out of the box. Maybe we can find the answer if we look at the issue from some other side. Everyone is concentrating on the sound, if there is any sound or no sound, how does it sound etc. Nobody was thinking of if it is possible to clap with one hand.Originally posted by An Eternal Now:just a concept, name and forms. not important
There are maybe more sides of this issue. Our looks shouldn't be so narrow. Maybe the solution is absolutely different then we think. -
After reading the story about Toyo, I think he was only half way there. Wasn't it?Originally posted by An Eternal Now:It is only by realising our True Nature, is it possible. By looking outwards, we can only grasp at sounds, no matter how silent it is, we still grasp the silence as if it were sound. Zen Koans are not profound, they are not used to realise some deep and profound philosophy, they just point to our own basic nature/Pure Awareness.
BTW, I believe this is the one you read: http://www.ashidakim.com/zenkoans/21thesoundofonehand.html
The moral of the story is the same here. It is not by looking outwards. -
Yes.. indeed.Originally posted by namelessness:After reading the story about Toyo, I think he was only half way there. Wasn't it? -
There is NO hand!Originally posted by thinkdifferent:Maybe what we think is not important can be crucial. We should think out of the box. Maybe we can find the answer if we look at the issue from some other side. Everyone is concentrating on the sound, if there is any sound or no sound, how does it sound etc. Nobody was thinking of if it is possible to clap with one hand.
There are maybe more sides of this issue. Our looks shouldn't be so narrow. Maybe the solution is absolutely different then we think. -
Dunno the answer.
But i think this is meant to break one free from conceptual thinking ( mental reasoning).
If we try to find the answer, there won't be any. This maybe to show that truth cannot be conceptually understood and that logic is but a relative truth thus not absolute! -
In silence there is no speech no words but i see alot being written out. I give you a hint, Zen means attain, cannot be describe.
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Originally posted by Fa Ru:In silence there is no speech no words but i see alot being written out. I give you a hint, Zen means attain, cannot be describe.
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the sound of one hand clapping = wu zhong sheng you, trying to create something out of nothing. hehe..
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If we are to use concept/intellect to describe the sound of one hand clapping, then that will not work.Originally posted by Ray2:the sound of one hand clapping = wu zhong sheng you, trying to create something out of nothing. hehe..