Buddha's portrait when 41
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my bro took the pic in Taiwan
http://sg.geocities.com/sinweiy/DSC01197.JPG
http://sg.geocities.com/sinweiy/DSC01198.JPG
http://sg.geocities.com/sinweiy/DSC01199.JPG
but i found the website:
http://www.namoamitabha.net/gb/publication/10disciples/sakyamuni_image.htm
it's said to be drawn by Buddha's disciple when Buddha is 41. it's attached in the original copy of the sutra.
it's now in England Museum, regarded as national treasure.
wonder what's the disciple name in english?
here's the lists:
http://web.singnet.com.sg/~sidneys/disciples.htm
http://www.buddhanet.net/budsas/ebud/rdbud/rdbud-00.htm
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Ain't he suppose to be an indian? or north indian?
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very enlightening posts, thanks.
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ok what...north indian are not so dark one.Originally posted by Deportivo:Ain't he suppose to be an indian? or north indian?
it's different from what we commonly preceive. very human.
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north indian dont have sesame seed eyes.Originally posted by sinweiy:ok what...north indian are not so dark one.
it's different from what we commonly preceive. very human.
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he looks more chinese.Originally posted by Deportivo:north indian dont have sesame seed eyes. -
Hmm, I am quite sceptical about it.Originally posted by sinweiy:my bro took the pic in Taiwan
http://sg.geocities.com/sinweiy/DSC01197.JPG
http://sg.geocities.com/sinweiy/DSC01198.JPG
http://sg.geocities.com/sinweiy/DSC01199.JPG
but i found the website:
http://www.namoamitabha.net/gb/publication/10disciples/sakyamuni_image.htm
it's said to be drawn by Buddha's disciple when Buddha is 41. it's attached in the original copy of the sutra.
it's now in England Museum, regarded as national treasure.
wonder what's the disciple name in english?
here's the lists:
http://web.singnet.com.sg/~sidneys/disciples.htm
http://www.buddhanet.net/budsas/ebud/rdbud/rdbud-00.htm
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There is no proof to support that the picture was indeed lord buddha.
Probably a hoax or something. -
it's now known as Nepal already. very close to Tibet, China, maybe that's why.
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Lumbini was the birth place of the Buddha. Lumbini is situated at the foothills of the Himalayas in Nepal. Thats explain why his is not the common indian that we percieved...
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Originally posted by marcteng:
don't blame you. u read the chinese texts?
Hmm, I am quite sceptical about it.
There is no proof to support that the picture was indeed lord buddha.
Probably a hoax or something.
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no matter, doesnt convinces me that the pic was lord buddha.
just like the christians insisted the shroud was authentic.
during that time, there was no still cameras or film.
The writings of the dhamma was not written after dunno how many years after the Buddha's Final Nirvana, 500 years maybe?
If this picture is authentic, how come only record the Buddha only? how come no pictures of his disciples?
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The chinese text stated the portrait was hand drew by his disciple, it was alter/enhance with colors before it appear in british royal muesum... hmmmm...
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I would question the veracity and authenticity of the chinese text, pal.Originally posted by erijazz:The chinese text stated the portrait was hand drew by his disciple, it was alter/enhance with colors before it appear in british royal muesum... hmmmm...
How and where did the chinese text comes about?
There were only oral transmission of the dhamma during the time of the Buddha, pass down orally until some 500 years after the Buddha's Final Nirvana wasnt it. How could there be a drawing of the Buddha then, and how do you suppose the drawing was transmitted until now.
Sorry, there are a lot of things attributed to these and that which are nonsensical and baseless. One has to question the authenticity of the subject matter. -
Originally posted by Deportivo:north indian dont have sesame seed eyes.
oh my goodness.....
funny..... u all really can go and pin point out this and that....
my impression of him is way far more handsome than that portrait.. -
the chinese writings say it is a potrait of disciple fu lo na at age of 41Originally posted by sinweiy:my bro took the pic in Taiwan
http://sg.geocities.com/sinweiy/DSC01197.JPG
http://sg.geocities.com/sinweiy/DSC01198.JPG
http://sg.geocities.com/sinweiy/DSC01199.JPG
but i found the website:
http://www.namoamitabha.net/gb/publication/10disciples/sakyamuni_image.htm
it's said to be drawn by Buddha's disciple when Buddha is 41. it's attached in the original copy of the sutra.
it's now in England Museum, regarded as national treasure.
wonder what's the disciple name in english?
here's the lists:
http://web.singnet.com.sg/~sidneys/disciples.htm
http://www.buddhanet.net/budsas/ebud/rdbud/rdbud-00.htm
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As we know during Buddha Sakyamuni time ,the Monks have to perform shaving to reduce attachment to the
3 thousand strand of troubles-hair
it is not possible Buddha have not shaved and secondly ,the person
in the protrait wears ear ring ,which is not according to the teaching o
of Buddha Sakyamuni
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I think the Buddha would look serene, radiant, dignified, compassionate and the like.Originally posted by paperflower:
oh my goodness.....
funny..... u all really can go and pin point out this and that....
my impression of him is way far more handsome than that portrait..
The Buddha has the 32 marks of a superhuman mah.
How come got so much hair on his head and beard too. -
At one look I know it doesnt look like Buddha. Not close to the descriptions of 32 major marks and 80 minor marks. IMHO.
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what are the marks? can enlighten abit?
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http://rywiki.tsadra.org/index.php/The_Buddha's_32_Major_Marks
* [21,85] The thirty-two marks of excellence are as follows:
* [21,86] On the palms of his hands and the soles of his feet are the designs of a thousandspoked wheel that protrudes, as if stamped from a mold.
* [21,87] The soles of his feet are even and wellset, like the belly of a tortoise.
* [21,88] The fingers on his hands and the toes on his feet are, like the swan, connected with a web [made of light].
* [21,89] His arms and legs are smooth and firm.
* [21,90] The seven parts of his body are rounded — the wrists of his hands and ankles of his feet, the two shoulders and his neck, making seven, are rounded by being full, curved and without indentations.
* [21,91] His fingers and toes are long.
* [21,92] These four — the ball and heel of each foot — are prominent and broad.
* [21,93] Taller than the ordinary man, his body is about seven cubits, large and straight, firm like a diamond and endowed with the strength of Vishnu.
* [21,94] No protrusions are visible on his ankles and knees.
* [21,95] The hairs on his body grow in an upward direction.
* [21,96] His calves are round, full and beautiful like those of the enaya deer.
* [21,97] His arms are long and beautiful, and when extended they can cover his kneecaps, even without bending his body.
* [21,98] Like an elephant or a stallion, his genitals i.e., private parts are drawn up within a sheath.
* [21,99] His skin is the color of gold, clear and radiant, and has a beautiful shine.
* [21,100] His skin is thin and smooth.
* [21,101] Each hair on his body is fine and smooth, singular and curls to the right.
* [21,102] The place between his eyebrows is adorned with a coiled hair that is supple, smooth and white, and which, by nature, has the length of one or three cubits. Coiled clockwise, its size is like the kyurura fruit and it resembles a protrusion of silver.
* [21,103] The torso is expansive like a lion.
* [21,104] The top of the two shoulders are round like golden vases.
* [21,105] The two palms are round and full without any indentations.
* [21,106] His tongue has the quality that whatever taste is experienced becomes most delicious.
* [21,107] His body, with proportions like the nyagrodha tree, is upright, balanced and beautiful.
* [21,108] The protuberance, which is round, shiny black and coiled clockwise, is not evident to the sight.
* [21,109] His tongue, which is naturally large enough to cover his whole face, is long and beautiful.
* [21,110] His voice, endowed with the melodiousness of Brahma, has these five aspects of clarity: it is intelligible and brings full comprehension, is worthy of listening to and without unpleasant intonations, has depth and resonance, is generous and pleasant to hear, and is unruffled. Alternatively, these can be subdivided into sixty, or into the sixty aspects of melodious speech as will be explained below.
* [21,111] His two cheeks are beautiful, round, full and resemble the surface of a mirror or the jaws of a lion.
* [21,112] All his teeth, including the four incisors, have a very white color.
* [21,113] All the teeth are equal in length and width.
* [21,114] The teeth are evenly set, and are not divided by gaps.
* [21,115] He has the complete number of forty teeth; twenty each above and below.
* [21,116] While his eyes, beautiful like sapphire gems, show the primary feature, the particular aspects are these five: the iris in the middle of his eyes is round, shiny black like a bee, and has an extremely black pupil at its center; around them, the white of the eye, to the right and the left, is extremely white; the two corners have a red hue; the color of the center of the eye is bluish at the surface; and in its depth it is yellowish like the color of gold.
* [21,117] His eyelashes are like those of a supreme heifer, chief among cows.
* [21,118] The hairs on his upper and lower eyelids are beautifully curved and untangled, like the eyelashes of a cow or calf.
* [21,119] These thirtytwo marks make whoever sees them understand: “This is a great being,” and generate admiration. They are therefore known as the marks that signify a great being.
* [21,120] The Uttaratantra counts the two related to the bodyhairs and the two related to the skin each as one. His broad heels and nonprotruding ankles are one set. To substitute them, it teaches these three: the three lines on his throat that resemble an immaculate conch, his completely pure body endowed with a halo of light, and the hairs on his head that resemble sapphire jewels.
* [21,121] Mentioning that his body has the strength of Vishnu, as a substitute for being large and upright, and other such variations, evidently reflects a specific intent in the various sutras.
* [21,122] His throat, which resembles an immaculate conch, is called the conch of Dharma, the source from which the Brahmalike melodious sound of his voice arises. It is can be counted among the excellent marks, but most scriptures count it as the Brahmalike voice.
* [21,123] The minor marks are described as completing the details of the major marks, just as the anthers — themselves a detail of the flower — comprise a minor mark that embellishes the flower, which is the major mark. -
do u ppl PRAY to buddha and regard him as a god? or just take him as ur leader?
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http://rywiki.tsadra.org/index.php/The_Buddha's_80_Minor_Marks
* [21,124] The eighty minor marks are the following:
* [21,125] 1-3) His nails have a red color resembling copper, possess a shiny hue and their centers are raised, being neither concave nor flat.
* [21,126] 4-6) His fingers are rounded, broad and well-tapered.
* [21,127] 7- His veins are not visible, and are free from knots.
* [21,128] 9-11) His ankle-bones do not protrude, his feet are even and do not differ in length, and he walks with steps of even length.
* [21,129] 12-1 Outshining humans, he walks with the lionÂ’s gait; outshining nagas, he walks with the elephantÂ’s gait; he walks with the manner of the swan moving through the air; leading the retinue to the desired destination, he walks with the bullÂ’s gait; he walks naturally to the right side; he walks elegantly and attractively; and he walks evenly and straight. These were the seven manners of walking.
* [21,130] 19-21) His head is rounded and broad, like a parasol, his hairline is well-defined, and his forehead is broad and well-formed.
* [21,131] 22-27) His hair is shiny black like a bee, attractive, smooth, not tangled or matted, not strutting or unruly, and has a sweet scent.
* [21,132] 28-32) His eyes are long and wide, like the petals of the utpala flower; their black and white parts are well-defined and beautiful, like the petals of a lotus; his two eyes are pure, being free from defects of discoloration; his eyes are perfect, being free from the defilement of blurring when beholding an object; and his eyelashes are thick and attractive. These were the five minor marks of his eyes.
* [21,133] 33-36) Above his eyes, the eyebrows are long, have smooth hair, a shiny color, and have hairs of even length.
* [21,134] 37-3 His two ears are of equal size, and his faculty of hearing is totally unimpaired.
* [21,135] 39-40) His nose is prominent and totally clean, being free of mucus or the like.
* [21,136] 41-42) His face is even in size, not too long; and his lips are red, like the bimba fruit, and so bright they can reflect an image.
* [21,137] 43-45) His tongue, like the lotus, is supple, slender and red.
* [21,138] 46-50) His four incisors are round; they have sharp tips; his teeth are white in color, equal in length and are well-tapered.
* [21,139] 51-52) His voice is majestic like thunder, and being free from the harshness of scurrying sounds, is soft and gentle.
* [21,140] 53-54) His hands are long and broad, and are soft like cotton wool.
* [21,141] 55-57) The lines on his palms are distinct and clear, the lines are set deep, and they are long and without interruptions.
* [21,142] 58-67) Slender and shapely, his body is well-formed; free from irregular length and thickness, his body is well-proportioned; the details of the major marks are all distinct and complete; with the frame being wide and magnificent, he has a broad physical bearing; his body is extremely youthful; free from bumpiness, his body is smooth; free from the defect of an overlong body, his bearing is not sunken; his flesh is full; his body is firm and not sagging; his fingers and limbs are extremely well-proportioned through their well-defined thickness. These ten are the general qualities of his body.
* [21,143] 68-71) His body is free from moles and discoloration; free from unattractive defects, his body is perfect; it is spotless, being free from the impurities of eye-excretion, plaque on the teeth, and so forth; and being naturally clean, even without bathing, his body looks as if it were polished. These were the four qualities of his immaculate body.
* [21,144] 72-75) His waist is rounded as indicated by ‘well-rounded side’; the waist being regular, his belly is perfectly moderate; his belly is not drooping by being too long; and his belly is even since the abdomen, meaning the stomach, does not bulge. These were the four qualities of his lower torso.
* [21,145] 76-77) His navel is deep, and the designs of his navel coils to the right.
* [21,146] 78-80) The conduct of his three doors is pure, and his behavior is lovely to behold; his minor marks captivate peopleÂ’s mind by their mere sight, and the palms and the soles of his feet are marked with auspicious designs, which are counted as one. These three were the general qualities. -
We do 3 prostrations to the Buddha out of respects whenever we step into monastery, or before chanting sessions, etc.Originally posted by valentinoo:do u ppl PRAY to buddha and regard him as a god? or just take him as ur leader?
But we do not worship him and we treat him as the greatest teacher.
And also, Buddha is not a god, nor does he claim to be.. In fact he is known as the 'Teacher of the gods and men' and have transcended all samsaric realms of existences
A priest asked the Buddha:
Is your honour a god?
He replied:
No,indeed,i am not a god.
Then a heavenly spirit?
No,indeed.
Then a demigod?
No,indeed.
Then is your honour a human being?
No,i am not a human being.
You answer No to all my questions.What then are you?
The Buddha replied:All those defilements by which, if they had not been extinguished, i might have been a god,a heavenly spirit,a demigod or a human being,have been extinguished in me.Just as a blue,red or white lotus,although it has grown up in the water is unsoiled by the water when it reaches the surface,so although i was born in the world i have overcome the world and i abide unsoiled in the world.Take it that i am Buddha,the Awakened One. -
i see so who do u pray to then ?Originally posted by An Eternal Now: -
I dont know what you mean by pray.Originally posted by valentinoo:i see so who do u pray to then ?
We prostrate out of respect and reverence, but we dont worship. We dont worship deities and gods either, that is Chinese folks traditions, ming-jian-xing-yang. -
If people still thought buddha is an indian, there must be many other misunderstand that they have on buddhism.Originally posted by Deportivo:Ain't he suppose to be an indian? or north indian?
