to the creator, karma is a piece of cake ...so there is no karma to the creatorOriginally posted by hugofriend:If there is a creator, then the creator is definitely subjected to Cause and Effect (Karma).
There must be a reason why he/she creates (Cause) and the outcome is our existence (Effect). If there is no reason why he/she creates, then his/her action in creating us will be the Cause and today our world will be the Effect. No matter how you think about it, Karma (Cause and Effect) still involve.
Everyone/thing is subjected to Karma, even the creator (if he/she does exist). And since he/she is subjected to Karma, then I do not see how he/she is different from us (Aside from his power and that he/she can does thing that we cannot). However, at the end of the day, he/she still needs to bear responsibility.
If I am wrong, please correct me.
Thanks.
Ask yourself how old is the element in your body exist in the world?Originally posted by maggot:Then what created the creator?
Then what created the one that created the creator?
Then what created the one that created the one that created the creator?
And so on...oh I have confused myself...![]()
Actually time is just a measurement...we are just moving from 1 state to anotherOriginally posted by Rig:Ask yourself how old is the element in your body exist in the world?
My answer is the element in me is the same age as the oldest creater's element. The element just happen to combine and transform the oldest creater in the time scale far far before us. As we are just happen to be combine and transform into our shape in the present time.
As why we are here, it is just because we want to be here as what we are and how are we are. Its the best form available for us for the cause that we might have created in the last life or form.
If you do not want to be here, simple just stop breathing that all will end your life here.
I thot once Buddha break away from the cycle of life and death, karma will not affect him anymore? Since he's not in the realm of sufferings anymore?Originally posted by namelessness:Someone asked MKY: Does Buddha bear no cause and effect?
MKY said: I emphasize cause and effect only to you, not to Buddha. It would be so ridiculous to say to Buddha: You must beware of cause and effect.
There is no such thing as the 'oldest creator' as old as time - etc. Everything is interdependant originated, conditioned arisings... there is no Creator. There is no beginning.Originally posted by Rig:[quote]Originally posted by An Eternal Now:
[b]You are right, time is just a measurement. But strictly speaking .... there is no time. Why is that so?
But for us just take it as a time measurement and accept it. How many of us can ignore time? Seem like none not even buddha, he also use time measurement. Nature has to take its course and for us mankind we can only pinpoint by dimension, location, time,event.
Everything is emptyness including word, thinking, time, event. But the state after emptyness is solid, liquid gases and then next state of emptyness and so forth. Nothing is correct and nothing is incorrect subjected to the factor of what we call time, dimension, location and event.
yes, but never say He rejected the power of karma.Originally posted by earthlings73:I thot once Buddha break away from the cycle of life and death, karma will not affect him anymore? Since he's not in the realm of sufferings anymore?But that does not mean that Buddha is the creator. I can't recall Buddhism talking about creation leh.
Allow me to clarify my post:Originally posted by sinweiy:yes, but never say He rejected the power of karma.
There's a Brahma god asked Buddha, "Your abilities are so powerful. Is there
something that's more powerful than your abilities?" The Buddha
replied, "Yes, the force of karma is more powerful. In years to come,
I shall pass away too. So you see the force of karma. However our
force of promise/vow are even stronger than the force of karma. Why?
This is because the force of promise/vow is what started the force of
karma. The force of karma only multiple from our force of
promise/vow. To promise to attain Buddhahood is a pure vow. Hence
pure vow can also over come impure karma. However this pure vow has
to be non-stopped as karma has took over our control. If we stop our
pure vow, karma will grow back. Moreover, our pure vow can make even
more powerful when we combine it with Amitabha's 48 vows.
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Yes. Another note: when the Buddha is still alive, he is in 'Nirvana with residue', when he passes away, his Dharmakaya (dharma body) does not pass away, and that is 'Nirvana without reside'. Buddha is liberated from the cycle of samsaric rebirth. However, even though the Buddha can feel/is aware if there is pain, he will not suffer. He is freed from sufferings in this life.Originally posted by earthlings73:Allow me to clarify my post:
Once Buddha entered Nirvana, he's out of the 6 realms right? Between enlightenment and Nirvana, he will still be subjected to the law of karma, but not when he had gotten out of the cycle of birth, death and rebirth (which leads to sufferings) right?
neither yes nor no and all the above.Originally posted by earthlings73:Allow me to clarify my post:
Once Buddha entered Nirvana, he's out of the 6 realms right? Between enlightenment and Nirvana, he will still be subjected to the law of karma, but not when he had gotten out of the cycle of birth, death and rebirth (which leads to sufferings) right?
Yes... i understand what you mean.. and I don't mean to say that they are the same.Originally posted by Eye in the Sky:Cause and Effect is the essence producing TIME. When a Cause is caused, an effect follows afterwards ... resulting in an event of time.
When the resulting Effect becomes the Cause itself, another Effect or Effects gave birth, resulting in a more Time events, be it constructive or destructive events, which give birth to future timelines, some could even be looping back on itself, creating infinite Cause-Effect events. The latter events are often termed TIMELESS events, because they keep occurring for Eternity. TIMELESS events are not to be confused with events without an element of the Time dimension.
Can Cause and Effect exist simultaneously together or is there a state of co-existence of Cause and Effect? Meaning ... what happens when neither Cause nor Effect takes precedence? I believe it exists. Yes, it becomes a Singularity event! It becomes a pure TIMELESS event, an event without a dimension of Time, an event where Time has no meaning.
What happens at the Singularity or what is it? It's a resuting state of Nirvana from the realisation of Enlightenment - convergence of Cause and Effect!
Just my two cents worth ...