What will happen to people who don't believe in Buddhism?
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not only 6 realm , we must remember the number of extra terrestial planet bodies of alien are reborn hereOriginally posted by sinweiy:you are limiting to one human realm. there are actually 6 realms in Buddhism and also divided into the Thirty-One Planes of Existence.
http://www.accesstoinsight.org/ptf/loka.html
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we only see 9 planets from solar system ,but more coming up and will probably find different kind of organism in the milky way -
And of course you do not have any verifiable scientific data to support what you say about all these realms and heaven and hell - the question is why are there no evidence? Without evidence, we have to assign it to delusion, illusion, imagination and beliefs. It goes for all the other religions in the world.Originally posted by concerned_man:There are some from heaven to earth. from hell to earth, from animals to humans, from ghost to humans and vice versa. When the karma exhausted in the realms, all will have to leave and directed to a new realm dictate by the karmic actions performed in the past. (Energies cannot be created or destroyed, but they can change from ONE state to another)
In Buddhism context, all realms(incl heaven and hell) are not ever lasting as sentient beings have a living period determined by their karma resource capacity. Once exhausted, they will have to leave.
Rebirth/Re-incarnation is becomingly an interesting research topic in the west. Do a search at Amazon.com you'll get to see some interesting books. Very frequently, they used hypnosis to recollect memories from past lives and after verifications they were found to be true. They are not Buddhists.
Somewhere in other post there is an article by British-Australia Monk Ajahn Brahm about "What is Buddhism". The article also mentioned about ReBirth and it is very interesting.
To be Awake is key.
Have fun.
The the question is why would anybody believe in illusions unless there are benefits to do that.
Self delusion can be comforting.
Banding together a group of people is political.
Why do you do it? What is in it for you? I am curious. -
As to scientific proof, there are already many extensive research in the west. If you take time to do research and read some books (not by Buddhist Community), you should be able to discover something new and interesting. I did just a brief search on yahoo and google, I can already find heaps of information.
There are so many ordinary people worldwide who practise deep meditation and are able to recollect memories of their past lives - In fact I've one such friend.
If one's heart is closed, then no new discovery can be made. Buddha is not going to force anyone to believe what He said. But to make a discovery for themselveand by themselve.
Delusion, illusion, imagination is really about being ignorant. Being confined in a boundary and are not able to break free. Self delusion is not comforting.
The last two sentences are a little bit strong and of no meaning.
Hope this help.
Originally posted by casino_king:And of course you do not have any verifiable scientific data to support what you say about all these realms and heaven and hell - the question is why are there no evidence? Without evidence, we have to assign it to delusion, illusion, imagination and beliefs. It goes for all the other religions in the world.
The the question is why would anybody believe in illusions unless there are benefits to do that.
Self delusion can be comforting.
Banding together a group of people is political.
Why do you do it? What is in it for you? I am curious. -
TIME magazine recently had an issue with extensive coverage on the human brain.Originally posted by concerned_man:As to scientific proof, there are already many extensive research in the west. If you take time to do research and read some books (not by Buddhist Community), you should be able to discover something new and interesting.
There are so many ordinary people worldwide who practise deep meditation and are about to recollect memories of their past lives - In fact I've one such friend.
If one's heart is closed, then no new discovery can be made. Buddha is not going to force anyone to believe what He said. But to make a discovery for themselve.
The only delusion, illusion, imagination is really about being ignorant. Being confined in a boundary and are not able to break free.
Hope this help.
Meditation was cited as beneficial for the brain in that it teaches the human brain to concentrate. So many activities need concentration and especially "brainy" activities like study and learning. So children who practice meditation should do much better than those who do not and who cannot concentrate.
Well it is very big leap from understanding the benefits and practising meditation to accepting that heaven and hell exists.
So you see, the scienctific studies you quote are meaningless to prove that there are 6 realms and ghosts and gods.
Certainly the studies you quoted did not make it to the magazine SCIENCE as the research would not be able to withstand scrutiny.
So what is left is what benefits believing in illusions and imaginations accrue to you personally?
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Let me ask u this question , casino king , do u dare to sleep in the old changi hospital ?Originally posted by casino_king:TIME magazine recently had an issue with extensive coverage on the human brain.
Meditation was cited as beneficial for the brain in that it teaches the human brain to concentrate. So many activities need concentration and especially "brainy" activities like study and learning. So children who practice meditation should do much better than those who do not and who cannot concentrate.
Well it is very big leap from understanding the benefits and practising meditation to accepting that heaven and hell exists.
So you see, the scienctific studies you quote are meaningless to prove that there are 6 realms and ghosts and gods.
Certainly the studies you quoted did not make it to the magazine SCIENCE as the research would not be able to withstand scrutiny.
So what is left is what benefits believing in illusions and imaginations accrue to you personally?
That is what I want to know.
and what is all this sightings reporting in Singapore Paranormal Investigation
and Singapore Ghost stories ?fake ?
How do u explain why cemetery are spooky , especially off lim chu kang road ? -
oops sorry... accidentally replied in your post
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casino king,
so prove to us by your power of your believing in scientific point of view and have a stay in old changi hospital ALONE just stay there find a cosy corner inside without any1 else to accompany u and tell us how u feel what u feel. be brave and live up to your words and prove yourself right!
we or nobody will criticise u for anything you would say or experience.
when one has discovered something more than just the surface of science, one will be woken up from ignorance.... this is referring to me.
cos i am also a big believer in scientific evidence and BEYOND. -
That is a great discovery about Meditation. In fact meditation is increasingly popular worldwide. People of other faiths are also embracing meditation because it REALLY helps.
When the first telephone appeared. Many, at that time thought that it was the work of Satan. When someone first discovered that the Earth was round, many were skeptical believing Earth was flat. Majority thought that these are all illusion and imagination.
In my previous post, I did mentioned that so far Buddhism blends in very well with most, if not, everything about Science. But Science at this time is in a progressive stage to realise everything about Buddhism. Science today have not make a complete discovery about everything. I agree that things which do not conformed with science is doubtful. But I cannot take the assumption that things that have not yet discovered by Science are not true. Because at this time, TIME cannot and they probably will not claim or say that Heaven and Hell do not exist. Hence, it cannot be classified as illusion or imagination. Because this has not been proven false.
It is only now that I came to realise that most are concerned about the existence of Heaven and Hell. As I am gaining more insights to the spectacular wisdom the this wonderful and peaceful spiritual tradition. This has become more and more irrelevant. Because in the SAMSARA, it is sufferings. This is not the focus of a true Buddhist. Although, there are such realms, they are of no concerned to a true Buddhist.
It's really about your life and your choices. If you want to insist about having TIMES to justify or verify everything. By all means pls, this probably means you have to wait for a very long long time. But, in Buddhism, we can proof it ourselves through deep meditation. Many have done it in Buddhist community.
In Buddhism, the answer we are seeking is from within. And this will be more convincing than any other external proofs.
There is also good articles about Science and Buddhism by Ajahn Brahm - A British-American monk.
It will be more worth while and helpful for you to be at TIME forum page than to be here. -
Yes in fact, in Buddhism, this planet isn't the only planet that harbours intelligent beings similar to our mankind.Originally posted by sinweiy:you are limiting to one human realm. there are actually 6 realms in Buddhism and also divided into the Thirty-One Planes of Existence.
http://www.accesstoinsight.org/ptf/loka.html
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meaning other planet in other world system got humans?Originally posted by An Eternal Now:Yes in fact, in Buddhism, this planet isn't the only planet that harbours intelligent beings similar to our mankind.
the humans in other worlds also lineage from devas?
Buddha got said abt the kind of beings in other world systems or not eh? -
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Buddha spoke and described the 3 other civilisations beyond our planets. We will be able to communicate with them in the future.Originally posted by marcteng:meaning other planet in other world system got humans?
the humans in other worlds also lineage from devas?
Buddha got said abt the kind of beings in other world systems or not eh? -
Ok, answer me this question put to you if you can.Originally posted by casino_king:What has a place being spooky or whether one dares to sleep at the old changi hospital got to do with the existence of ghosts?
To prove that ghost exists, one has to produce a ghost or at least produce forensic evidence like in CSI to suggest a ghost.
Since nobody can, then we say the belief in ghost is self delusion.
Even if all those sightings and reporting are not "fake" it does not mean anything since the reporters could simply be wrong.
They attribute natural phenomena to the supernatural.
Unless the sightings and reporting can be independently verified, it is better to attribute the reasons based on reality rather than supernatural.
So like I say, I would like to know the benefits engaing in self delusions.
Did you ever saw Jesus before? how then did you know Jesus once lived and appear in this world b4?
If you did not see Jesus before, how u know he existed once before?
Is it right to say, no I didnt saw Jesus before, so he did not exist and was invented by followers of christianity. -
Of course science is not able to prove the existence of faraway realms. After all, it's only recently that science began to discover extrasolar planets.
But this is not what is most important. Whether or not there are faraway realms, it doesn't concern our spiritual cultivation and purpose. Also, eventually we will know for ourselves. -
To prove that ghost exists, one has to produce a ghost or at least produce forensic evidence like in CSI to suggest a ghost.
Throughout history there have been many encounters with the spirits. But to ask for 'foresensic evidence' is simply flawed. Conciousness is beyond physicality, and can go beyond one's lifetime. There has been scientific suggestions about this, and also, if you are interested in the science and evidences of Reincarnation, you can do a search on Ian Stevenson's.
If you meditate long enough, you will naturally be able to recall your past lives. Many many people of the past and today have recalled their past lives. -
Oops sorry casino king, I think I accidentally replied IN your post..
Your original post was:What has a place being spooky or whether one dares to sleep at the old changi hospital got to do with the existence of ghosts?
To prove that ghost exists, one has to produce a ghost or at least produce forensic evidence like in CSI to suggest a ghost.
Since nobody can, then we say the belief in ghost is self delusion.
Even if all those sightings and reporting are not "fake" it does not mean anything since the reporters could simply be wrong.
They attribute natural phenomena to the supernatural.
Unless the sightings and reporting can be independently verified, it is better to attribute the reasons based on reality rather than supernatural.
So like I say, I would like to know the benefits engaing in self delusions. -
6 realms are pretty much a standard, other than the other 4 noble realms.Originally posted by bohiruci:not only 6 realm , we must remember the number of extra terrestial planet bodies of alien are reborn here
we only see 9 planets from solar system ,but more coming up and will probably find different kind of organism in the milky way
from what i learn from MCK, extra terrestial which have a meat body are actually considered within the human realms. because as long as when one is reborn in the deva realms be it the lowest of 'Heavens of the Four Deva-kings', one's a transformationally-born body (hua1 sheng1). they don't need UFOs to travel about already. they can use their mental powers.
ps: do pardon my han yu pin yin, and correct if wrongly written, ....mistakes happen.
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what abt atoms, molecules, microbes, bacteria, viruses, can you see them with the naked eye?
You can only see them with powerful equipment like microscope isn't it.
My point of contention is, if you believe in rebirth, there are other realms of existences. Human realm not the only realm only. -
Speaking about re-birth or reincarnation offends some major religions
I see there are people of a different beliefs here
Ask them to explain why buddha's relics continue to multiply even when he's not in this world
Some say it's the work of the DEVIL
As for those who don't believe let them be as the law of karma acts on them too -
But science always prevails. People who believe in illusions has always been proven wrong. SATAN is an illusion - so of course that the phone is the work of SATAN was proven wrong.Originally posted by concerned_man:That is a great discovery about Meditation. In fact meditation is increasingly popular worldwide. People of other faiths are also embracing meditation because it REALLY helps.
When the first telephone appeared. Many, at that time thought that it was the work of Satan. When someone first discovered that the Earth was round, many were skeptical believing Earth was flat. Majority thought that these are all illusion and imagination.
It is scientific fact that the earth is round - science is proven right and those who believe in the illusion that the earth is flat was proven wrong.But, in Buddhism, we can proof it ourselves through deep meditation.
Proof that heaven and earth and 6 other realms exists? Proof of reincarnation?
That you have to resort to deep meditation and cannot show anything in the form of evidence shows that you need to develop you imagination to higher degree to delude yourself that is all. -
To decide if anybody "existed" before; you look at independently verified historical records. You do not need to meet him.Originally posted by marcteng:Ok, answer me this question put to you if you can.
Did you ever saw Jesus before? how then did you know Jesus once lived and appear in this world b4?
If you did not see Jesus before, how u know he existed once before?
Is it right to say, no I didnt saw Jesus before, so he did not exist and was invented by followers of christianity.
As for all the claims of supernatural powers; you need at the least to show that people can have supernatural powers that cannot be explained in scientific terms to believe that somebody a long time ago had it. -
You cannot see but you can show evidence. You can do experiments to prove their exsistence.Originally posted by marcteng:what abt atoms, molecules, microbes, bacteria, viruses, can you see them with the naked eye?
You can only see them with powerful equipment like microscope isn't it.
My point of contention is, if you believe in rebirth, there are other realms of existences. Human realm not the only realm only.
So if you tell me that there is such a thing as rebirth and 6 other realms - please show me the evidence other than I know because I know. -
I am not against religion because people are free to believe what they want to believe and be deluded anyway they want.
What I want to know is what good comes out of believing in imagination as truth?
Why do you believe? What good does it do you? -
Like I said the answer which you want to hear is not here. It is at another place - TIME.
La2 Zhe3 Bu4 Ju4, Qu4 Zhe3 Bu4 Liu2. -
Do he have relics for the world to see and touch like the buddha?Originally posted by casino_king:To decide if anybody "existed" before; you look at independently verified historical records. You do not need to meet him.
As for all the claims of supernatural powers; you need at the least to show that people can have supernatural powers that cannot be explained in scientific terms to believe that somebody a long time ago had it.
Records are done up by people who need tithes to survive so they support his existence
With no money to make the records who would support such claims if no money was in it for them?
And then their books purposely write the sentence that money must be given to their beliefs
do you smell a fish?
Without strong financial backings how they make it till now?