Thomas Yeo the meditator
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Professor Chen? hmm... that I never heard before.Originally posted by Suicine:I doubt thomas yeo was doing buddhist meditation. The show also didn't say that. He trained under a "professor chen" or something. -
yes, when the brother go and confront the 'guru' (who lived in a bungalow!), he at first refuse to acknowledge Thomas Yeo as his student. then the brother said, if not, why he called to look for him. then he was lost for word and told the brother to go away.
the show also show he had quarrel with his family members. he became isolating from life. he quit his job. their family also was scare and thought he 'zuo huo ru mo' (turn into path of demonic)...the brothers later found a book on meditation in his room. they found the word 'yi si ke jue' (escape/move away from worldly) and felt uneasy. 'yi si ke jue' should not be understand from the outside meaning. it should mean renouncing from the inside.
maybe right, it didn't say that he was on 'buddhist' meditation. still, people can easily related to buddhism or yogic or hinduism(?).
heard X'tian also got meditation already.
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Yes, meditation is very general and does not necessarily mean Buddhist.Originally posted by sinweiy:yes, when the brother go and confront the 'guru' (who lived in a bungalow!), he at first refuse to acknowledge Thomas Yeo as his student. then the brother said, if not, why he called to look for him. then he was lost for word and told the brother to go away.
the show also show he had quarrel with his family members. he became isolating from life. he quit his job. their family also was scare and thought he 'zuo huo ru mo' (turn into path of demonic)...the brothers later found a book on meditation in his room. they found the word 'yi si ke jue' (escape/move away from worldly) and felt uneasy. 'yi si ke jue' should not be understand from the outside meaning. it should mean renouncing from the inside.
maybe right, it didn't say that he was on 'buddhist' meditation. still, people can easily related to buddhism or yogic or hinduism(?).
heard X'tian also got meditation already.
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but buddhism teaches all there is no absolute truth. hw can u test it based on some truths? physical forms, lights and recite buddha's name in the aim to dispel demonic forces r no longer the buddhism it meant to be.Originally posted by sinweiy:here's info on demonic realms when mediating:
51) Discussion on Demonic Realms
http://www.ymba.org/BWF/bwf73.htm#demonicrealms
As indicated above, sometimes the Buddha Recitation practitioner sees marks and forms which could actually be demonic realms. These are instances where cause and effect do not correspond. For example, while visualizing the physical features of Amitabha Buddha, a practitioner may suddenly see the features of a beautiful woman. Another cultivator, diligently reciting the Buddha's name in the hope of seeing auspicious scenes of the Pure Land, may unexpectedly see a slum area, with men, women and domestic animals running back and forth in all directions. Yet another practitioner, hoping to see precious lotus blossoms in the Pure Land, suddenly sees a small cart instead. These are demonic realms, as cause and effect do not correspond.
There are five criteria that can help us determine which events are real and which belong to the demonic realms.
1. Instances where cause and effect do not correspond (such as visualizing one mark but seeing another, hoping to see one realm but seeing another), as well as scenes and realms that do not resemble those described in the sutras, are all demonic realms.
2. Buddhas and Bodhisattvas have pure compassion; therefore, even if they take the appearance of "demons" to test us, we still feel calm, at peace and pure. Demons, on the contrary, are inherently evil and wicked; thus, even when they take the appearance of Buddhas and Bodhisattvas, we feel agitated, angry and uneasy.
3. The Buddhas' light makes us feel calm and refreshed; it has neither shadow nor a blinding effect on the eye. The light of demons, on the other hand, affects our eyes and makes us feel agitated rather than calm and peaceful; it also has shadows. The reference to the Buddhas' light in the Lankavatara Sutra illustrates this point.
4. The teachings of the Buddhas and Bodhisattvas are in accord with the sutras and the truth. The words of demons are contrary to the truth and not in line with the sutras' teachings.
5. When an auspicious mark appears, the practitioner who wishes to test it need only concentrate on reciting the Heart Sutra with a pure mind, or reciting a mantra or the Buddha's name with one-pointedness of mind. If the mark really is auspicious, the more he recites, the clearer it becomes, because genuine gold is not harmed by fire. If it belongs to the demonic realm, it disappears as he recites, because evil can never withstand the truth.
We should judge events by all five of the above criteria, not just one or two. This is because there are many celestial demons, externalist deities and Immortals who want to lead us their way and therefore falsely take the appearance of Buddhas and Bodhisattvas preaching the Dharma. Although their cultivation is not the ultimate Way leading to liberation, they may have good karma or a fairly high level of samadhi. Thus, their "light" can also make us feel refreshed and peaceful. Moreover, their teachings at times also encourage the performance of good deeds, keeping the precepts, vegetarianism and Buddha Recitation. However, they diverge from the Buddhist sutras on certain crucial points [such as the need to escape Birth and Death]. Only by exercising careful judgement and understanding the Dharma in depth are we able to know.
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the post by sinweiy below seems superstitious to me.Originally posted by An Eternal Now:Don't be so superstitious la.
Anyway I really doubt it is anything supernatural.
There are so many cases of people gone missing in Singapore. Many of them happened recently. Some of them drowned, etc. -
In the beginning, I had to deny that there is any 'supernatural' influence because there is no such indications (as I have not watched the show). But afterwards, it seems that there are certain indications of 'supernatural' influences.Originally posted by NT2:the post by sinweiy below seems superstitious to me.
But still I doubt it must be the answer. Because cannot be that there is no trace of even his physical body. Anyway much remains to be looked into. -
don't belief in ghosts?Originally posted by NT2:the post by sinweiy below seems superstitious to me.
my master also when beginning learning Buddhism also sceptical about this things. but when deeper one learn into Dharma, this things become quite common and in fact are real. there were another teacher also told him not to bother about these parts of Budhism, but later also believe eventually. because at certain level, such encounters are offen.
that say superstitious is one thing but superstition of superstition is also another form of superstition or doubt/yi2 of the 5 posions. people keep saying hey, this is superstition, that is superstition, but never they see themselve as superstition of superstition. what make's one so sure, he/she is right in the first place?
know that if one is in the state of not knowing or delusive, then no matter what he/she accept to belief or reject to belief, he/she is still under a delusive-state. hence don't belief can also be superstition.
it's when one who reached a stated of penetrating wisdom, seeing things as they are, right understanding and right view or Acknowledge state of mind that what ever he/she accept to belief and reject to belief, he/she is under the state of Affirmation wisdom.
so don't think one's not 'brain wash' also by the media/science/education when we grow up from a little child. that's say not until you reached an arahat then can you truly believe or trust oneself.
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he probably got lost or something
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then how to explain the sniff dogs sweeping the whole isle not once but several times. they also suspect he went to Thailand to become a monk, as the show also show a person calling their house without speaking during chinese new year a few times. hmm..Originally posted by WiNtEr'SkiLL:he probably got lost or something
or fell into a cave ?
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How long ago was this news?
And it is in Thailand?
Thomas Yeo...hmm, better not be Thomas Yeo Chin Hee my primary school principal -
it was a documentry in spore channel 8/u dated as long as the first post dated. but the case could be few years already. Thomas Yeo was a S'porean.Originally posted by laurence82:How long ago was this news?
And it is in Thailand?
Thomas Yeo...hmm, better not be Thomas Yeo Chin Hee my primary school principal
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Hair and nails are left behind because these parts have no nerves. It is very very hard to realise consciousness within these parts... therefore very hard to convert to lightbody/rainbowbody form.Originally posted by sinweiy:for what i know in Tibetan/Vajrayana, there are high cultivator who can mediate and wang sheng (depart) leaving behind only their hair as sharira. Their entire body just turn into a beam of light and leave samsara, just like that. no physical body is left behind!
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well, was only giving example of some who wish to leave it as sharira/relic for the followers. there are also those that not even that particular strand of hair(also note: it's not the whole hair) are left behind.Originally posted by longchen:Hair and nails are left behind because these parts have no nerves. It is very very hard to realise consciousness within these parts... therefore very hard to convert to lightbody/rainbowbody form.
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Hi Sinweiy,Originally posted by sinweiy:well, was only giving example of some who wish to leave it as sharira/relic for the followers. there are also those that not even that particular strand of hair(also note: it's not the whole hair) are left behind.
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Just pointing out... no offence.
Rainbow body is really a very interesting topic...
. So far only very few masters can completely transfer without leaving anything at all... such as Padmasambava and Garab Dorje.
Interestingly, the rainbowbody is trans-religion. There are cases in Bon, Christianity and Taoism as well. -
Bon has been intergrated to become part of Tibetan Buddhism.Originally posted by longchen:Hi Sinweiy,
Just pointing out... no offence.
Rainbow body is really a very interesting topic... . So far only very few masters can completely transfer without leaving anything at all... such as Padmasambava and Garab Dorje.
Interestingly, the rainbowbody is trans-religion. There are cases in Bon, Christianity and Taoism as well.
As for Christianity and Taoism, I have not heard before. Can you tell me more? Is it really the same? -
11 years already.Originally posted by laurence82:How long ago was this news?
And it is in Thailand?
Thomas Yeo...hmm, better not be Thomas Yeo Chin Hee my primary school principal -
Dear Brothers and Sisters,Originally posted by An Eternal Now:Bon has been intergrated to become part of Tibetan Buddhism.
As for Christianity and Taoism, I have not heard before. Can you tell me more? Is it really the same?
My father has a Taoist master whose lineage goes back to Chang San Feng... They were aware of the rainbow body although Taoist terminology is very different.
Here's a Taoist link.
http://www.universal-tao.com/tao/goals_of_healing_tao.html
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There are also two levels in this practice.
1. At this first level, one transfers all physical essence into the immortal body. Taoists refer to this as the Yang body. One continues to transform the physical body energy to feed the immortal spirit so it can mature. When all the body's material elements are transformed into subtle Chi, what remains is known as the "rainbow body". Death is still necessary to speed up the process. Many masters who attained this immortal body were able to transform the material into immaterial and transfer it into the spirit body. At the moment of death, they were able to transfer their consciousness, their energy, and the physical elements of their bodies up with them into the spirit body, although even this level is not yet the true immortal body. In this process, their physical bodies actually shrank in size; they may have weighed two-thirds of their usual weight after their physical deaths occurred. This meant they had successfully transformed much of their material being into an immaterial state while retaining full consciousness.
2. At the second level, death is transcended entirely. One can simply transform the physical body into the immortal body and leave this world or return to it at will. This is the state of complete physical immortality. It takes from eighty to a few hundred years to complete these practices and transform all the material elements of our body into the immaterial. The final goal of ascending to heaven in broad daylight is reached. There are many records in Chinese history of many thousands of Taoist immortals who reached the level of daylight ascension in the presence of many witnesses. In the Bible. Elijah and Moses also accomplished this feat. In the final stage of this practice, the adept can unite the immortal spirit body, the energy body, and the physical body, or operate them at will. It is then that the human being knows full and complete freedom as an immortal, where no world has a boundary.[/url][/i] -
Makes me wonder who created us...Originally posted by longchen:Dear Brothers and Sisters,
My father has a Taoist master whose lineage goes back to Chang San Feng... They were aware of the rainbow body although Taoist terminology is very different.
Here's a Taoist link.
http://www.universal-tao.com/tao/goals_of_healing_tao.html
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There are also two levels in this practice.
1. At this first level, one transfers all physical essence into the immortal body. Taoists refer to this as the Yang body. One continues to transform the physical body energy to feed the immortal spirit so it can mature. When all the body's material elements are transformed into subtle Chi, what remains is known as the "rainbow body". Death is still necessary to speed up the process. Many masters who attained this immortal body were able to transform the material into immaterial and transfer it into the spirit body. At the moment of death, they were able to transfer their consciousness, their energy, and the physical elements of their bodies up with them into the spirit body, although even this level is not yet the true immortal body. In this process, their physical bodies actually shrank in size; they may have weighed two-thirds of their usual weight after their physical deaths occurred. This meant they had successfully transformed much of their material being into an immaterial state while retaining full consciousness.
2. At the second level, death is transcended entirely. One can simply transform the physical body into the immortal body and leave this world or return to it at will. This is the state of complete physical immortality. It takes from eighty to a few hundred years to complete these practices and transform all the material elements of our body into the immaterial. The final goal of ascending to heaven in broad daylight is reached. There are many records in Chinese history of many thousands of Taoist immortals who reached the level of daylight ascension in the presence of many witnesses. In the Bible. Elijah and Moses also accomplished this feat. In the final stage of this practice, the adept can unite the immortal spirit body, the energy body, and the physical body, or operate them at will. It is then that the human being knows full and complete freedom as an immortal, where no world has a boundary.[/url][/i] -
Wow, very interestingOriginally posted by longchen:Dear Brothers and Sisters,
My father has a Taoist master whose lineage goes back to Chang San Feng... They were aware of the rainbow body although Taoist terminology is very different.
Here's a Taoist link.
http://www.universal-tao.com/tao/goals_of_healing_tao.html
Quote...
There are also two levels in this practice.
1. At this first level, one transfers all physical essence into the immortal body. Taoists refer to this as the Yang body. One continues to transform the physical body energy to feed the immortal spirit so it can mature. When all the body's material elements are transformed into subtle Chi, what remains is known as the "rainbow body". Death is still necessary to speed up the process. Many masters who attained this immortal body were able to transform the material into immaterial and transfer it into the spirit body. At the moment of death, they were able to transfer their consciousness, their energy, and the physical elements of their bodies up with them into the spirit body, although even this level is not yet the true immortal body. In this process, their physical bodies actually shrank in size; they may have weighed two-thirds of their usual weight after their physical deaths occurred. This meant they had successfully transformed much of their material being into an immaterial state while retaining full consciousness.
2. At the second level, death is transcended entirely. One can simply transform the physical body into the immortal body and leave this world or return to it at will. This is the state of complete physical immortality. It takes from eighty to a few hundred years to complete these practices and transform all the material elements of our body into the immaterial. The final goal of ascending to heaven in broad daylight is reached. There are many records in Chinese history of many thousands of Taoist immortals who reached the level of daylight ascension in the presence of many witnesses. In the Bible. Elijah and Moses also accomplished this feat. In the final stage of this practice, the adept can unite the immortal spirit body, the energy body, and the physical body, or operate them at will. It is then that the human being knows full and complete freedom as an immortal, where no world has a boundary.[/url][/i]
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Lao Tzu is also an enlightened being (my master and master han shan says he belongs to the 'Pratyekabuddha' catergory), and Thusness also agrees. The Tao that Lao Tzu spoke of, and the Buddhist Tao is essentially the same. Thusness used to to have an experienced Taoist master too I heard.Originally posted by maggot:Makes me wonder who created us...
The problem with Taoism nowadays is, I believe, too mixed with spirit practises/spirit mediumship. The spirit written in the webpage is different from the spirit I am talking about.
However other than Lao Tzu, I am not sure if there are anyone else as enlightened as him (as in Taoism). My Master says probably only Lao Tzu is fully enlightened. Thusness also agrees. I ask him what's his views of Chuang Tzu then, he seems to suggest, not complete.
[23:09] hi
[23:09] u used to say lao tzu was enlightened rite?
[23:09] yes
[23:10] how about chuang tzu?
[23:10] and did tao te ching teach impermanence, conditioned arising, etc?
[23:10] not as precise like buddhism. Buddhism almost make it a science.
[23:10] oic
[23:11] then how about chuang tzu
[23:11] the steps are so precise.
[23:11] ya
[23:11] true.. tao te ching is so short
[23:11] do u read chuang tzu teachings?
[23:11] chuang tzu is different, only the no-doing aspect until luminosity is clear.
[23:12] icic
[23:12] so
[23:12] but lao-tze is deep and profound. What really has been spoken.
[23:12] is there anyone else in taoism as enlightened as lao tzu
[23:12] icic..
[23:12] nothing really only the 5000 words.
[23:19] even with all our experience when reading the text, will make us feel shallow.
[23:19] will put us into stillness and at once in line with Tao.
[23:19] The Thusness simply flows.
[23:20] it is a different approach. But not to belittle tao de jing.
Tao Te Ching -
Anyway regarding the ascension to heavens, it might not be necessary that he is liberated even though he has ascended to the heavens.
Even if a person reaches the level of the Anagami, non-returner (3rd out of 4th stage of sainthood - Arhant is 4th stage), it is likely that he will ascend to the 4th Brahma realm, and from there, attain liberation.
It is also likely that many of those sages ascend to the heavens by their practise and virtues.
By looking at http://www.accesstoinsight.org/ptf/dhamma/sagga/loka.html, Five out of Seven abodes of the 4th Jhana Planes are only accessible to Anagamis (non-returners) and Arhants.
But even when the Anagami rose to 4th Brahma plane, it still isn't liberation yet.
Now let us look into Maha-parinibbana Sutta
How the Blessed One Passed into Nibbana
9. And the Blessed One entered the first jhana. Rising from the first jhana, he entered the second jhana. Rising from the second jhana, he entered the third jhana. Rising from the third jhana, he entered the fourth jhana. And rising out of the fourth jhana, he entered the sphere of infinite space. Rising from the attainment of the sphere of infinite space, he entered the sphere of infinite consciousness. Rising from the attainment of the sphere of infinite consciousness, he entered the sphere of nothingness. Rising from the attainment of the sphere of nothingness, he entered the sphere of neither-perception-nor-non-perception. And rising out of the attainment of the sphere of neither-perception-nor-non-perception, he attained to the cessation of perception and feeling.
10. And the Venerable Ananda spoke to the Venerable Anuruddha, saying: "Venerable Anuruddha, the Blessed One has passed away."
"No, friend Ananda, the Blessed One has not passed away. He has entered the state of the cessation of perception and feeling."59
11. Then the Blessed One, rising from the cessation of perception and feeling, entered the sphere of neither-perception-nor-non-perception. Rising from the attainment of the sphere of neither-perception-nor-non-perception, he entered the sphere of nothingness. Rising from the attainment of the sphere of nothingness, he entered the sphere of infinite consciousness. Rising from the attainment of the sphere of infinite consciousness, he entered the sphere of infinite space. Rising from the attainment of the sphere of infinite space, he entered the fourth jhana. Rising from the fourth jhana, he entered the third jhana. Rising from the third jhana, he entered the second jhana. Rising from the second jhana, he entered the first jhana.
Rising from the first jhana, he entered the second jhana. Rising from the second jhana, he entered the third jhana. Rising from the third jhana, he entered the fourth jhana. And, rising from the fourth jhana, the Blessed One immediately passed away.
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His level of consciousness ascended to the level of the Brahmic planes, but eventually he 'passed away' into Parinirvana. His body was cremated by his fire of Samadhi, and his miraculous and beautiful uncountable shariras, were later distributed among kings (human), and even the Nagas (dragons) and Devas (celestial beings).
However, Mahayana Buddhists know that his passing into Mahaparinirvana is not ultimate (but more for show - symbolically), he is still in charge of the 3000 world system and will still teach within the 3000 world system. -
I thought zhang san feng was a fictional character??
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zhang san feng ain't Lao Zi btw.Originally posted by Suicine:I thought zhang san feng was a fictional character??
Master Chang San-Feng aint frictional either.
Circa 1200 C.E.
http://www.egreenway.com/taichichuan/chang1.htm
One tradition claims that Master Chang San-Feng was born at midnight on April 9, 1247 AD, near Dragon-Tiger Mountain in Kiang-Hsi Province in the southeast of China. He is said to have been a government official in his youth, learned Shaolin martial arts while living in the Pao-Gi Mountains near Three Peaks (San Feng), and then living for scores of years as a Taoist hermit and sage in the Wu-Tang (Wudang) Mountains. He is reported to have lived to be 200 years old (1247-1447AD), but his death date is uncertain. He would have lived in the Sung, Yuan, and Ming Dynasties if these dates were accurate. (Jou, 1980)
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Isnt he the founder of Wudang? And Huang Rong the founder of Emei?
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there are earlier founder(s) of WUDANG SECT. notice the AD. but the original idea of Taoism is 'founded' by Lao Zi. (normally the word 'founded' is no a good word in Buddhism, even Buddha never claim He 'founded' Dharma, Dharma just IS, or past down by ancient infinity past Buddhas, if u know what i mean. moreover the word 'I founded' is also egoistic.)Originally posted by laurence82:Isnt he the founder of Wudang?
MOUNT WUDANG SECT
Regarding Mt. Wudang as its birthplace, this sect was called the Wudang Tradition. Mt. Wudang, also called Mt. Taihe, was a sacred site of Daoism, and even before the Ming dynasty was honoured as the birthplace of the Great Perfect Warrior Emperor of the Mysterious Northern Heaven. Historically, Daoism on Mt. Wudang was affiliated to the Orthordox Oneness sect in earlier times, and to the Complete Perfection sect in later times. During emperor Zhengzong's era (AD 998-1022), the Orthodox Oneness sect spread to Mt. Wudang and developed into the main power of Daoism on Mt. Wudang, under which the Elder Mao sect, the Three Mao sect and the Lay Daoist Priest Tradition emerged. The Complete Perfection spread to this area 200 years later. During the Hongwu era of the Ming dynasty (AD 1368-1398 AD), Qiu Yuanqing, the fourth generation patriarch of the Dragon Gate branch, became master of Jade Dragon Temple on Mt. Wudang. In the middle of the Ming dynasty, the Dragon Gate had replaced the Orthodox Oneness sect, becoming the main power of Daoism on Mt. Wudang. During the Yongle ear of Ming emperor Chengzu (AD 1403-1424), Zhang Sanfeng, a Daoist of the Complete Perfection sect, founded the Wudang Tradition, a new Daoist sect which differed from the Complete Perfection sect in religious theories and rules as well as sectarian style. The Wudang Tradition attributed its origin to Cheng Tuan's Daoist sect, but then the government put it under the Complete Perfection sect. The Wudang Tradition was characterized by its worship for the Great Perfect Warrior Emperor, its practice of Chinese Inner School Boxing, its advocacy of the Integration of the Three Doctrines and its emphasis on Cultivation and Refinement of Inner Alchemy and Spiritual Nature. It was a new sect of the Complete Perfection Tradition which emerged between the Yuan and Ming dynasties. According to the General Summary of Perfect Men and Sects, the Wudang Tradition had as many as eight branches, among which the Spontaneity sect, the Sanfeng sect, the Renewal sect and the Penglai sect lasted until modern times.
http://eternalway.blogspot.com/
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