Meet Problem, Need advice
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Meet problems, need advice of below.
In what true method or direction can guide to termination or complete both good & bad karma?
I have been thinking, Making good create Good. With good conditions, self may not have right views. Blind self. How to create balance? A good example is the KNF story verse "His salary is peanuts." Being in good conditions all the time that's why blinded from the true.
Making bad create bad. Bad conditions arises also blinding self from right truth. Good example is "No matter how much I donate, I still cannot get anything from lucky draw or something free. Why still need to donate?"
How to untie both?
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Liberation from good and bad, having mindfulness/awareness, wisdom in dealing things... in fact should be your normal practise.
Then there won't be ignorant comments like "His salary is peanuts", neither will he donate because of the greed for winnings. BTW, there will never be merits if one donates because of lucky draws. At most, the person is performing a "leaking" virtue, meaning it will eventually leak away like a punctured balloon. -
Understanding karma:
http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Academy/9280/kamma.htm#Contents
Can kamma be erased?
http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Academy/9280/kamma6.htm
The Kamma that Ends Kamma
http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Academy/9280/kamma5.htm1. Black kamma, black result.
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2. White kamma, white result.
3. Kamma both black and white, result both black and white.
4. Kamma neither black nor white, result neither black nor white, this being the kamma that ends kamma.[32]
All of the varieties of kamma-results so far described have been limited to the first three categories, white kamma, black kamma, and both white and black kamma, or good kamma and bad kamma. The fourth kind of kamma remains to be explained. Because this fourth kind of kamma has an entirely different result from the first three, it has been given its own separate chapter. -
When awakened we find karmic hindrances fundamentally empty.
But when not awakened, we must repay all our debts.
- Song of Enlightenment -
quote:Originally posted by sinweiy:Understanding karma:
http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Academy/9280/kamma.htm#Contents
Can kamma be erased?
http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Academy/9280/kamma6.htm
The Kamma that Ends Kamma
http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Academy/9280/kamma5.htm
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1. Black kamma, black result.
2. White kamma, white result.
3. Kamma both black and white, result both black and white.
4. Kamma neither black nor white, result neither black nor white, this being the kamma that ends kamma.[32]
All of the varieties of kamma-results so far described have been limited to the first three categories, white kamma, black kamma, and both white and black kamma, or good kamma and bad kamma. The fourth kind of kamma remains to be explained. Because this fourth kind of kamma has an entirely different result from the first three, it has been given its own separate chapter.
sinweiy
i dun agree with what u said , karma is a very complicated entity , if u used
black and white kamma to represent then we might have a book on how to erase karma , so simple , the most important thing for us as buddhist is to practice dilligently and perform as a bodhisattva , not using simple black and white to represent .up to now , i see karma as a impermanence , its existence does not impede us from seeking enlightenment -
learned followers of buddhism ... such PASSIONATE Display of WISDOM ... have never come across before ...
a Deep WELL of knowledge to share ...
although some are not so ... but hey ... we should be patient with those who are still 'blinded' ... -
i am ... i dun meant to offend , but the colour teaching is different from most of the rinpoche is talking abt karma
so i think it is aptly not appropriate
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Saw this paragraph, cool! Something which I've been trying to articulate for a long while.. But didn't manage to get the points across..Originally posted by sinweiy:Understanding karma:
http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Academy/9280/kamma.htm#Contents
Can kamma be erased?
http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Academy/9280/kamma6.htm
The Kamma that Ends Kamma
http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Academy/9280/kamma5.htm
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[b] In the age of personal freedom and the right to self-expression, ethics seem to have been reduced to a matter of personal opinion, social decree or cultural preference. Concepts such as "right" and "wrong," and "good" and "evil," no longer stand on solid ground, and we find ourselves more and more floundering when asked to define them. Are these qualities simply a matter of opinion, or do they have some reality based on natural law? How do they relate to the scientific world of impersonal cause and effect relationships? In the eyes of many, the concepts of good and evil have been reduced to tools for righteous bigotry or political opportunism. This is why it is irksome for so many people to see or hear the word "morality"; the subject is a decidedly boring one for most. In an age when life seems to be offering an endless succession of "cheap thrills," who's interested in restraint? -
Saw this paragraph, cool! Something which I've been trying to articulate for a long while.. But didn't manage to get the points across..Originally posted by sinweiy:Understanding karma:
http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Academy/9280/kamma.htm#Contents
Can kamma be erased?
http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Academy/9280/kamma6.htm
The Kamma that Ends Kamma
http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Academy/9280/kamma5.htm
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In the age of personal freedom and the right to self-expression, ethics seem to have been reduced to a matter of personal opinion, social decree or cultural preference. Concepts such as "right" and "wrong," and "good" and "evil," no longer stand on solid ground, and we find ourselves more and more floundering when asked to define them. Are these qualities simply a matter of opinion, or do they have some reality based on natural law? How do they relate to the scientific world of impersonal cause and effect relationships? In the eyes of many, the concepts of good and evil have been reduced to tools for righteous bigotry or political opportunism. This is why it is irksome for so many people to see or hear the word "morality"; the subject is a decidedly boring one for most. In an age when life seems to be offering an endless succession of "cheap thrills," who's interested in restraint? -
When a question such as this arise, it might be good to refer back to the Noble Eightfold Path:Originally posted by surfer188:Meet problems, need advice of below.
In what true method or direction can guide to termination or complete both good & bad karma?
I have been thinking, Making good create Good. With good conditions, self may not have right views. Blind self. How to create balance? A good example is the KNF story verse "His salary is peanuts." Being in good conditions all the time that's why blinded from the true.
Making bad create bad. Bad conditions arises also blinding self from right truth. Good example is "No matter how much I donate, I still cannot get anything from lucky draw or something free. Why still need to donate?"
How to untie both?
Right Understanding
Right Thought
Right Speech
Right Action
Right Livelihood
Right Effort
Right Mindfulness
Right Concentration
For the NKF example,
Prior to the scandals, if you donate because you want to help kidney patients, you are illustrating Right Thought and Right Action. However, if you donate because of the lucky draw, you demonstrated only Right Action (your money will still help the kidney patients) but not Right Thought, since your intentions are towards self-gratification.
I believe actions itself is fluid. What's more important are the intentions behind the actions. It is from these intentions which we should consider whether we are gaining good/bad karma. -
Originally posted by bohiruci:
Amtf bohiruci,
i dun agree with what u said , karma is a very complicated entity , if u used
black and white kamma to represent then we might have a book on how to erase karma , so simple , the most important thing for us as buddhist is to practice dilligently and perform as a bodhisattva , not using simple black and white to represent .up to now , i see karma as a impermanence , its existence does not impede us from seeking enlightenment [/b][/b]
yes, but the black and white kamma analogy is directly spoken by Buddha.
if u read the sutta."Bhikkhus, there are these four kinds of kamma ... What is black kamma, black result? Some people in this world are given to killing, given to stealing, given to sexual infidelity, given to lying, given to drinking intoxicants which lead to heedlessness. This is called black kamma, black result.
all the links are from a very well known monk. pls be careful not to slander.
"Bhikkhus, what is white kamma, white result? Some people in this world dwell aloof from killing, aloof from stealing, aloof from sexual infidelity, aloof from lying, aloof from the drinking of intoxicants which lead to heedlessness. This is called white kamma, white result.
"Bhikkhus, what is kamma both back and white with result both black and white? Some people in this world create actions through body ... speech ... mind which are both harmful and not harmful. This is called 'kamma both black and white with result both black and white.'
"Bhikkhus, what is kamma neither black nor white, with result neither black nor white, which leads to the cessation of kamma? Within those three kinds of kamma, the intention to abandon (those kinds of kamma), this is called the kamma which is neither black nor white, with result neither black nor white, which leads to the ending of kamma."[40] A.II.233 (A.21/235/318 ) Anguttara-nikaya
Good, Evil and Beyond
Kamma in the Buddha's Teaching
http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Academy/9280/kamma.htm#Contents
P. A. Payutto
Translated by Bruce Evans
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Actually, 'black' and 'white' karma simply means virtuous/unvirtuous karma.
Virtuous karma leads to the 3 higher realms, unvirtuous karma leads one to the 3 lower realms, Pure Karma leads one to Buddha lands/pure lands/nirvana. Therefore as a Buddhist, we should practise purification, and accumulate Pure Karma. -
Or wholesome and unwholesome.Originally posted by An Eternal Now:Actually, 'black' and 'white' karma simply means virtuous/unvirtuous karma.
Virtuous karma leads to the 3 higher realms, unvirtuous karma leads one to the 3 lower realms, Pure Karma leads one to Buddha lands/pure lands/nirvana. Therefore as a Buddhist, we should practise purification, and accumulate Pure Karma.
and yes, Pure Karma in chinese term is called Jing4 ye4.
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'blinded'?
I didnt noe in Buddhism there is this segregation of people... -
yes u can present the mahjima nikaya on karma perspective , but i sure u have read on the mahayana and vajrayana concept rite
i am a mahayana , i reference to the Buddha said of the karmic difference sutra
fo shuo ye bao cha bie jing
whichever way u see , black and white karma
i am not slandering the dharma
karma is a entity spoken on different occasion
u must understand the different occasion Buddha said
of the karma and it difference ,not stick to one
if one is the case to explain karma
y do Buddha said of the emptiness(prajna) teaching in 10 occasion
one on the occasion of Avalokiteshvara
one on the prescence of a king
and so on so forth .. please do not misinterprete my meaning ,no one going against the Buddhadharma .
see the karma from all perspective ,including the vajrayana buddhism or
u are just seeing half of the whole picture
thanks and regards to sinweiy
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Amtf bohiruci,
You have great potential. keep it Up!
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no no sinweiy , i just doing my best to share ...
sorrie if u find my language strong , i just more particular to hope ppl will understand aspect of buddhism in a broad view
i am without attainment , maybe we come back to the thread at hand
yes , donate to nkf is a good thing , but the enticement of cars and condo increase the "bad karma" in the process ,
in laymen terms , to dig up one place of sand to fill another , which the nkf shouldnt have embark on .
well, things are over ,we just hope ppl give our nkf their support
as in many years of helping kidney patient .
let go , accord with condition , buddha recitation , purity , see thru beyond life ,sincerity
Namo Amituofo
Homage to the Great Guide of the Western Paradise and the Lotus
Assembly of Buddhas and Bodhisattva
Om Ami Dewa hrih
Namo Amitabha -
Humble is good.
The Teaching of Great Master Yin Guang
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�@�@Whether one is a layperson or has left the home-life, one should respect elders and be harmonious to those surrounding him. One should endure what others cannot, and practice what others cannot achieve. One should take others' difficulties unto oneself and help them succeed in their undertakings. While sitting quietly, one should often reflect upon one's own faults, and when chatting with friends, one should not discuss the rights and wrongs of others.
�@�@In every action one makes, whether dressing or eating, from dawn to dusk and dusk 'till dawn, one should not cease to recite the Buddha's name. Aside from Buddha recitation, whether reciting quietly or silently, one should not give rise to other improper thoughts. If wandering thoughts appear, one should immediately dismiss them. Constantly maintain a humble and repentful heart; even if one has upheld true cultivation, one should still feel one's practice is shallow and never boast. One should mind one's own business and not the business of others. Only look after the good examples of others instead of bad ones. One should see oneself as mundane and everyone else as Bodhisattvas. If one can cultivate according to these teachings, one is sure to reach the Western Pure Land of Ultimate Bliss. Homage to Amitabha! Amitabha!
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ps: btw, Buddha said, don't think that what we believe is right, until we have reached arahathood.