Colour of the robes during the Buddha's time
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Agreed.Originally posted by earthling82:Now I give u an example. Fa or Dhamma is about phenomena. What you see happening right now...for example the teaching of Dhamma, the giving to charity, the hustle of going to work, the acts of inpurity, the 911 attacks and the Tsunami....all of them are in accordance with the Dhamma and exist in harmony with it.
Now to contemplate the universe, we must know that Fa happens in constant flux and change. Knowing that Dhamma is also a Fa used to appease the inner arising and ceasing, and since Fa is always used to balance Fa...this realisation leads you to understand that Fa and non-Fa are actually 2 faces of the same coin. Awareness brings about this knowing and leads to balance. And this is known as the middle path. To see the totality of the universe w/o the incessant mental noise and stripped away of Buddhist teachings is the beginning of realisation.
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Yes Therava do not emphasize emptiness of dhamma simply because it is not complete. Emptiness cannot come about without the Dhamma.Originally posted by An Eternal Now:Also, in Mahayana, we speak about the Emptiness of Dharma, all phenomenas. This is something that Theravada do not emphasize. If you have listened to Teacher. Chen.
Give up your mahayana, theravada and RC. Throw away teacher chen also
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http://www.chan1.org/ddp/channews/08-1995.htmlOriginally posted by earthling82:Yes Therava do not emphasize emptiness of dhamma simply because it is not complete. Emptiness cannot come about without the Dhamma.
Give up your mahayana, theravada and RC. Throw away teacher chen also
Buddha said, "When this voidness (of the individual) is perfectly clear you will realize that all dharmas are void." The arhat has only attained the voidness of the individual, so the arhat has not yet attained the full perfection of emptiness. He would like to stay in nirvana, so for him nirvana is not empty. Likewise, he has an aversion to birth and death, so his experience of the emptiness of birth and death is not thorough. It's as if you said, "The Ch'an Center is a terrible place. I want to be free of it, so I will go across the street and never come back." You cross the street, and you are free of the trouble and the evil of the Ch'an Center. However, as long as you dare not cross the street, and hold on to the idea that the Ch'an Center is a demonic cave, you are still attached to it. The Ch'an Center is not empty for you, and you are not thoroughly free of it. The Arhat is like that, and both nirvana and birth and death are not thoroughly empty for him.
The Buddha says, "When this voidness (of the person) is perfectly clear, you will realize that all dharmas (phenomena) are void." This is the state of the Mahayana bodhisattva. A bodhisattva realizes that not only the self which is formed of the five skandhas is empty, but the five skandhas, themselves, are also empty. The three realms, birth and death, in fact, all dharmas, are empty. If the cycle of birth and death is empty, then what can it do to me? So a bodhisattva does not seek to depart from the cycle of birth and death, but he also is not deluded within the cycle of birth and death. This state is called the emptiness of both person and dharma, and it is the completion, or perfection, of emptiness. When one has realized the emptiness of dharmas, one is liberated from nirvana dharma as well as from samsara dharma. -
I think you got a very bad assumption about RC people. You seem to think that I am attached to tradition and teacher. Let me remind you your bad experience with certain people doesnt mean everyone from RC is like that. Being in this forum, I am certainly not bias or sectarian towards any sects.Originally posted by earthling82:Give up your mahayana, theravada and RC. Throw away teacher chen also
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When u realise the suchness of who you are. You will then be Ru Fa. Or entered the Dhamma realm. It can be a verb. It can be a noun. It can also be an adjetiveOriginally posted by Cenarious:so what is Ru Fa
WY --> Yes you are biased towards RC.And, I think you seem to imply that all RC people just put Ven Shen Kai's word in their mouth, and do not cultivate the dharma.
haha....well I did not say that. But the fact that you misinteprete my words into an accusation is evidence you are biased and defending RC again.
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Very sorry if I misinterpreted your words. I am not biased against defending RC, but if you were to speak disparagingly towards people of any particular Buddhist traditions, I will similarly 'defend' it.
haha....well I did not say that. But the fact that you misinteprete my words into an accusation is evidence you are biased and defending RC again.
Is it more impt to be in rencheng or is it more impt to achieve liberation?
Of course, Ren Cheng is simply a vessel as the name suggest. You cant possibly drag the vessel up the shore. You will eventually abandon it. -
You can quote the suttas and talk about form, emptiness, merging and mixing of external, flux of dhamma, ceasation of dhamma and all manners of Buddhism. All this are just an act of defence.
but then again emptiness is not complete emptiness. Emptiness cannot be realised without 1 thing -- Awareness. Refer to surangama sutta.
I cant talk with you anymore coz this forum has a 5min restriction for first 20 posts. Waste time. U may want to post the last say so go ahead.
And pls change the spelling error in your signature. -
AEN talked about Hu Fa not Ru Fa! pls get ur eyes checked!
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Yes, Of course Emptiness is not just a void. Awareness and emptiness is inseperable.
And I am not trying to defend anything.. merely pointing out something to you
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Very sorry if I misinterpreted your words. I am not biased against defending RC, but if you were to speak disparagingly towards people of any particular Buddhist traditions, I will similarly 'defend' it.
You cant overlook that many Buddhist centers are in fact undermining Buddha's teachings. If you want to defend everything then you will be dead soon. For example there is this large Mahayana Buddhist center in SG that is centric to Di Zang Pusa's teachings. They also have a special service known as divination of 12 animal zodiac. They all can also dance as part of prayer. Shiok right?
FYI I am banned from visiting your center by someone very impt in your center. The reason given is "My presence is against teacher Li Zhu's will"
Aiyah I tell you sometimes the Vens and the teachers' are talking crap. I know this becoz I talk to them behind the scene. But I always hear ppl standing up to the defence of the crap instead of identifying the crap. This is someting not to be glorified. Absolute loyalty to a center must come with wisdom also. -
Isn't it obvious why you have been 'banned'?Originally posted by earthling82:FYI I am banned from visiting your center by someone very impt in your center. The reason given is "My presence is against teacher Li Zhu's will"
From the things you said, like telling others Da Zhi Mu Fa is Prajna Paramita , I would also have been weary of your entrance to my dharma centre (if I were a dharma teacher).
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Why dont you ask them yourselves?
Aiyah I tell you sometimes the Vens and the teachers' are talking crap. I know this becoz I talk to them behind the scene. But I always hear ppl standing up to the defence of the crap instead of identifying the crap. This is someting not to be glorified. Absolute loyalty to a center must come with wisdom also.
And do you even know my dharma teacher well? So far, I have never seen my dharma teacher talking crap. Even while talking to them behind the scene.
My mom is a close friend to my dharma teacher, and she says she have learnt a lot from her because of being in contact with her often.
I think it is your 'zhong sheng xin' that sees crap
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why the animosity in the middle of the night?
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The Buddha gave a wide variety of teachings because sentient beings (any being with mind who is not a Buddha, including those in other realms of existence) have different dispositions, inclinations and interests. The Buddha never expected us all to fit into the same mold. Thus, he gave many teachings and described various ways of practicing so each of us could find something that suits our level of mind and our personality. With skill and compassion in guiding others, the Buddha turned the wheel of Dharma three times, each time setting forth a slightly different philosophical system in order to suit the various dispositions of sentient beings. The essence of all the teachings is the same: the wish definitely to emerge from the cycle of constantly recurring problems (samsara), compassion for others and the wisdom realizing selflessness.
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correction here.Originally posted by An Eternal Now:Buddhist Federation did not ban RC, it is RC that chose not to be in Buddhist federation. And I dont think there is anything wrong with the teachings. There was a venerable who spoke against Ren Cheng with regards to the costumes, but as you have already said above regarding the costumes. It's just a tradition.
What exactly is false in ren cheng's books? Btw, There were venerables who felt it was wrong about certain descisions that buddhist federations has taken but did not dare to speak up.
It is just too unfortunate that Master Shen Kai had to depart just shortly before all these things happened. He had to take up some of his disciples karma... lots and lots of trouble has been going on in Taiwan and things have been going downhill... only until recently.
not even the Buddha can change or alter another persons kamma.
how can your master take up his disciples kamma personally.
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Thats the beauty of the Buddha's skilful means isn't it.Originally posted by neutral_onliner:The Buddha gave a wide variety of teachings because sentient beings (any being with mind who is not a Buddha, including those in other realms of existence) have different dispositions, inclinations and interests. The Buddha never expected us all to fit into the same mold. Thus, he gave many teachings and described various ways of practicing so each of us could find something that suits our level of mind and our personality. With skill and compassion in guiding others, the Buddha turned the wheel of Dharma three times, each time setting forth a slightly different philosophical system in order to suit the various dispositions of sentient beings. The essence of all the teachings is the same: the wish definitely to emerge from the cycle of constantly recurring problems (samsara), compassion for others and the wisdom realizing selflessness. -
i wan 2 ask one question. dun b offended frens.
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thats discrimination, prejudices of one race over the other.Originally posted by protonhybrid:i wan 2 ask one question. dun b offended frens.
if buddha was indian then how did chinese ppl hate indians so much yet become buddhists ?
I am sure there are indians who hated chinese, heard of indian jokes on chinaman? how abt the hatred of the jews and arabs?
The Dhamma which the Buddha preaches, transcend all races, gender, ethic group. doesnt matter if you are a tibetan, malay, indians, chinese or europeans. -
Of course the disciple will have his own karma, but my master has his responsibilities. In Tibetan Buddhism, for example, if someone breaks his Samaya vows, his teacher will also be responsible. Similarly, if disciples do not listen to my master, then my master also got his responsibilities....Originally posted by marcteng:correction here.
not even the Buddha can change or alter another persons kamma.
how can your master take up his disciples kamma personally.
for example, when you are hungry, i cant eat on behalf of you to allevaite your hungerness isnt it? -
Where did you get the idea that Chinese hated Indians?Originally posted by protonhybrid:i wan 2 ask one question. dun b offended frens.
if buddha was indian then how did chinese ppl hate indians so much yet become buddhists ? -
Now in the Sadhamma Pundarika Sutta, it is said that one may practise the 5 paramitas but his merits will not exceed the sutta, unless he practises the last one -- Prajna Paramita. Wherefore because it is thru Prajna that arises the sutta.Originally posted by An Eternal Now:Isn't it obvious why you have been 'banned'?
From the things you said, like telling others Da Zhi Mu Fa is Prajna Paramita , I would also have been weary of your entrance to my dharma centre (if I were a dharma teacher).
And anyway... we also dont encourage people to 'pao3 dao4 chang3'.
Prajna has various translated meanings in both the Pali and Mahayana Text. Now if you recall, Prajna is translated as Wisdom in most places but in RC its translated as Mother of Wisdom. The Da Zhi Mu Fa is the mother of all wisdom. Which is why the Heart sutra is sometimes explained right after the transmission of the Dhamma.
Paramita is the verb. The action of bringing it into perfection. Paramita is sometimes translated into Paramita.
So why isn't Prajna Paramita = Da Zhi Mu Fa. And in any case Dhamma has no fixed words, no fixed forms and no fixed presentation methods. When we say "This" = Da Zhi Mu Fa, we are already narrowing it into something digestable to the human mind. This narrowing is the fundamental delusion. Or "Original Sin" to our sufferings. However on a deeper level, without this narrowing, we won't understand. Because we need to grasp hold of something. The narrowing action by itself is still not original delusion. It is still in accord with Dhamma. Why because while thinking is not entirely conciousness, thinking is still within conciousness which is all-abiding. But uncontrollable and unstoppable narrowing, the grasping is the problem
Hence. Both Da Zhi Mu Fa and Prajna Paramita are fundamentally a reduced entity used to describe "...........................". The practising of either one will lead to union with the "...........................". From there on, there is no cultivation, but substaining"
To claim exclusive possession of some "Ultimate truth" or "High dhamma" is the common thing i see everywhere incld in RC. This results in a "Superior/Inferior" view which is delusional. Anything from Dhamma transmission, worldy skills, knowledge, academic and work achievements results from this inbalance. And the Holy War we're seeing now is also caused by militants who claim to be in exclusive possession of some truth.
The reason why teacher chen asked "Have you learnt something" after the dhamma transmission is to point to the above problem. Of course as you also know the goal of practising Buddhism is to be in union with the Dhamma realm, and Da Zhi Mu Fa is the "Describing" method. It is instant transmutation and union with the universe. When the grasping stops, there is no gain nor loss. Hence the above problem will not surface.
Dao Chang is everywhere. Not just physically. Knowing this there is no limitation to which center we go. U can take it as training. To experience suffering. Through this experience, you can practise bringing out your awareness. From there, you --- deliver concious awareness into the world using a human body.... Suffering cease to be suffering, but a medium where purity comes into being. This is the true spirit of RC. -
Isn't it obvious why you have been 'banned'?
If you recall when teacher chen explains Heart Sutra..he says the entire sutra can be interpreted thru the first 4 verse.
From the things you said, like telling others Da Zhi Mu Fa is Prajna Paramita Rolling Eyes , I would also have been weary of your entrance to my dharma centre (if I were a dharma teacher).
The practising of the Dhamma brings about reconcilliation to divided people. We cannot afford to have "liberated/unliberated" beings in RC. Neither can we have "Rich/poor", "High/low" class ppl in RC.
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Chinese hate indians so much because for years there were much territorial disputes. The chinese govt also claimed rights over part of the kashmir region. But historically Chinese have wars with many countries so little suprise with some history-inherited racism.Originally posted by protonhybrid:i wan 2 ask one question. dun b offended frens.
if buddha was indian then how did chinese ppl hate indians so much yet become buddhists ?
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sometimes i just wonder...... while observing, watching, looking around.....
why those buddhist who claim themselves to be buddhist are "racist" towards indian when they themselves are actually paying respects to the respected indian - originated buddha & bodhisattvas...
there's no discrimination or differentiations or dividing.... but their acts speaks kinda contradictory......... wonder how would buddha or bodhisattvas felt and thought if they were still alive today.