The Earth People: Genesis in Buddhism
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THE EARTH PEOPLE - Part 1
People often ask, "Why are there human beings on earth?", "Where did the ancestors of the human race come from?" or "How did the world come about?" Questions such as these have plagued mankind since time immemorial. The answers lie in the Buddhist scriptures and over the next four issues, Venerable Shen-Kai shall deliberate on them.
The ancestors of the human race came from the Light-sound heaven (Abhasvara)
In the Ekottaragama Sutra and other Buddhist scriptures, it was precisely stated that the human race originated from the Light-sound heaven. Being the most intellectual of all living things on this earth, the ancestors of the human race could not possibly have been made from clay by some divine gods; this is a myth. They could not have been evolved from apes; this is a fallacy.
People often ask:
Where is the Light-sound heaven?
Why is it called the Light-sound heaven?
How did the human race come from the Light-sound heaven?
According to Buddhism, the various celestial levels of existence, in ascending order, are divided into three worlds, namely:
(i) Field of Desires
(ii) Field of Forms
(iii) Field of Formless
(i) Field of Desires:
Within the Field of Desires, there are:
Heaven of Four Heavenly Kings (Catummaharajika)
Thirty-three Heavens (Tavatimsa) - (there are 33 devas in this heaven comprising 8 devas in each direction of East, West, North and South together with the centre being that of Sakka. Sakyamuni Buddha was once the deva-king of this heaven.)
Heaven of Devas Yama
Tusita Heaven
Nirmanarati Heaven
Paranirmitavasavartin Heave
(ii) Field of Forms:
Above the Field of Desires is the Field of Forms where beings delight in Jhanic bliss achieved by renouncing sense-desires. This field consists of 4 Dhyana Heavens - the Heaven of 1st Dhyana, the Heaven of 2nd Dhyana, the Heaven of 3rd Dhyana and the Heaven of 4th Dhyana.
In the Heaven of the 1st Dhyana or Jhana, there are:
- The Heaven of Brahma's Retinue
- The Heaven of Brahma's Ministers
- The Heaven of Maha Brahma (Sakyamuni Buddha was once the heavenly king of this heaven)
In the Heaven of the 2nd Dhyana, there are:
- The Heaven of Minor Lustre
- The Heaven of Infinite Lustre
- The Heaven of Light-sound or Radiant Lustre
In the Heaven of the 3rd Dhyana, there are:
- The Heaven of Minor Purity
- The Heaven of Infinite Purity
- The Heaven of Extensive Purity
In the Heaven of the 4th Dhyana, there are:
- The Heaven of blessing-arising
- The Heaven of blessing-attached
- The Heaven of vast-reward
- The Heaven of no thought
- The Heaven of no vexation
- The Heaven of no heat
- The Heaven of virtue-view
- The Heaven of virtue-appear
- The Heaven of form ultimate
(iii) Field of Formless:
There are 4 other heavens within this Field of Formless. The heavens are totally devoid of matter or bodies. These are:
The Sphere of infinite space
The Sphere of boundless consciousness
The Sphere of nothingness and
The Sphere of no thought, no no-thought
From the above three Fields, there are altogether 28 levels of heavens.
The Light-sound heaven or Radiant Lustre is at the 3rd level of the Heaven of the 2nd Dhyana or Jhana of the Field of Forms. The beings of this heaven communicate not through sounds, but they emit pure radiant lights from their mouths that represent what they wish to express and the receiving party on seeing the lights is able to understand what they mean. As lights represent sounds, hence this heaven is called the Light-sound heaven. It is the most unique and wonderful level of the three heavens of the 2nd Dhyana and is also called the "Heaven of Radiant Lustre."
Â… to be continued in the next issue, Volume 7, Issue No. 2
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THE EARTH PEOPLE - Part 2
The Arrival
People often ask, "Why are there human beings on earth?", "Where did the ancestors of the human race come from?" or "How did the world come about?" Questions such as these have plagued mankind since time immemorial. In the Abhidhamma Patika and other Buddhist scriptures, it was precisely stated that the human race originated from the Light-sound heaven.
In this Part 2 of The Earth People, Venerable Shen-Kai talks about the first phase of the earth's formation and the arrival of the "earth people".
The evolving world goes through four stages, namely:
1. Formation
2. Existence
3. Destruction
4. Void or Emptiness
Each stage has a time span termed a "medium kalpa" [1]. Twenty "small kalpas" make one "medium kalpa". The four stages, each termed a "medium kalpa", make up a "great kalpa".
When the world reaches the final phase of the Stage of Destruction, there will be great fires burning down hell, planet earth, other stars and their cosmic worlds as well as the various heavens within the Field of Desires. Prior reaching the heaven of the 1st Jhana of the Field of Forms, the Devas, Bodhisattvas, Sages and those sentient beings who have performed great virtuous deeds in the lower worlds will naturally be saved. They have already been ascended to the Heaven of Radiant Lustre where they will enjoy happiness and heavenly bliss.
Following the passing of twenty small kalpas in the Stage of Void or Emptiness, the world will return to the beginning of a new Stage of Formation. A big golden heavenly cloud will appear from the Heaven of Radiant Lustre and heavy rain will fall to drench the burning worlds. After the floodwater has receded, the various heavens below the heaven of the 1st Jhana (or Dhyana) will reappear. The massive forces of swirling on the remaining materials left over by the receding floodwater will gradually solidify. This process is accompanied by the reappearance of various planets in the sky - many are spherical in shape and others, elliptical. This will, of course, include our earth and the orbiting moon, as well as all the worlds below including the lowest level of hell. As the extreme heat energies rotate and concentrate, many suns are formed - this is what the astronomers called the stars, planets and satellites. Within each galaxy system, the stars have their orbits rotating around the sun, planets have their own orbits around the stars, and satellites around the planets. The revolving stars, planets and satellites coupled with their own rotations maintain motions, thus creating day and night. Further, the process produces day, month, year and the four seasons. However, it is to be noted that the time scales are different between earth, the various worlds of existence in heavens and other stellar systems.
For this period, a passage in the Chinese Old Text story "Qiong-Lin" recorded similar description on the formation of the world. The text reads:
"When earth was first separated from heaven;
pure light air float to form the sky and the polluted air sink to form the ground;
the sun, moon and five stars are called the seven-Polis;
the heaven, earth and humans are called the three-lords; and
the sun is the master of the "Yang" [2]
with the moon as the image of the "Yin" [3]
The above description is very close to what the Buddha said. Further, records from Buddhist scriptures match very well with what astronomers of today have found. It is in this manner that the world is returned to the great natural phenomenon of the universe.
During the first phase of the formation of earth, the earth's crust covering the ground was not fully solidified. The ground surface appeared milky in colour. Looking from the celestial plane, the earth shone brightly and afar. In the heaven of Radiant Lustre, many of those celestial beings whose blissful life in the heaven was coming to an end and who by disposition were more restless and impetuous, on seeing the brightness, and out of curiosity, began to travel down to the earth. They used their "clairvoyance feats" to fly down and reached different continents of the earth. They saw fluid springing out from the ground and they dipped their fingers in it. They tasted the fluid and found it extremely tasty, sweet like honey. While the fluid was so tasty, everyone craved for more. Those who had most, their bodies became rough and heavier. They began to lose their light illusory physical forms and their bodies slowly formed into the material body of bone and flesh. The weight forced them to the ground and they lost their "clairvoyance feats" and "natural heavenly clothes", and were unable to fly through the skies to return to the celestial world. They began to lose many of their intrinsic celestial qualities such as celestial colours, fragrant scent, brightness, beauty, wisdom and their innate miraculous quality. In particular, their "clairvoyance eyes" turned into human eyes; and their "clairvoyance ears" became human ears. They became unable to remember their past lives. They lost their special ability to read the minds of others. They were unable to communicate by radiant light from their mouths and they needed to depend on sounds from the movements of their tongues. While without sufficient languages and vocabulary, they needed sign language to assist them to fully communicate with each other. They became ordinary human beings on earth. After running out of the tasty fluid, they resorted to feed on thick weedy plants, then hard crops from the wild. At that time, the life span of human being was long and there was no disease or sickness. Later, they learned to plant crops and vegetables. During the period of feeding from nature, those who were greedy in feeding themselves acquired darker skin colours, ranging from brown to black. Others who did not feed as much and those who arrived later had lighter skin colour, ranging from fair to yellow. As time went on, together with the influence by climatic conditions of different regions (equatorial, temperate and cold regions), various skin coloured races of people were formed.
Â… to be continued in the next issue, Volume 7, Issue No. 3
Note:
[1] Kalpa:
1 small kalpa = 16.8 million years
20 small kalpas = 1 medium kalpa = 336 million years
80 small kalpas = 4 medium kalpas = 1 great kalpa = 1.344 billion years
[2] Yang:
Chinese philosophy; the masculine or positive principle in nature
[3] Yin:
Chinese philosophy; the feminine or negative principle in nature
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THE EARTH PEOPLE - Part 3
From Celestial Beings to Human Beings
The Ekottaragama Sutra and other Buddhist scriptures have stated that the human race originated from the Light-sound heaven. How do they become the human race of today? What will happen to this earth eventually? Venerable Shen-Kai answers these questions and more, in this concluding serial of The Earth People. In addition we learn that the earth, as with all phenomena in the universe, is subject to the four stages of formation, existence, destruction and emptiness. There is no beginning and no end, and the best way for us to live is to emulate the spirit and virtuous deeds of the Bodhisattvas.
In the early days, small groups of people lived in scattered places; each group used its own language for communication. The physical separation between the groups and the lack of efficient means of transportation resulted in the creation of hundreds and thousands of different languages. These people were the ancestors of the many different races in the world today.
The early inhabitants, after losing their “celestial clothing”, moved around naked. While they played, their emotions on love and relationship arose resulting in sexual desires. They began to feel shy and shameful. At that time, grass and other plants were grown on earth and they used leaves as clothes, partly to cover their naked bodies and partly to protect themselves from the cold.
From the perspective of the other worlds, the earthÂ’s light had turned green, separating the seas and the land. The devas from other celestial worlds dared not come anymore. The human beings on earth began to live as husbands and wives. They raised children. They lived in caves and later, they learned to build dwelling houses. With improved conditions, the population grew. The six-sensory organs of the human being (eyes, ears, nose, tongue, body and mind) began to differentiate and this resulted in affliction and vexation. The innate bright and innocent celestial nature disappeared, and in their places arose greed, anger, ignoranceÂ….thereby formed the basis of Asura sentient beings. The Devas, Human and Asura are beings of the three good realms. With the arising of the evil deeds of killing, stealing, sexual misconductÂ… resulting in the sentient beings in the three evil realms of animal, ghost and hell. Together, these formed the transmigration process in the six realms of existence. With this, all sentient beings have four modes of birth, namely,
i. Womb-born beings (jalabuja);
ii. Egg-born beings (andaja);
iii. Moisture-born beings (samsedaja);
iv. Gaseous form-born beings (opapatika).
and thousands and millions of different life forms.
These constitute the corresponding living spheres of the seas, land, sky and motion.
The thinking of humanity and their lives changed from simple to complex states. Some portions of the human race turned from the barbaric stage to a civilised world. Some portions of primitive man that fed on raw flesh and blood of birds and beasts gradually changed to civilisation. The introduction of farming and trading is the beginning of agriculture and commerce sectors. Some lived on making of farming tools, cooking utensils and production of building materials, this was the beginning of industry. In order to administer peace and justice arising from arguments and fights caused by greed, anger, ignorance, killing, stealing and sexual misconduct, virtuous and upright people were elected to maintain law and order, and to manage the affairs of people in the society. From these came education, social ethic and democratic government. The advent of languages created written texts which led to the flourishing of modern civilisation. The barbaric era ended. Communities moved from small tribal groups into big societies, from societies to countries, and from the competitive nature between countries, and they further evolved through scientific progress into the atomic age and the cosmic age.
When the human inhabitants first arrived on earth, the average life span at that time was longer than 84,000 years. As the people distanced themselves from good deeds and committed various evil deeds, the life span shortened. For every 100 years, the average life span is reduced by 1 year. The human life span continued to shorten and when the life span dropped down to an average of 10 years, disasters and calamities struck. For those who were cultivating good deeds and had been staying away as hermits, they survived. For those who had survived the disasters and calamities, they realised their past mistakes and repented. Each began to cultivate good deeds and promoted to the society to carry out good deeds. With the effect of the communal good karma, the human life span began to lengthen again. And when the age has reached 84,000 years, the same decreasing process would repeat due to the arising of evil or unwholesome deeds. One cycle of such an increasing-decreasing life span is called a “small Kalpa”[1]. Twenty small kalpas make up a “medium kalpa”. With this, the Stage of Formation is completed.
Next come the Stage of Existence. In this stage, the increasing-decreasing life span of human beings also underwent twenty small kalpas before it reaches the Stage of Destruction.
At the beginning of the Stage of Destruction, everything had developed to the extremes. All the natural resources had been completely exhausted and the earth severely damaged. The destruction process also went through a period of twenty small kalpas. In the final days, the seas dried up. Strong winds, big fires and heavy floods prevail. The Three Disasters (The three major disasters for world destruction – fire, water and wind) and Eight Difficulties (The eight conditions in which it is difficult to encounter a Buddha or hear his Dharma: in the hells; as hungry ghosts; as animals; in Uttarakuru (the northern continent where all is pleasant); in the long-life heaven (where life is long and easy); as deaf, blind and dumb; as worldly philosopher; in the intermediate period between a Buddha and his successor.) all come upon the earth. This is truly the “End of the World”.
When the earth is damaged, it enters into the Stage of Emptiness. This emptiness stage also lasts for a long period of twenty small kalpas. At the end of this period, big golden yellow clouds would appear and heavy rain would pour down from the Light-sound heaven to put out the fires. A new world is thereby created.
According to the above described process, the world has to go through the four stages of Formation, Existence, Destruction and Emptiness which are the four “medium kalpas”. One “Great Kalpa” needs to go through four “medium kalpas” totaling eighty “small kalpas”.
In the Buddhist scriptures, the term “Three Great Kalpas” refers to the Great Kalpas of the three periods of past, present and future.
In the previous world before our present earth world, the era was called “Kalpa of Adornment”. During twenty small kalpas in the Stage of Existence of the Adornment Kalpa, there were one thousand Buddhas in existence to maintain the virtuous adornment of their world, hence its unique naming. Today, the current era is called the “Kalpa of Virtue”. In the twenty small kalpas of the Stage of Existence of this era, one thousand Buddhas will also be born. The present Sakyamuni Buddha is the fourth Buddha. When it comes to the fifth Buddha, his name will be Maitreya Buddha. Today, he is commonly referred to as “Maitreya Buddha – the Buddha to be”. He is presently not a Buddha and hence the name.
The next aeon is called the “Kalpa of Stars”. In this Kalpa of Stars, within the twenty small kalpas of the Stage of Existence, there will also be one thousand Buddhas.
When the earth of the “Kalpa of Stars” era is destroyed, a new earth will be formed again. If the people of our present world wish to lead a long and blissful life, it is really possible to fulfil this wish. All that is needed is for the people to carry out good deeds, to cultivate and emulate the aspiration of the Bodhisattvas, to contribute to the beneficial deeds of Bodhisattvas, … and within the birth-death transmigration in the six realms of existence to continually maintain the human form lifetime after lifetime. When finally the “End of the World” comes, their “nature-soul” will be saved and they will be born in the Heaven of Light-sound where they will enjoy heavenly bliss.
The world may become damaged, but our “nature-soul” is non-ceasing. When a new earth is formed, those beings will come down from the Heaven of Light-sound, and due to the effect of the communal virtuous karma, together a new world is created that will be a brighter, more stable, peaceful and blissful Buddha World.
It is hoped that everyone will emulate the spirit and virtuous deeds of the Bodhisattvas lifetime after lifetime, and never to regress from the Bodhi path and enlightenment, but to continuously cultivate through the aeon of “Three Great Kalpas”. While there are a thousand Buddhas born in each Great Kalpa, if you could meet the Buddha in your lifetime and be guided and blessed; then it is definitely possible to become a Buddha in the next Great Kalpa after the “Kalpa of Stars” era. Therefore, Jen Chen Buddhism advocates the development of a blissful world on this earth. Such virtuous deeds shall bring about boundless blessings and longevity, and in the coming “kalpa” eras, everyone will become a Buddha.
Note:
[1] Kalpa:
1 small kalpa = 16.8 million years
20 small kalpas = 1 medium kalpa = 336 million years
80 small kalpas = 4 medium kalpas = 1 great kalpa = 1.344 billion years
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Doesn't help. Still the same material as the previous post. Too long. Can summarize will be best.
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yeah.. like god loves you.Originally posted by happyharvest:Doesn't help. Still the same material as the previous post. Too long. Can summarize will be best.
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if i am not wrong. buddha once said he is not god nor is there any creator. so how come the articles above give us idea into that vast amount of spiritual/mystical worlds?
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Same. I am also puzzled. That is why I'm curious. They also got end times prophecy.Last time, I saw in the net they used dunno what angels or whatever to explain the origin of karma.........Originally posted by merlion_boy:if i am not wrong. buddha once said he is not god nor is there any creator. so how come the articles above give us idea into that vast amount of spiritual/mystical worlds? -
think you enter an UNorthodox buddhist site, a new age teachings. We don't use angels, we use Pusa (bodhisattvas).Originally posted by happyharvest:Last time, I saw in the net they used dunno what angels or whatever to explain the origin of karma.........
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It goes like this. They asked Buddha.Originally posted by merlion_boy:if i am not wrong. buddha once said he is not god nor is there any creator. so how come the articles above give us idea into that vast amount of spiritual/mystical worlds?
Are you God?
- No.
- Are you an Angel?
- No.
- Are you a Human Being?
- No.
- Then what are You?
- I am "Awake."
Matrix and The Truman Show had the Buddhism concept of Buddha or an Enlightened One awakened from the false reality. Like we are all alseep, He woke up!
Maybe, do go thought the basic of Buddhism.
Be a Lamp Upon Yourself
By Brother Shen Shi'an
http://www.buddhistinformation.com/be_a_lamp_upon_yourself.htm
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That would likely be a new age teaching. There are many spiritual teachings that holds belief in karma, among it Hinduism, Sikhism, New Age, etc..Originally posted by happyharvest:Same. I am also puzzled. That is why I'm curious. They also got end times prophecy.Last time, I saw in the net they used dunno what angels or whatever to explain the origin of karma......... -
Buddha is Omniscient, and has cultivated dhyanic powers that enabled him to perceive the vast magnitude of existences.Originally posted by merlion_boy:if i am not wrong. buddha once said he is not god nor is there any creator. so how come the articles above give us idea into that vast amount of spiritual/mystical worlds?
But not sure what mystical worlds/spiritual worlds you refering to, some of them could be Chinese Mythology/Taoist teachings. -
Can you quote some relevant verses to support your claim that Buddha said he is Omniscient?Originally posted by An Eternal Now:Buddha is Omniscient, and has cultivated dhyanic powers that enabled him to perceive the vast magnitude of existences.
But not sure what mystical worlds/spiritual worlds you refering to, some of them could be Chinese Mythology/Taoist teachings. -
Hmm, sumthings i see, but i'll reserve my comments for later....
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U think its like wad, using verses to support jesus is the son of god?Originally posted by The return:Can you quote some relevant verses to support your claim that Buddha said he is Omniscient?
Somebody need to read up more... -
Originally posted by laurence82:U think its like wad, using verses to support jesus is the son of god?
Somebody need to read up more... 
lame -
not lame not lameOriginally posted by The return: lame
some other day, one peep use the term 'walk with buddha'
every faith is diff, some concepts cant be applied to all -
There's sutras/suttas that say He just knew humbly a palm-ful-of-leaves-compared-to-the forest's-leaves much and yet that palm-ful is enough for Any One to attain Enlightenment already!Originally posted by The return:Can you quote some relevant verses to support your claim that Buddha said he is Omniscient?
Actually Buddha's Omniscient is very unique. When Buddha is not doing anything or in Samathi/concentration, He don't know anything to stay All-knowing. But when a person ask Him something, He would reply just like that with his all-knowingness. Like a mirror of Truth. Mirror by itself is still, only when someone go and reflect it, it just show the reflections of truth to the someone. Ultimately, Not-knowing IS All-Knowing, not-dually.
He can like retrieve a person's data from one's mind.the Buddha explains exactly how much knowledge he had , in Majjhima Nikaya sutta #71 (To Vacchagotta on the Threefold True Knowledge).
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[Vacchagotta to the Buddha]
"Venerable Sir, I have heard this: 'The recluse Gotama claims to be omniscient and all-seeing, to have complete knowledge and vision thus: "Whether i am walking or standing or sleeping or awake, knowledge and vision are continuously and uninteruppedly present to me."' Venerable Sir, do those who speak thus say what has been said by the Blessed One, and not misrepresent him with what is contrary to the fact? Do they explain in accordance with the Dhamma in such a way that nothing which provides a groud for censure can be legitimately deduced from their assertion?"
[Buddha]
"Vaccha, those who say thus do not say what has been said by me, but misrepresent me with what is untrue and contrary to fact."
[Vacchagotta]
"Venerable sir, how should i answer that i may say what has been said by the Blessed One and not misrepresent him with what is contrary to fact? How may i explain in accordance with the Dhamma in such a way that nothing which provides a ground for censure can be legitimately deduced from my assertion?"
[Buddha]
"Vaccha, if you answer thus: 'The recluse Gotama has the threefold true knowledge,' you will be saying what has been said by me and will not misrepresent me with what is contrary to fact. You will explain in accordance with the Dhamma in such a way that nothing which provides a ground for censure can be legitimately deduced from your assertion.
"For in so far as i wish, I can recollect my manifold past lives, that is, one birth, two births, three births, four births, five births, ten births, twenty births, thirty births, fourty births, fifty births, a hundred births, a thousand births, a hundred thousand births, many aeons of world-contraction, many aeons of world-expansion, many aeons of world-contraction and expansion: 'There i was so named, of such a clan, with such an appearance, such was my nutriment, such was my experience of pleasure and pain, such my life-term; and passing away from there, I reappeared elsewhere; and there too I was so named, of such a clan, with such an appearance, such was my nutriment, such my experience of pleasure and pain, such my life-term; and passing away from there, I reappeared here.' Thus with their aspects and particulars I recollect my manifold past lives.
"And in so far as i wish, with the divine eye, which is purified and surpasses the human, I see beings passing away and reappearing, inferior and superior, fair and ugly, fortunate and unfortunate, and I understand how beings pass on according to their actions thus: 'These worthy beings who were ill-conducted in body, speech and mind, not revilers of noble ones, right in their views, giving effect to right vie in their actions, on the dissolution of the body, after death, have reappeared in a good destination, even in the heavenly world.' Thus with the divine eye, which is purified and surpasses the human, I see beings passing away and reappearing, inferior and superior, fair and ugly, fortunate and unfortunate, and I understand how beings pass on according to their actions.
"And by realising for myself with direct knowledge, I here and now enter upon and abide in the deliverance of mind and deliverance by wisdom that are taintless with the destruction of the taints.
"If you answer thus: 'The recluse Gotama has the threefold true knowledge,' you will be saying what has been said by me and will not misrepresent me with what is contrary to fact. You will explain in accordance with the Dhamma in such a way that nothing which provides a ground for censure can be legitimately deduced from your assertion."
Was the Buddha Omniscient?Dharmacari Naagapriya
http://www.westernbuddhistreview.com/vol4/was_the_buddha_omniscient.html
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heres a link to a test that some cowhearders gave to Buddha...
http://www.kalavinka.org/jewels/nagajuna/mppu/wk-f02/02-cowte.htm
QUOTE'Venerable Nâgasena, was the Buddha omniscient?'
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'Yes, O king, He was. But the insight of knowledge was not always and continually (consciously) present with him. The omniscience of the Blessed One was dependent on reflection.' But if he did reflect he knew whatever he wanted to know -
Yes, basically, Buddha's omniscience does not mean knowing all 'knowledge' and 'facts' all at once, because the Buddha Mind does not operate like a Sentient mind. Buddha nature is Pure Awareness perfect and complete, when Buddha needs to know something, he will know it through reflections.
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Hey laurence82, if you are unable to show respect, I can see that you don't even respect yourself, slapper!Originally posted by laurence82:not lame not lame
some other day, one peep use the term 'walk with buddha'
every faith is diff, some concepts cant be applied to all -
Originally posted by Eye in the Sky:Hey laurence82, if you are unable to show respect, I can see that you don't even respect yourself, slapper!
Show respect? The onus must be on two sides, not one. -
Two sides? Oh you poor thing ... who slapped you today? Someone abused you in your past?Originally posted by laurence82:
Show respect? The onus must be on two sides, not one.
Relax ... don't have to slug off anyone here to get some form of gratification towards self-exaltation or group recognition of herd-mentality acceptance ... more like habiting an illusion of a false perception ... don't see you offering any form of 'enlightening' views. More a defeatist act ...
i think your perception of 'concepts don't apply here or there' is wall-gardening Universality for your own pathetic pond of muddied illusion. Hang onto it all you like and 'enjoy' another cycle of mediocrity! -
Power of leverage
Three paras in reply to one sentence...
Fumed? Relax.....dont get too emotional, rem? -
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Power of leverage
Three paras in reply to one sentence...
Fumed? Relax.....dont get too emotional, rem? -
hi laurence82, Eye in the Sky..
Take a moment..
Think about this question:
What moved?
metta -
hmm interestingly, I feel the defination of the word "GOD" is not baseline for a constructive discussion.
There are mentioned of Gods and Spiritual guards and there are heaps of them. Just like there are so many unknown species in the deep wide ocean.
There are many level of unknown worlds and many galaxies and many heavens and many hells. God or Gods still get angry, agitated and are confined or bounded by a defined space of a world or realm. But the state of Enligtenment breaks all boundaries and everything is ONE. This includes breaking the boundaries of space(here and there), time(then and now), size(big and small). Breaks through all the polarities. Everything is one and acceptable, tolerable, reachable and attainable. This is total freedom and extreme peaceful and perfect harmony. It breaks away and reaches a supreme level which is always in a perfect state. (Perfect wisdom and Perfect bliss).
Heaven is no where close because heaven is itself a physical space.
cheers,