Nichiren Buddhism
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Fa shi didnt talk to her before she died but we did ask some monks to chant for her in the funeral... she was suffering from lao ren zhi dai then, and pass away aftering suffering for 2 years...Originally posted by An Eternal Now:Hmm, firstly did a Fa Shi talked to her before she died or before cremation?
Did she practise chanting before she died?
If she usually got cultivate 'Shan Gen Fu De Yin Yuan', then at death she chant Amitabha, there is a chance that your grandma is reborn in Pure Land.
My Grandma, I'm quite sure that she is reborn in pure land bcos of a lot of signs.
My grandmother has given herself alot for the family. Though she like argue with people but she is a kind person. -
I see...
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Erm so those who are believed to born in pureland... do they come back on the 7th day to visit the family.. cos my grandma does if she is really born in pureland... cos there were some signals that she came back....
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Nope... People born in Pure Land do not come back to visit family.Originally posted by Isis:Erm so those who are believed to born in pureland... do they come back on the 7th day to visit the family.. cos my grandma does if she is really born in pureland... cos there were some signals that she came back.... -
Actually did she really chant herself? Bcos if she never chant herself then there is no way she could have been reborn in Pure Land.. Also you have seen the she li hua urself rite? how does it look like?
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Yup. I knew that @ the start. Anyway, the Nichiren Shu temple in Singapore is located @ 9 Lor 29 Geylang #07-01. They welcome people from Soka & Shoshu to visit the temple for themselves to see what Nichiren Buddhism really.Originally posted by An Eternal Now:Oh I see... it is also a few lorongs away from my dharma centre. BTW, this forum is not related to Blissful Wisdom Centre
If I'm not mistaken, Blissful Wisdom Centre which is a branch Jen Chen Buddhism in Singapore is located Lor 27 Geylang, Citiraya Centre. Right?
Buddha's Grace.
Supa Naga
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No, Blissful Wisdom Centre is another dharma centre. My dharma centre in lorong 27 citiraya building is "Jen Chen Buddhist Blissful Culture Centre". There other branches but not in Geylang.Originally posted by supa_naga:Yup. I knew that @ the start. Anyway, the Nichiren Shu temple in Singapore is located @ 9 Lor 29 Geylang #07-01. They welcome people from Soka & Shoshu to visit the temple for themselves to see what Nichiren Buddhism really.
If I'm mistaken, Blissful Wisdom Centre which is a branch Jen Chen Buddhism in Singapore is located Lor 27 Geylang, Citiraya Centre. Right?
Buddha's Grace.
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Oops! Sorry. I've got the name wrong, actually I meant Blissful Culture Centre. Well, the other branches should be Jen Chen Vihara @ Tai Keng Gardens, Jen Chen Activity Centre @ King George Centre, Jen Chen Buddhist Church @ Lor Kilat & Jen Chen Buddhism Centre @ Toa Payoh Central.Originally posted by An Eternal Now:No, Blissful Wisdom Centre is another dharma centre. My dharma centre in lorong 27 citiraya building is "Jen Chen Buddhist Blissful Culture Centre". There other branches but not in Geylang.
Praise the Lord !
Yours in Lord Buddha's Grace,
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Well, in Singapore, whether it is SSA (Soka Gakkai in Singapore), Nichiren Shoshu Buddhist Association (Singapore) or Lotus Sutra Buddhist Association, they are all officially recognised as they are religious org's registered with ROS under the Societies Act.Originally posted by chunyong:hmm, the official one is Singapore Soka Association aka SSA, who took part in almost all the NDPs except 1 yr if i am not wrong. the other sect however is not really recognised here.
when my grandma passed away, i am grateful that close to or perhaps over 100 people from SSA came down on the last day of the wake to chant for her b4 the cremation.
my grandma been chanting for i think over a few decades and when we pick her bones we found lots of She Li Hua...at the cranium area.
So, the issue is not about one is official or the other is not recognised. It is being in mainstream Buddhist community; Soka & Shoshu are considered to be pseudo-Buddhist cults & not in mainstream due to one of the reasons being not honouring Lord Sakyamuni Buddha & push Him aside.
Lord Buddha is the Only Way
Buddha's Grace,
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Jen Chen Buddhist Church? dont think correct name leh.. lolOriginally posted by supa_naga:Oops! Sorry. I've got the name wrong, actually I meant Blissful Culture Centre. Well, the other branches should be Jen Chen Vihara @ Tai Keng Gardens, Jen Chen Activity Centre @ King George Centre, Jen Chen Buddhist Church @ Lor Kilat & Jen Chen Buddhism Centre @ Toa Payoh Central.
Praise the Lord !
Yours in Lord Buddha's Grace,
Supa Naga
You visited any of those b4? u have friends from ren cheng? -
Jen Chen Buddhist Church?Originally posted by An Eternal Now:Jen Chen Buddhist Church? dont think correct name leh.. lol
You visited any of those b4? u have friends from ren cheng?
doesn't sound buddhist leh -
Eh I checked..
but its in chinese... ren cheng fo jiao tang
i think its 'ren cheng fo jiao', 'tang'
not 'ren cheng fo', 'jiao tang'
but anyway, i have never visited the english centre, their dharma teacher is dr.tian ming and created the www.jenchen.org.sg website which i find very useful. i have also not visited ren cheng fo jiao tang b4. -
i see i see....Originally posted by An Eternal Now:Eh I checked..
but its in chinese... ren cheng fo jiao tang
i think its 'ren cheng fo jiao', 'tang'
not 'ren cheng fo', 'jiao tang'
but anyway, i have never visited the english centre, their dharma teacher is dr.tian ming and created the www.jenchen.org.sg website which i find very useful. i have also not visited ren cheng fo jiao tang b4. -
Well, I am not against nor hate Soka for in regards to their manner in observance of Buddhist practice, although I personally do not always agree with their particular methods or style of propagation, I must say that it is wonderful that they teach people to chant the Lotus Sutra and Odaimoku of Namu Myoho Renge Kyo. What is important to remember is that you have met the Lotus Sutra and that you are embracing faith right now. It is because of your relationship with the Buddha (called "en" in Buddhist terminology) in the past that you have been able to encounter the Lotus Sutra today. For this you should be grateful to whoever introduced you to the Lotus Sutra and the testimonial teachings of Nichiren Shonin.Originally posted by dork3d:Me and my dad are members of Singapore Soka Association.
Your definitions on the sects are quite right, it's just that there are always black sheeps that spoilt the image of the Buddhism. Actually SSA is a recognised member of the Buddhism community in Singapore.
As for Nichiren Shoshu, there are a few offspringed sects that practised otherwise different from what me practised. We chant the Lotus Script in Japanese whereas they don't. They also practised more towards Materialism which in Buddhism we are taught in forgiveness and non-materialism.
You may find some members outright disgusting from Nichiren and me as member we are ashamed by what they do. Diversely we were from the same root and practise the same fundamental of Buddha teachings, just that they strayed away from the mainstream.
As for our President of SSA, he's not our spiritual leader and as a matter of fact, he's more like a coordinator and regulator of the Association throughout the SEA region. Our belief is very much still the basic understandings and lessons to be learned from Buddhism.
Btw, I need get the facts straight : SSA is not recognised in the mainstream Buddhist community for way back in 2003 their application to S'pore Buddhist Federation (SBF) was NOT approved as they couldn't fulfil 3 SBF conditions of Recognising Sakyamuni Buddha as the Founder & Original Teacher, Fly the Buddhist Flag & Celebrate Vesak Day in May. Plus, their mother org in Japan are not part of Japan Buddhist Federation (JBF) nor are a member of the Federation of New Religions in Japan.
Whether it is Nichiren Shu, Nichiren Shoshu or SGI, all chant the Lotus Sutra (not Script) in Sino-Jap. For materialism, SGI seems to hold on to this alot as Josei Toda (2nd President) quoted before the Gohonzon is like a "happiness-making machine" where one can pray happiness, including material happiness, to it. E.g. to pray for a car, a house, good grades, chant odaimoku.
Actually, both Shoshu & Soka are deviated from mainstream.; whereas Nichiren Shu is in the mainstream. I meant the President of SGI, Ikeda, who has become its spiritual leader & the members read his works like Guidance Today & study Lotus Sutra thru Words of Wisdom written by him instead of the Lotus Sutra itself. -
Originally posted by neutral_onliner:
Well, it is still Buddhistic as it is very common in North America. Anyway, the word "church" shouldn't be exclusively for Christianity. For example, Buddhist Churches of America & Buddhist Churches of Canada to name a few.
Jen Chen Buddhist [b]Church?
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Well, I think you open yourself for more info & research other than solely on the Soka study dept for materials. E.g. for Japanese Buddhist History, a good book will be A History of Japanese Religion published by Kosei Publishing.Originally posted by dork3d:But from what we understand from the teachings, the mainstream of Buddhism has evolved very much in the fact due to the very different cultures, especially due to the influx of radical thinkings back during the Meiji revolution. Much needed to be done to diversely incultilate the mainstream back into SSA, and very much so that we are already changing much of our teachings.
When priest Nichiren brought back the whole set of Lotus Sutra scriptures from China back to Japan, much of the scriptures were lost in the sea due to rough sea conditions and he barely made it back. Based on what was remained in his case, he translated the remaining of the Lotus Sutra into Gohonzon (which we chant from today), but on the cover of our scripture, it os stated that it's only part of the whole Lotus Sutra and his ordeal was recorded in the Grand Shrine in Japan.
Regarding the issue of Nichiren Shonin's trip to China, I'll find out more Rev. Obata of Nichiren Shu in S'pore. Btw, I hope u can Nichiren Shu's mission in S'pore to see for yourself what Nichiren Buddhism really is. Their address is 9 Lor 29 Geylang #07-01 & they have morning Gongyo service on Sun's from 1030am to 1200pm.
Namu Myoho Renge Kyo
Yours in Gassho,
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I apologise for the possible mistake in translation. Anyway, I do have a friend @ Jen Chen Activity Centre.Originally posted by An Eternal Now:Eh I checked..
but its in chinese... ren cheng fo jiao tang
i think its 'ren cheng fo jiao', 'tang'
not 'ren cheng fo', 'jiao tang'
but anyway, i have never visited the english centre, their dharma teacher is dr.tian ming and created the www.jenchen.org.sg website which i find very useful. i have also not visited ren cheng fo jiao tang b4. -
I seeOriginally posted by supa_naga:I apologise for the possible mistake in translation. Anyway, I do have a friend @ Jen Chen Activity Centre.
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i noe tat there r common in North America and west but just find it strange in asia...so my question to u is do u rgds Sakyamuni Buddha as the Founder & Original Teacher ?Originally posted by supa_naga:Well, it is still Buddhistic as it is very common in North America. Anyway, the word "church" shouldn't be exclusively for Christianity. For example, Buddhist Churches of America & Buddhist Churches of Canada to name a few.
btw thnks 4 the info -
Erm im not really sure whether she has chanted but she has lao ren si dai and she can't even remember who she is... My family say that she has shen li hua ...i wasn't there when she was cremated...Originally posted by An Eternal Now:Actually did she really chant herself? Bcos if she never chant herself then there is no way she could have been reborn in Pure Land.. Also you have seen the she li hua urself rite? how does it look like?
The person who cremate her remains found the thing.. im not really sure what it looks like though... i think it pink .. erm not very sure though..
i don't think she was born in pureland cos she has heavy attachment to my uncle and his small son.... maybe reborn into somewhere nice... -
Yes, supa_naga is from Nichiren Shu.Originally posted by neutral_onliner:i noe tat there r common in North America and west but just find it strange in asia...so my question to u is do u rgds Sakyamuni Buddha as the Founder & Original Teacher ?
btw thnks 4 the info
1) Nichiren Shu
- Buddha : Eternal Sakyamuni Buddha
- Dhamma : Mahayana Tripitaka with the Lotus Sutra as base, Namu Myoho Renge Kyo
- Sangha : Nichiren Shonin (with the monastics & lay community) -
Originally posted by An Eternal Now:
thnks 4 the ans
Yes, supa_naga is from Nichiren Shu.
[b]1) Nichiren Shu
- Buddha : Eternal Sakyamuni Buddha
- Dhamma : Mahayana Tripitaka with the Lotus Sutra as base, Namu Myoho Renge Kyo
- Sangha : Nichiren Shonin (with the monastics & lay community)
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since they pay homage to Eternal Sakyamuni Buddha i think they r considered buddhists -
I state the stand here
I welcome Nichiren Shu in this forum ,which is part of Japanese Tendai Buddhism
Peaceful Nichiren Shoshu and Sokka Gakkai members are also welcomed to share on Buddha Sakyamuni in Compassionate Affinity and Buddha_mandala Blessings
Anyone is welcome to setup a new forum for SSA or Nichiren Shu or Shoshu
and link to Buddhist Forum in general
but ....
Whoever Post Offending remarks to Bodhisattva ,and discriminate any Mahayana Sutras ,scant regards to any chapters of Lotus Sutra will be deleted without question
I dun wish to see another beings in Hell due to delusion over existence of Mahasattvas .
Mahayana and Vajrayana Buddhism is about Compassionate and Equality
Reciprocate this and the thread will be welcomed by anyone
This include Compassionate Affinity and Buddha_Mandala_Blessings
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Well, the question is not about being strange in Asia but it is on your mindset. Do you know that the word "temple" was actually from the Christian Bible at 1st, & the word "monastery" was used by the Roman Catholic Christian before us.Originally posted by neutral_onliner:i noe tat there r common in North America and west but just find it strange in asia...so my question to u is do u rgds Sakyamuni Buddha as the Founder & Original Teacher ?
btw thnks 4 the info
Yup! I do rgrd Lord Sakyamuni Buddha as the Founder & Original Teacher, & I personally advocate the Return to the Heart of Buddha (Hui2 Gui1 Fo2 Tuo2 Ben3 Huai2).
Praise the Lord! Lord Buddha is the Only Way!
Buddha's Grace,
Supa Naga -
Originally posted by An Eternal Now:
Well, I don't restrict myself to Nichiren Shu as I am Sakyamuni-based, not Nichiren-based. But I do have my respect to Nichiren Shonin for his missionary zeal to propagate the original & true teachings of Lord Sakyamuni Buddha in 13th century Japan when the Buddhism then was very messy & people virtually forgotten whom Sakyamuni Buddha is.
Yes, supa_naga is from Nichiren Shu.
[b]1) Nichiren Shu
- Buddha : Eternal Sakyamuni Buddha
- Dhamma : Mahayana Tripitaka with the Lotus Sutra as base, Namu Myoho Renge Kyo
- Sangha : Nichiren Shonin (with the monastics & lay community)
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Anyway, other than attending morning service & sermon session on Sun's @ Nichiren Shu, I also attend Dhamma class @ Mahaprajna Buddhist Society on Tues evenings & go to Buddha Dhamma Mandala Society (BDMS) for their Scripture Study & Discussion with Ven. S. Dhammika on Fri nites.
Btw, FYI I attended a rare Dhamma seminar by Missionary Minister Chen Ming An (Chen2 Ming2 An1 Chuan2 Jiao4 Shi4) in Mar on one of the Sat's @ Jen Chen Activity Centre, too.