Future of Taiwan and China
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This probably dont concern us much (at least yet), so its just for those who are interested to know.
http://www.gbm-online.com/talk_hsuan_hua.asp
See: The Great Events Of One Hundred Years Are Hazy As If A Dream (the most bottom).
This prophecy made by a monk over a century back is explained in details by Master Hsuan Hua. Master Hsuan Hua is well known for his spiritual penetration... so I wouldn't be surprised if this turns out to be true. The monk 100 years ago predicted everything that happened in China for 100 years period... accurately.
Page 5 bottom part onwards... is about the present situation of China and Taiwan to the future. -
actually i dun quite understand
the whole thing abt prediction
hahaha it is not going to be related to our salvation
my straightforward stand is
WHY BOTHER
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Actually that article was good - its not all about prophecy, most part of it is talking about the history of China (and Taiwan). If you wish to know more you can read it. Doesn't mean Buddhist cannot read about history or about the future... if that's the case we don't need to read newspaper or study history anymore.
In many large-scale Dharma assemblies, general interviews, and meetings, the Venerable Master has analyzed in great detail the "Prophetic Poem of the Great Events of One Hundred Years in China" by the Great Master Bu Xu. What is the reason for this? History is like a bright mirror. The ancients, hoping that their descendants would learn from history in order to avoid making the same mistakes, wanted them to use the mirror of history as a guide to correct the errors of the past and to modify their behavior in the future.
My Master Shen Kai had also warned that a great catastrophe may strike Taiwan in the future. -
Tsunami from the pacific ocean or massive earthquake that break the island into 2.....
I don't a big meteor would drop from the sky -
earthquake possibly. what abt massive flu pandemic?Originally posted by maggot:Tsunami from the pacific ocean or massive earthquake that break the island into 2.....
I don't a big meteor would drop from the sky
or invasion from china? -
hmm actually there is a similiar topic in Speakers Corner...
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What did Master Shen Kai said abt Taiwan?Originally posted by Xabir:Actually that article was good - its not all about prophecy, most part of it is talking about the history of China (and Taiwan). If you wish to know more you can read it. Doesn't mean Buddhist cannot read about history or about the future... if that's the case we don't need to read newspaper or study history anymore.
In many large-scale Dharma assemblies, general interviews, and meetings, the Venerable Master has analyzed in great detail the "Prophetic Poem of the Great Events of One Hundred Years in China" by the Great Master Bu Xu. What is the reason for this? History is like a bright mirror. The ancients, hoping that their descendants would learn from history in order to avoid making the same mistakes, wanted them to use the mirror of history as a guide to correct the errors of the past and to modify their behavior in the future.
My Master Shen Kai had also warned that a great catastrophe may strike Taiwan in the future.
He got the ability to see the future?
Not all predictions come true u know. Only the Buddha prediction is accurate.
Even some arahants prediction do not come true due to some factors, like conditions. -
Yes, actually my master did not make a statement but said something like 'I wonder whether Taiwan will be able avert the catastrophe...' meaning there MIGHT be a chance Taiwan may be able to avert it. But dunno whether can anot... maybe Taiwanese unwholesome karmic power is very heavy. I did not hear it myself, but I heard from my mom... so I don't know what he said exactly. But some of the things he said decades ago came true already.Originally posted by marcteng:What did Master Shen Kai said abt Taiwan?
He got the ability to see the future?
Not all predictions come true u know. Only the Buddha prediction is accurate.
Even some arahants prediction do not come true due to some factors, like conditions. -
The future is a mirage, the past is already over, but we can learn from the past mistakes and apply to the present, which is here and now.
Anyway, the present moment is always on the move , that is, it does not stand still. The present, which is here and now at this moment, is already past isn't it.
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All predictions is just predictions, regardless it is said by who, the fate can always be changed.
Speaking about taiwan, as a chinese, I really hope that china and taiwan will reunite peacefully one day. If without intervention from US and Japan, taiwan already in reunification discussion talk with mainland china. -
Civilisations rise and disappear, and proof of its existences is the fossils or remains buried underground.
Let us not be 2 overly concern about the future, as the future has not arrived yet. Live the moment, but learn from past mistakes and historical events.
Hope there is not a world war 3 as world war 2 destroyed 2 many people's lives.
Any wonder why there are diseases like sars, ebola, aids, avian flu appear in this age? Could it be that values have degenerated and famines, drought, weather changes, diseases and war served as a reminder to mankind as a warning before its 2 late? -
"maybe Taiwanese unwholesome karmic power is very heavy."
?? Maybe it is the Unwholesome Karmic power of the CCP that is in question.
The Taiwanese have no reason to unify with the PRC and go back under the shackles of One PartyRule. They fought the KMT for 50 years to come out of such a situation. -
I agree with crazyazn, why should the Taiwanese want to reunify with Communist Mainland? I'm not afraid to say i am more of the option that it's much better that Taiwan become independent. Afterall, they built up the country themselves (and not ashamedly, with the Japanese "helping" during the colonisation, and most older Taiwanese admit that the Japanese were kinder in some aspects compared to the KMT!), and i think that they see what is happening in Hong Kong under the "one country two systems" is in fact, detrimental to the Hong Kongers (cos they're getting quite sidelined with influx of mainlanders into it), so they probably don't want that. Why should they give up what they built up themselves and give it up with two hands to the Communists? Another reason, Buddhism might suffer quite a bit if they went back under Communist rule.
If Taiwan were to unite with mainland, they'd prefer to do it under a democratic china, not a communist one. -
I understand that many Taiwanese would want independant rule, if I were a Taiwanese myself I would also want independant rule, but wanting is one matter. Whether you can take up the consequence is another matter. If Taiwan were to declare formal independance, it is 100% sure that China will strike back massively.
Anyway both sides have unwholesome karma, because casualties will come from both sides when war strikes. When communal karma is strong in the country, catastrophes will affect the masses.
BTW isnt the former KMT president Lee Teng Hui himself pro-independance?
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What I meant by unwholesome karma simply means the Taiwanese - whether innocent or supporters of independance alike, will suffer out of communal karma. The intentions of each political party is not in question here.Originally posted by crazyazn:?? Maybe it is the Unwholesome Karmic power of the CCP that is in question.
Anyway the interpretation of the zen master's prophetic poem was made around 20 years ago already. In time to come we shall see how true it is. -
Hmm...Originally posted by Xabir:This probably dont concern us much (at least yet), so its just for those who are interested to know.
http://www.gbm-online.com/talk_hsuan_hua.asp
See: The Great Events Of One Hundred Years Are Hazy As If A Dream (the most bottom).
This prophecy made by a monk over a century back is explained in details by Master Hsuan Hua. Master Hsuan Hua is well known for his spiritual penetration... so I wouldn't be surprised if this turns out to be true. The monk 100 years ago predicted everything that happened in China for 100 years period... accurately.
Page 5 bottom part onwards... is about the present situation of China and Taiwan to the future.
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If one wishes to know things that could happen to Buddhism in the next hundred years to come
I do recommend a source ....
the advice of Maitreya Bodhisattva spoke to Master Hsuyun when Master Hsuyun is in a deep coma after assault by the communist Red Guards.
All the gathas is telling what will happen to Buddhism in this few hundred years to come
It is inside the book known as empty clouds - Story of venerable master Hsuyun -
Hong Kong case is different cos hk was ceded cos china lost the opium war to UK.Originally posted by sanath:I agree with crazyazn, why should the Taiwanese want to reunify with Communist Mainland? I'm not afraid to say i am more of the option that it's much better that Taiwan become independent. Afterall, they built up the country themselves (and not ashamedly, with the Japanese "helping" during the colonisation, and most older Taiwanese admit that the Japanese were kinder in some aspects compared to the KMT!), and i think that they see what is happening in Hong Kong under the "one country two systems" is in fact, detrimental to the Hong Kongers (cos they're getting quite sidelined with influx of mainlanders into it), so they probably don't want that. Why should they give up what they built up themselves and give it up with two hands to the Communists? Another reason, Buddhism might suffer quite a bit if they went back under Communist rule.
If Taiwan were to unite with mainland, they'd prefer to do it under a democratic china, not a communist one.
In my view, I hope Taiwan reunites with China for the sake of its people cos china is serious in invading taiwan if it proclaim its independence. if a war arises in the cross trait, what will happen to the region, lives, properties and the economy. anyway, if taiwan reunites with china, look at the business prospects of the mainland, not to mention the protection by china in terms of security. -
Again I am not siding any political parties here, but when I went to China to visit the Buddhist mountains with my dharma teacher and other practitioners from my dharma centre, we noticed that the government has laxed on religious restrictions. Religions are definitely recovering under the Communist rule, the era of Cultural revolution is long over.
During our visit, Jiang Zemin visited Jiu Hua Shan (mountain of the Ksitigarbha Bodhisattva), some of us saw him. We had to change hotel the day before because Jiang Zemin occupied the entire hotel we were supposed to go. Many many bodyguards etc - the bodyguards asked the hotel people to close their windows but we refused and if not wrong someone even shouted back to greet Jiang Zemin so the bodyguards had no choice But anyway we spoke to the abbot of the Jiu Hua Shan, who has in turn spoken to Jiang Zemin before we visited him, said that Mr Jiang is quite supportive of the Buddhist developments and he is hopeful. -
where got real Communist?
actually not all idea of Communism is bad.
the idea of classlessness is also a teaching of Buddha of equality. no?
if can live in a place where people sharing their common goods is not a bad idea though. but people would become lazy when all wait for others to do thw work. 
The Principles of Communism.
http://www.marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1847/11/prin-com.htm
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I do not side any political systems.
I definitely do not support the kind of communism practised during Mao's and Soviet era, or the North Korean kind.
But Communism in China is no longer communism that we commonly know. The current political system in China may still be the best and only stable and workable system in China. Democracy does not work for every nation, sometimes it may only bring more chaos. But for more developed and stable countries I think it is good.
Buddha's idea of 'classlessness' is definitely not Communism. It refers to having no discriminate distinctions of the Caste system in Hinduism. But not taking away wealthy people's hard work to make it 'fair'.
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BTW, Buddha was definitely an expounder of meritocracy. Therefore we shall strive to seek spiritual progress and also achieve our goals in life with zeal and commitment.
http://www.jenchen.org.sg/vol6no2a.htm
Seize The Day
In the Noble Eight-fold Path[1] taught by Buddha, the Right Action[1] advocates practitioners of Buddhism to pursue all that are virtuous with zeal and a commitment to progress. Such should be the correct attitude whether in our career or in pursuit of the ultimate truth. The following short story may help to illustrate Buddha's teaching more clearly.
Early one morning Buddha and one of his chief disciples, Ananda, set out from Jetavana to seek alms. They came to the city of Sravasti. As they entered the city gate and were walking along a path by the city wall, they saw an aged couple.
Their backs were crooked and they could neither straighten themselves nor move about. They were dressed in rags, appearing unhygienic and well worn with age: frail, toothless, grey hair, hard of hearing and poor eyesight. They lived next to a pile of rubbish by the derelict wall of a sleazy alley. They crouched close to each other, facing a small fire for warmth. With eyes only for each other, they resembled a pair of old swans that cannot bear to part.
The Buddha turned his head and asked Ananda, "Did you see that aged couple by the wall and the warmth of the burning cow dung?"
Ananda replied, "World Honoured One, I see them."
The Buddha continued, "If this old couple had been determined and diligent when they were young and strong, regardless of the nature of their work as long as it is legitimate, perhaps at this age they are already amongst the wealthiest class of people in Sravasti. On the other hand, if they had chosen to renounce their worldly life to learn and cultivate the right path with diligence, perhaps they would have already attained the Arhat [2] by now.
Even if they were not that determined when they were young, but are ambitious and diligent only at a later age and they work with the Right Action, perhaps they are already amongst the second wealthiest class of people in Sravasti. Similarly, if on the other hand, they had chosen to renounce their worldly life to learn and cultivate the right path with diligence, perhaps they would have already attained the Anagami [2].
Worse still, should they only realise about diligence and progress when they are already at their middle age, and only then began to work with the Right Action, perhaps they are already amongst the third wealthiest class of people in Sravasti. If they had chosen to renounce their worldly life to learn and cultivate the right path with diligence, perhaps they would have already attained the Sakrdagamin [2].
However, they did none of the above. Instead, they spent their life times loving and possessing each other, and wasted the most useful time of their lives. That is why today they are helpless and have no way out of their predicament. They live in poor conditions, are penniless and there is nothing that they can do. For them it is a living death, having to face the retribution of their own doing, and nobody took any pity on them. What meaning is there in a life like this?"
In order to encourage people not to fall into the same predicament, the Buddha said, "Ananda, always remember to advise and guide people:
In youth, be determined, diligent, and thrifty and strive to acquire knowledge.
Maintain a mind that is distant and unchained from desire and be focused on building a career during the prime of life.
In middle age, realise a stable career that is based on diligence, zeal, progress and Right Action.
Always use the wealth meaningfully to benefit self and others.
Do not wait till old age and rely on the people's benevolence like the aged swan."
The above incident demonstrates the compassion of the Buddha in caring for sentient beings and encouraging people to be determined in striving for progress, regardless of whether one is concerned with building a career, or one who has renounced the worldly life to learn and cultivate the right path. His only wish was for all sentient beings to be distant from suffering and attain happiness in life.
Notes:
[1] Noble Eight-fold Path:
1. Right Speech
2. Right Action
3. Right Livelihood
4. Right Effort
5. Right Mindfulness
6. Right Concentration
7. Right Views
8. Right Thought
[2] The four stages in Hinayana sanctity:
- 1st stage - srota-apanna
- 2nd stage - sakrdagamin
- 3rd stage - anagami-phala
- 4th stage - arhat, the highest stage -
It is not right to say that Taiwan economy advancement is solely by the people of taiwan. When Kuo Min Tang retreat to Taiwan, they not only brought tons of gold bar that KMT collected from the entire china back to taiwan, but also experts and elite groups in various industry. KMT was once the richest political party in the world before the japan spy Lee Teng Hui became KMT president and brainwash the taiwanese.
Of course, everyone has right to decide the citizenship they want to have. For example, if you want to migrate from singapore to australia, simply fill up the form, follow the legal way and disappear. But if you want to bring a piece of land at singapore and transfer the territory to another country, the police will go after you. Same will happen to Chen Shui Bian who threaten to bomb 3 gorgeous damp, if his terrorists gang managed to do that, he will be hanged for sure then followed by sufferings in hell.
Well, everybody talk about democracy, communism also talk about democracy, just that their definition is without public election. I personally also support voting, especially in a modern society like in singapore. But not all province and rural area in china is ready for that. Not even Hong Kong is ready for public election. Have British colonist ever give Hong Kong people power to vote throught out their colonisation period? No, they never. Only when Hong Kong is to be return, then they start to talk about election, this is "smart".
I want to remind those colonist-to-be, history has showed that when china is in chaos, the whole world is in chaos, when china is strong, the whole world will be peace. -
fyi, yesterday's poll has show that about 70-80%(!) people of taiwan want Chen to focus more on economic than independence.
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Originally posted by An Eternal Now:
agree, China is starting to open up toward religion.
But Communism in China is no longer communism that we commonly know. The current political system in China may still be the best and only stable and workable system in China. Democracy does not work for every nation, sometimes it may only bring more chaos.
the world is like that. Communism, Democracy and Imperialism cannot go to the extreme practice, People will start to find that it's not suitable if it become too extreme.
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