Lust
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Originally posted by paperflower:
normal. this is the habitous nature we accumulated in our infinity past lifes.
is it normal to be distracted by lust or tempted by lust while cultivating....?i mean lust in any forms like lusting for material stuff like branded goods, buying that something like a luxurious home or sleek furniture set or the high-tech sound system you so long for or someone you like alot......
that i think is desire rather than lust.
what happens when a person cultivating and falls into the lust ambush? efforts will be wasted? that person falls back a step behind and have to double climb up again?can a married man or woman who are still with their marriage, still showing love and concern for their kids and spouse and close people around them, attain enlightenment & liberation in a pure way?
as for lust, i'm sure that it will come to a stop as one cultivate to certain level in Dharma practice, as it becomes less and less interested. it will fade off as we grow older and more mature in practice.
are there people in this world who are cultivating and still fall into lust? why is lust difficult to control for some people while it is easy for some others? (attachments?) able to control lust means cultivation is strong and stable? if cannot control lust means cultivation not good enough?after all we are humans.....
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is it true? i saw in a script dat making love during raining days or while watching porn consider Lust or violated 3rd precept.
n one should advisable to make love wif their husband/wife while having pictures of beautiful scene of mountains, river. -
Originally posted by paperflower:
The reason why a person still has deep desires and likings for such things, is because he has not practised enough.
is it normal to be distracted by lust or tempted by lust while cultivating....? during the moments when you are doing nothing or in contact with things and people..., then suddenly that "lust" pops up like unexpectedly.
what a challenge.....
i mean lust in any forms like lusting for material stuff like branded goods, buying that something like a luxurious home or sleek furniture set or the high-tech sound system you so long for or someone you like alot......
what happens when a person cultivating and falls into the lust ambush? efforts will be wasted? that person falls back a step behind and have to double climb up again?
After cultivating for some time one gradually loses interests in materialism/desires, remaining liberated.can a married man or woman who are still with their marriage, still showing love and concern for their kids and spouse and close people around them, attain enlightenment & liberation in a pure way?
Yes. Pure Love, True Love, untainted by attachments and illusions. Incidently I have posted somewhere a few days ago, to a person who's friend started dissocialising because of his cultivation. I said it is wrong way. The problem for most of us is that we are restricted to our attachments and ego, our love is also restricted to our attachments and ego. When our love ones passed away, great suffering comes. Be a Bodhisattva and treat all sentient beings with equality and compassion, like in Diamond sutra, harbouring no ideas of 'self', 'others', etc. Including your family. (p.s my dharma teacher is also a lay practitioner and is concerned for family, although not in an attached manner. many enlightened ppl are know also have their family
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It is important not to be attached to family and friends, but detachment is not dissocialising with them. Detachment means one doesnt get caught up in relationships, feelings, affections, to the point where one person has to depart from you (anyone will, eventually), you cannot get over with it, and make your life miserable.
It is good that you said 'your ego has left', and you get joy from helping others, which is great. Therefore, non-ego, detachment, is not a form of pessimism. But it is needed to realise true love and compassion for everyone, without discriminations and attachments.
"A human being is part of a whole, called by us the "Universe," a part limited in time and space. He experiences himself, his thoughts and feelings, as something separated from the rest--a kind of optical delusion of his consciousness. This delusion is a kind of prison for us, restricting us to our personal desires and to affection for a few persons nearest us. Our task must be to free ourselves from this prison by widening our circles of compassion to embrace all living creatures and the whole of nature in its beauty." - Albert Einsteinare there people in this world who are cultivating and still fall into lust? why is lust difficult to control for some people while it is easy for some others? (attachments?) able to control lust means cultivation is strong and stable? if cannot control lust means cultivation not good enough?
When a person is able to 'control' himself, it means he has a higher level of Ding4 Li4 (samadhi). His mind is not easily moved.
But still, the highest stage is 'Wu2 Ren3 Ke2 Ren3'.
What is there to control, when all are empty? Lu shi guan... guan zi zai.after all we are humans.....
Humans all must learn to Chao1 Fan2 Ru4 Sheng4 (transcend worldliness - entering sainthood). Being Buddhists, we must learn to be like Buddha.and i wanna add on is that.... indeed the human realm is the most challenging realm to cultivate and train to attain enlightenment that i believe the devas and lower realms respect and long to be in human realms as well.
Indeed! Ren Sheng Nan De, Fo Fa Nan Wen.as much as i could reach out, i'll surely hope and will help guide teach them attain enlightenment when one day i become enlightened.
Great thought. May you attain Buddhahood and fulfill your vows! -
Making love in rainy days violates 3rd precept? Where did you read it?Originally posted by 798:is it true? i saw in a script dat making love during raining days or while watching porn consider Lust or violated 3rd precept.
n one should advisable to make love wif their husband/wife while having pictures of beautiful scene of mountains, river.
We should, as Buddhists, whether it breaks precept or not, avoid watching porn because it is considered defiled lust. If we are true Buddhists, we will not want to watch them, we want to purify our minds. Because all these things gets rooted in our 8th Consciousness, we will never know what it may result in. If we continue our old habits, it may one day lead us to raping, indecent sexual misconducts, etc. These habitual tendencies will also be brought over to the next life. Mind is a scary thing.
Ksitigarbha Sutra, "ben wu di yu, wei xin shuo zao". Originally no hell, it is mind-created. -
in a temple in KL while i practiced my monkhood there (ba guan zai). it stated dat making love consider one of 10 things dat violated 3rd Precept. another is "Fei nan fei nu" which maybe referring to not human beings or tranny.Originally posted by An Eternal Now:Making love in rainy days violates 3rd precept? Where did you read it?
We should, as Buddhists, whether it breaks precept or not, avoid watching porn because it is considered defiled lust. If we are true Buddhists, we will not want to watch them, we want to purify our minds. Because all these things gets rooted in our 8th Consciousness, we will never know what it may result in. If we continue our old habits, it may one day lead us to raping, indecent sexual misconducts, etc. These habitual tendencies will also be brought over to the next life. Mind is a scary thing.
Ksitigarbha Sutra, "ben wu di yu, wei xin shuo zao". Originally no hell, it is mind-created.
very hard for me to kick lust since i possess so much LOVE. -
My understanding is that in Buddhism, we are not to indulge in "sexual misconduct". However (to the best of my knowledge), the Buddhist scriptures do not define what is meant by sexual misconduct. I have read several Buddhist opinions on this issue. One says that a sexual encounter is not a "sexual misconduct" if no one is rightfully hurt in the process (This implies that I am not sexually misconducting myself if I swap my wife with another couple, since all parties involved are consenting...). Another says that a sexual encounter is not considered a sexual misconduct if it conforms to the prevailing societal norms.
As a possible result of the above, I read that homosexuality is actually not forbidden in Buddhism.
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then how about lesbians?
or how about the men who operated to become women?
are they considered unwholesome?
what kinda precepts have they violated? sexual misconduct? or going against ''nature''?
do they need empathy & compassion equally? do we still except them as what they are? - I feel...., yes. -
why are there people get involve with complicated sexual affairs?
why are there men love men relationship?
why are there women love women relationship?
are they some kind of negative karmas? or like they say, ''maybe they owe those people many emotional debts.... or the men & women have ''entered'' the wrong sexual bodies to be straight...''
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Well, people are people. Buddhists have prejudices just like non-Buddhists. However, so far as Buddhism itself is concerned, one's sexual orientation has nothing to do with anything - not directly anyway. How one chooses to exercise or express that sexuality is more important by far. Actually, when it comes right down to it, it really has more to do with how one views one's own sexuality.Originally posted by Beyond Religion:My understanding is that in Buddhism, we are not to indulge in "sexual misconduct". However (to the best of my knowledge), the Buddhist scriptures do not define what is meant by sexual misconduct. I have read several Buddhist opinions on this issue. One says that a sexual encounter is not a "sexual misconduct" if no one is rightfully hurt in the process (This implies that I am not sexually misconducting myself if I swap my wife with another couple, since all parties involved are consenting...). Another says that a sexual encounter is not considered a sexual misconduct if it conforms to the prevailing societal norms.
As a possible result of the above, I read that homosexuality is actually not forbidden in Buddhism.
Does anyone have any thoughts on this?
In any case, most practicing Buddhists do not care about a person's sexual orientation. Like I said, we all have hang ups - Buddhist or not. But I think it's safe to say that most Buddhists recognize that such problems lie with the beholder and not the subject of prejudice.
For your info, in California, there are special sanghas which composed solely of Gay people
We can express our view on behaviors and our expression is generally tied to our level of development in the BuddhaDhamma. Remember right action, right speech and so on.
My opinion is to be compassionate, that way we can hardly go wrong. Gay, straight, both gay and straight we all need to overcome our hangups. Everyone who practises the Dhamma will reap the benefit. The dhamma doesn't discriminate.
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The Buddhist scriptures does say on this issue. I shall not elaborate.Originally posted by Beyond Religion:I have read several Buddhist opinions on this issue.
But one thing everyone knows, having sex outside your marriage/spouse is definitely a sexual misconduct... -
Sex is prohibited in monkhood, of course. But what you meant by rainy days?Originally posted by 798:in a temple in KL while i practiced my monkhood there (ba guan zai). it stated dat making love consider one of 10 things dat violated 3rd Precept. another is "Fei nan fei nu" which maybe referring to not human beings or tranny.
very hard for me to kick lust since i possess so much LOVE.
BTW, love can be seperate from lust. They are different.