This is from Tian Tai School, it's deep indeed. i used to be confused, now it's more clear. the one i post at esangha is incorrect about arahats. it should be:Originally posted by An Eternal Now:Fifty-two Positions in the Process of Cultivation
This sect adopted the fifty-two positions of Bodhisattva in the process of his cultivation, as stipulated in the Commentary of Mahaprajna Paramitas.
These positions were established in accordance with the teaching of the Common Truth. They are: Ten Faith, Ten Dwelling, Ten Behavioral Activities, Ten Transference, Ten Stages, and Samyaksambodhi (Absolute Universal Enlightenment) as the 51st , and lastly the Wonderful Enlightenment, which is actually the position of Buddhahood.
37 Prerequisites of Enlightenment? (37 Dao Ping) I have read about all of them before... in fa yu bing fen book written by my master. It is the path to Nirvana, but not necessarily means the path to Buddhahood. You can find it in Theravada too.Originally posted by bohiruci:the 52 stage of a Bodhisattva is too deep
maybe u will like to know about the gradual steps
in Mahayana we have from the 37 chapter of practice
4 noble truth ,
noble eightfold paths
7 bodhi branch
5 root
5 energy
and so on ...care to continue on that![]()
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A bodhisattva can be any ordinary person on the road....![]()
I see, thanks for your explanation!Originally posted by sinweiy:This is from Tian Tai School, it's deep indeed. i used to be confused, now it's more clear. the one i post at esangha is incorrect about arahats. it should be:
Normal arahats are only rank 7th faith (Protection of the Truth )
and Pratyekabuddha are rank 8th faith (Reflexive power )
from 1st Dwelling onward, one would have puo yi pi wu ming(severed a piece of unknown/ignorance, altogether 42 pieces) and one will be out of the 4 noble realms, and one's a Real Buddha. There they will dwell in One True Realm(yi zhen fa jie).
There's a kind of person(bodhisattva), well study, and passing the exam(nirvana) is not a problem for them. But they are really helpful(compassionate) by failing a little (keep a bit of karma)of the test, so as to remain in the class(samsara) in order to help those (sentient beings)that are less studied. If they were to graduate, we(sentient being) will be helpless. This is the Best Bodhisattva/Buddha ideal.
Real Bodhisattvas should be holding Nirvana in control (ie at least a 47th-48th Bhumi/a non-retrogressor). Buddha might not wish that one cannot control nirvana and retrogress for infinity/countless aeons!
It's said Bodhisattva takes 3 Mahakaplas to reach Buddhahood. And it's from the 1st to the last 52th stage! And if were to count before the 1st stage will mean countless kalpas, due to the fact of retrogression!
In terms of 52 stages of bodhisattva: It'll take 1 Mahakalpa to reach from 1st stage to 40th stage! And 1 Mahakalpa to reach 47th stage. 1 more Mahakalpa to reach 51 stage. (The higher the harder it goes)
so to speak.
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do not distort the teachings ,it is also for mahayanaOriginally posted by An Eternal Now:37 Prerequisites of Enlightenment? (37 Dao Ping) I have read about all of them before... in fa yu bing fen book written by my master. It is the path to Nirvana, but not necessarily means the path to Buddhahood. You can find it in Theravada too.
Whether or not the path is the way to Buddhahood depends on how the person practise it, isn't it? Like I said, 37 prerequisites of enlightenment is the path to Nirvana, but no Bodhicitta, still cannot attain Buddhahood.Originally posted by bohiruci:do not distort the teachings ,it is also for mahayana
and it is given by sakyamuni Buddha ,do not post when you have the slightest idea of u are malicing the Buddhadharma
like many have said ,if you know
have ze fa fen(the stage of choosing a practice ) u wont anyhow said anything![]()
first . let me put a gentle note , not flaming u or watOriginally posted by An Eternal Now:Whether or not the path is the way to Buddhahood depends on how the person practise it, isn't it? Like I said, 37 prerequisites of enlightenment is the path to Nirvana, but no Bodhicitta, still cannot attain Buddhahood.
Hope this clear things up
Originally posted by bohiruci:From my understandings, Zen, 6th Patriarch, is taking the Sudden Awakening path and not the Gradual path. The 37 prerequisites of enlightenment is a gradual path. However to say that we can totally ignore is also incorrect. Not everyone has the capacity to practise the sudden path, I must say that even I am a gradual person, otherwise I would have been awakened by now, isn't it? However we should not mix them up together.
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first . let me put a gentle note , not flaming u or wat
i dun carry a lighter
according to ven shin hong ,our MCK disciple
he said Chinese Mahayana not stressing much on Bodhicitta
even 6th Patriach and Chan Sect in China
the point is to see your true nature
and u will gain enlightenment
If you just paid more attention to Mahayana scripture ,you will not find alot of reference on making the Bodhi vowsMy purpose for posting the 52 stages of Bodhisattva is not bcos it is chim, but to give people a general understanding of Bodhisattva cultivation, as I have seldom posted anything on Mahayana. I am not a Bodhisattva, so if they want to practise, they should also find a Bodhisattva teacher.
whereas for 52 stage of Bodhisattva
dont quote becos u think it is deep
By the way, if you have an english version of the 37 chapter, I would appreciate if you post it up on the forums to benefit everyoneOriginally posted by bohiruci:the 52 stage of a Bodhisattva is too deep
maybe u will like to know about the gradual steps
in Mahayana we have from the 37 chapter of practice
4 noble truth ,
noble eightfold paths
7 bodhi branch
5 root
5 energy
and so on ...care to continue on that![]()
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A bodhisattva can be any ordinary person on the road....![]()
oh no, Sorry, big Correction:Originally posted by sinweiy:It's said Bodhisattva takes 3 Mahakaplas to reach Buddhahood. And it's from the 1st to the last 52th stage! And if were to count before the 1st stage will mean countless kalpas, due to the fact of retrogression!
In terms of 52 stages of bodhisattva: It'll take 1 Mahakalpa to reach from 1st stage to 40th stage! And 1 Mahakalpa to reach 47th stage. 1 more Mahakalpa to reach 51 stage. (The higher the harder it goes)
Originally posted by sinweiy:Wow, thanks for the correction.. hope everyone will quickly attain Enlightenment!
oh no, Sorry, big Correction:
From Yuan Jiao(Complete teaching) it's say that "Bodhisattva takes 3 [b]Great Asamkhyeyas to reach Buddhahood" is actually counted from 11st Dwelling to 51th Samyaksambodhi (Absolute Universal Enlightenment).
1st Asamkhyeya to cultivate from 11st Dwelling to 40th Transference stage.
2nd Asamkhyeya to cultivate from 41st Stage to 47th Stage.
3rd Asamkhyeya to cultivate from 48th Stage to 51th Samyaksambodhi (Absolute Universal Enlightenment).
51th Samyaksambodhi (Absolute Universal Enlightenment) to lastly the Wonderful Enlightenment, might take a least 1 more Asamkhyeya!
And before all this, it is countless Asamkhyeya(10^59), due to retrogression.
ref
http://bj2.netsh.com/bbs/61756/27/16735.html
http://asp.6to23.com/xhmy/xfyd/sljz/jxj-39.htm
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Originally posted by An Eternal Now:Wow, thanks for the correction.. hope everyone will quickly attain Enlightenment!
Moreover, Shariputra, the living beings born in the Land of Utmost Happiness are all avaivartika. Among them are many who in this very life will dwell in Buddhahood. Their number is extremely many; it is incalculable. And only in measureless, limitless asamkyeyas of kalpas could they be counted. --Amitabha Sutraavaivartika = non-retrogressor = 8th Bhumi (aka 48th stage/ground!).
I think that is when the lotus flower opens and they see Amitabha and realise non-birth.Originally posted by sinweiy:avaivartika = non-retrogressor = 8th Bhumi (aka 48th stage/ground!).
one straight away start from 8th Bhumi to buddhahood. before that, Amitabha Buddha had took care of it already.
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lowest inferior grade in Amitabha's PL will take 12 great kalpas. that's very rare for evil commitors. up a level, the medium inferior grade take just 6 kalpas. and up another level, higher inferior grade take seven weeks.Originally posted by An Eternal Now:I think that is when the lotus flower opens and they see Amitabha and realise non-birth.
If their pure land grade is lower, it is a very very long time before they will see Amitabha...
"The sentient beings in the highest level of the lowest grade of rebirth are those who have committed myriad evil acts.......After seven weeks, the lotus flower opens. .....http://www.cloudwater.org/visualization.html#The%20Lowest%20Grade
"These are called the sentient beings in the highest level of the lowest grade of rebirth....After six aeons pass, the lotus flowers unfold. ...(snip)...
"The sentient beings in the lowest level of the lowest grade of rebirth are those who commit such evil acts as the five grave offenses and the ten transgressions, and are burdened with various kinds of evil. ....."After twelve great aeons the lotus flower opens...---Comtemplation Sutra
from MCK, pls read or search to read ”ª’n:Originally posted by An Eternal Now:I did some contemplation on this and this is what I feel:
Avaivartika means non-retrogression. This means everyone who is reborned in Pure Land will not fall back to Samsara as a Sentient Being, but only with the possibility of going back to Samsara as a Bodhisattva (cheng yuan zai lai).
I do not think Avaivartika in this case should be equated to whichever bhumi stages, because Pure Land is special - even lower grades are already non-retrogression. This applies to everyone - even those who are still in Lotus flower and have not seen Amitabha nor realised Non-birth yet. If beings who have not realised Non-birth can be considered as 8th Bhumi, then I think something is really wrong.
Sorry if you disagree with my interpretation, but this is how I see it
QUOTESince the number of living beings who had attain Buddhahood in Amitabha PL are more than those that are not. And that Amitabha realized Buddhahood, ten kalpas ago. thus for the first kalpa, beings had all attain Buddhahood. So is the second, third, fourth, fifth and sixth kalpa, in order to be more. From this we can conclude that Beings only need about 3 to 4 kalpas to attain Buddhahood in Amitabha PL!!
"Moreover, Shariputra, those living beings born in the land of Ultimate Bliss are all Avaivartika. Among them are many who in this very life will dwell in Buddhahood. Their number is extremely many. It is incalculable and only in measureless, limitless Asankhyeya kalpas could it be spoken."
yes,Originally posted by An Eternal Now:Attain Amitabha PL is yuan zhen shan bu tui(Attain all 3 kind of non-retrogress.
Does staying in the lotus mean attain Amitabha PL?
The Bodhisattva Maitreya said to the Buddha, "World-Honored One, how many non-retrogressive bodhisattvas are there in this world who will be born in that Buddha-land?"http://www.anzwers.org/free/chinkung/largersutra1.html
The Buddha replied, "Sixty-seven kotis of non-retrogressive bodhisattvas from this world will be born there. --Infinity Life Sutra