The Ultimate Truth (Emptiness)
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Originally posted by sinweiy:
There is a difference between judging and making a suggestion for you to consider. I will be judging if I go further than simply pointing something out to you. The correct respond from you is not... do not judge. The correct respond from you is: "What is he trying to say? Is there any truth in what he said?" That is looking inward.
if we all can sever the judging mind that's the root of all problem, all will be well.
even bible know this concept:
[b]“Judge not, that ye be not judged. For with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged: and with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you again. And why beholdest thou the mote that is in thy brother's eye, but considerest not the beam that is in thine own eye? Or how wilt thou say to thy brother, Let me pull out the mote out of thine eye; and, behold, a beam is in thine own eye? Thou hypocrite, first cast out the beam out of thine own eye; and then shalt thou see clearly to cast out the mote out of thy brother's eye.” - Matthew 7:1-5
ps: look inward, and enlightenment is near.
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Spiritual truth is so elusive because of some factors...
1. Using the wrong mode of seeking.
What do i mean by this. Firstly we try to relate and uncover spiritual reality with our own thinking faculty. This will lead us to nowhere because spiritual reality is what is encapsulating our limited thinking faculty. Spiritual reality is in a way 'beyond' the thinking mode assigned by a personality/self.
No offence, but most people are doing this precisely. As such believers can ONLY believe and NOT experience. To experience ... we must first MEDITATE... and train the thinking mind.
2. We think we know it all.
When we think we know it all, the thought of 'we know it all' will block us from knowing anything deeply. Why is that so?...because a 'know-it-all' thinks he/she knows it all and will not seek to know deeply and therefore will not go deep enough...
Not directed at anyone... just a sharing of my thoughts...
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how the world is going to progress if all the scientist and philosophers ....
progress is one thing, we also need to look at the characteristic and moral side of a person.
PM Lee also mentioned in the rally, we don’t really need a very clever or smart person, more importantly we need a righteous person. as if the person is not righteous then the more clever he/she is the more dangerous it’s going to be. i hope the government can see this point and start to implement morale education such as “4 book 5 sutra” (like what korean is doing) for growing children.
so if the progress is for the benefit of human kind, itÂ’s a good progress. but if itÂ’s for personal, selfish, egolistic sake, then i think we got a problem, since we have this copyright thingy. ppl think itÂ’s progressing, but hiddenly itÂ’s going downhill.
i think i heard even England and Australia is implementing Buddha teachings(not as religion thingy, but moral one) in the educational system.
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Originally posted by casino_king:
same goes for us to u.
The correct respond from you is: "What is he trying to say? Is there any truth in what he said?" That is looking inward.
The correct respond from u is: "What are they trying to say? Is there any truth in what they said?" That is looking inward.
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Thusness told me... some people lack the 'touch' (touch of pure presence?) otherwise it will set that person on a spiritual journey. And anyway he cannot foresee an end to the ongoing chatterOriginally posted by longchen:Spiritual truth is so elusive because of some factors...
1. Using the wrong mode of seeking.
What do i mean by this. Firstly we try to relate and uncover spiritual reality with our own thinking faculty. This will lead us to nowhere because spiritual reality is what is encapsulating our limited thinking faculty. Spiritual reality is in a way 'beyond' the thinking mode assigned by a personality/self.
No offence, but most people are doing this precisely. As such believers can ONLY believe and NOT experience. To experience ... we must first MEDITATE... and train the thinking mind.
2. We think we know it all.
When we think we know it all, the thought of 'we know it all' will block us from knowing anything deeply. Why is that so?...because a 'know-it-all' thinks he/she knows it all and will not seek to know deeply and therefore will not go deep enough...
Not directed at anyone... just a sharing of my thoughts... 
Neither do I.. 
but it's ok.. hehe -
one group see/believe only wat he sees.
one group see/follow wats on the teaching.
one group see/pray only with a statue to feel the presence of 'god'.
are there differences among them?
no.
but are they in the wrong by seein with 'naked eyes'?
no.
for its juz a passin phrase.
when all are on the boat(not enlightened) ..does it matter which gp ocupy a bigger space?
when all are in the 'not enlightened' state...y find 'fault' in others where one dun even noe wats 'right or wrong'.
with 'fate' ..a guy meet a ger
with 'love'...they fantasize their future.
can others see the future between the two?
can science prove their future?
no.
in the end,
they built their own future
they live in all after.
can others experience the love they hav for one other?
can others enjoy the happy moment they hav btwen them?
no.
2 man went fishin
days and nites of time wasting
one man leave in the end
one man stay till the end
but wats the result for the man who stay..
do u have the ans?
do i hav the ans"
no
only tat guy has the final ans.
what is reality
what is fantasy
no one knows exactly
unless one went thru it personally
then they will kill their own curosity.
mind is boundless
but it has to be spiritually grounded
for it to b 'formidable'
but how to be spiritually grounded?
this is spiritual path.
thank you -
lovelyOriginally posted by simplified:one group see/believe only wat he sees.
one group see/follow wats on the teaching.
one group see/pray only with a statue to feel the presence of 'god'.
are there differences among them?
no.
but are they in the wrong by seein with 'naked eyes'?
no.
for its juz a passin phrase.
when all are on the boat(not enlightened) ..does it matter which gp ocupy a bigger space?
when all are in the 'not enlightened' state...y find 'fault' in others where one dun even noe wats 'right or wrong'.
with 'fate' ..a guy meet a ger
with 'love'...they fantasize their future.
can others see the future between the two?
can science prove their future?
no.
in the end,
they built their own future
they live in all after.
can others experience the love they hav for one other?
can others enjoy the happy moment they hav btwen them?
no.
2 man went fishin
days and nites of time wasting
one man leave in the end
one man stay till the end
but wats the result for the man who stay..
do u have the ans?
do i hav the ans"
no
only tat guy has the final ans.
what is reality
what is fantasy
no one knows exactly
unless one went thru it personally
then they will kill their own curosity.
mind is boundless
but it has to be spiritually grounded
for it to b 'formidable'
but how to be spiritually grounded?
this is spiritual path.
thank you -
What is the View? It is nothing less than seeing the actual state of things
as they are; it is knowing that the true nature of mind is the true nature
of everything; and it is realizing that the true nature of mind is the
absolute truth.
Dudjom Rinpoche says: “The View is the comprehension of the naked awareness,
within which everything is contained: sensory perception and phenomenal
existence, samsara and nirvana. This awareness has two aspects: ‘emptiness’
as the absolute, and ‘appearances’ or ‘perception’ as the relative.”
Sogyal Rinpoche
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More than twenty-five hundred years ago, a man who had been searching for
the truth for many, many lifetimes came to a quiet place in northern India
and sat down under a tree. He continued to sit under the tree, with immense
resolve, and vowed not to get up until he had found the truth.
At dusk, it is said, he conquered all the dark forces of delusion; and early
the next morning, as the planet Venus broke in the dawn sky, the man was
rewarded for his age-long patience, discipline, and flawless concentration
by achieving the final goal of human existence: enlightenment.
At that sacred moment, the earth itself shuddered, as if “drunk with bliss,”
and, as the scriptures tell us: “No one anywhere was angry, ill or sad; no
one did evil, none was proud; the world became quite quiet, as though it had
reached full perfection.” This man became known as Buddha.
Sogyal Rinpoche -
Originally posted by neutral_onliner:
What happened to neutral_onliner? He said that he will help me along in understanding buddhism? I like his step by step way.
ok..mr CASINO since i'm 'free' till late afternoon why not i help u along in understanding buddhism.Well when learning everything we have to start from basic .why don we start from the basic ? -
One great master in the nineteenth century had a disciple who was very
thick-headed. The master had taught him again and again, trying to introduce
him to the nature of his mind. Still he did not get it. Finally, the master
became furious and told him: “Look, I want you to carry this bag full of
barley up to the top of that mountain over there. But you mustnÂ’t stop and
rest. Just keep on going until you reach the top.”
The disciple was a simple man, but he had unshakable devotion and trust in
his master, and he did exactly as he had been told. The bag was heavy and it
took him a long time.
At last, when he reached the top, he dropped the bag. He slumped to the
ground, overcome with exhaustion, but deeply relaxed. All his resistance had
dissolved, and with it his ordinary mind. At that instant, he suddenly
realized the nature of his mind. He ran back down the mountain, and, against
all convention, burst into his masterÂ’s room.
“I think I’ve got it now . . . I’ve really got it!”
His master smiled at him knowingly. “So you had an interesting climb up the
mountain, did you?”
Sogyal Rinpoche -
this is what i think tooOriginally posted by neutral_onliner:u huh...learn abit here learn abit there(wf no guidance )then form them thru ur not so correct understanding and now become 'rojok' knowledge
CK has rojak knowledge.... -
dear all, kind of think of it. actually thereÂ’s another deeper meaning to "thou shalt not judge", if we can see not the moon pointing finger, but the moon itself. then it's not conventionally about judging or suggesting, but about cause and effect. can even use the word suggest to replace judge.
There is a difference between judging and making a suggestion for you to consider.
“Suggest not, that ye be not suggested. For with what suggestion ye suggest, ye shall be suggested: and with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you again. And why beholdest thou the mote that is in thy brother's eye, but considerest not the beam that is in thine own eye? Or how wilt thou say to thy brother, Let me pull out the mote out of thine eye; and, behold, a beam is in thine own eye? Thou hypocrite, first cast out the beam out of thine own eye; and then shalt thou see clearly to cast out the mote out of thy brother's eye.” - Matthew 7:1-5
ps: ya, neutral_onliner, do cont.
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nice quote of sogyal rinpocheOriginally posted by geforce:One great master in the nineteenth century had a disciple who was very
thick-headed. The master had taught him again and again, trying to introduce
him to the nature of his mind. Still he did not get it. Finally, the master
became furious and told him: “Look, I want you to carry this bag full of
barley up to the top of that mountain over there. But you mustnÂ’t stop and
rest. Just keep on going until you reach the top.”
The disciple was a simple man, but he had unshakable devotion and trust in
his master, and he did exactly as he had been told. The bag was heavy and it
took him a long time.
At last, when he reached the top, he dropped the bag. He slumped to the
ground, overcome with exhaustion, but deeply relaxed. All his resistance had
dissolved, and with it his ordinary mind. At that instant, he suddenly
realized the nature of his mind. He ran back down the mountain, and, against
all convention, burst into his masterÂ’s room.
“I think I’ve got it now . . . I’ve really got it!”
His master smiled at him knowingly. “So you had an interesting climb up the
mountain, did you?”
Sogyal Rinpoche
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Ok guys I just came back from Jerusalem 2hrs ago. I walk the "Via Dolorosa, Way of Sorrow" or "Way of the Cross". This is the path where Jesus's last walk with the cross. Total 14 stations. From Jesus is condemned till Jesus is placed in the tomb.
There is nothing mentions about "Ultimate Truth (Emptiness)" on this tour. There is no such teaching or understanding seen on this tour. I seen only history & tourism blend together. The Tour Guide can only confirm Jerusalem is the place where Jesus died, but the actual place is "JUST CULTURE".
Jerusalum old city is split into Jews, Arabs & Muslims. Good ingredient for religion tension.
This is how I feel & think. When I was at "The Wall". This is Jews holliest prayer & wish making place. There is a feelings keep coming up. I can't described it clearly. Very mixed not happy nor sorrow or anything. Maybe just the enviroment. The second place is Station 13. The stone where Jesus's body was taken from the cross & laid there for cleaning. Just full of sorrow feelings. No doubt Jesus have did something that touched people. I will not argue he is a saint. As "God's Son" I think twice because this was a pass down story & how can a women give birth without having a man or science's help. His story I think is highly "Painted". Too many history is not accurate. Some says he came back from death, some say he was poison to sleep for 3 days. His body was told buried as a Jews but was not at the Jews grave. Take away those magical touch in this story, too many points in it is non-logical to modern science or no prove to actually what happened.
If got chance I would like to visit Hindus Holy place. Heard they have a few millions of Gods to pray. To me seems like too many?? -
You seem to have a lot of trust in your own feelings, why is that?Originally posted by surfer188:Ok guys I just came back from Jerusalem 2hrs ago. I walk the "Via Dolorosa, Way of Sorrow" or "Way of the Cross". This is the path where Jesus's last walk with the cross. Total 14 stations. From Jesus is condemned till Jesus is placed in the tomb.
If got chance I would like to visit Hindus Holy place. Heard they have a few millions of Gods to pray. To me seems like too many??
edited to add: Before you visit Hindu temples, just remember that all the Gods you see are just aspects, manifestations of one God. -
Cool!!Originally posted by surfer188:Ok guys I just came back from Jerusalem 2hrs ago. I walk the "Via Dolorosa, Way of Sorrow" or "Way of the Cross". This is the path where Jesus's last walk with the cross. Total 14 stations. From Jesus is condemned till Jesus is placed in the tomb.
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How to cease craving or lessen attachment for sensual pleasure?Originally posted by neutral_onliner:hmm... let put it this way People who desire to own many things can never be fully satisfied too. Like children in a toy shop, they crave for all the attractive things they see around them. But like children too, they soon become dissatisfied with what they already have and desire for more. Sometimes, they can hardly eat or sleep until they get what they want. Yet when they succeeded in getting what they want, they may still find their happiness short-lived. Many will be too worried for the safety and condition of their new possessions to enjoy it. Then when the object they possess eventually breaks into pieces and has to be thrown away, they will suffer its loss even more.
so u see When we have obtained something that we desire, we may want more and more of it and so greed arises.It like filling the " black hole" .It never enough.We thought that by having all these things will give everlasting happiness.It never happen.
take for another example A very poor, underprivileged person might think that it would be wonderful to have a car or a television set and, should he acquire them, would at first feel very happy and satisfied. Now, if such happiness were permanent, as long as he had the car and the TV set he would remain happy. But he does not; his happiness goes away. After a few months he wants another kind of car; if he has the money, he will buy a better television set. The old things, the same objects that once gave him much satisfaction, now cause dissatisfaction.
so u see what we really need is not that much however what we want is never enough. -
There are many ways... one way is by contemplation of the body..Originally posted by Isis:How to cease craving or lessen attachment for sensual pleasure? -
icic how do u do there?Originally posted by An Eternal Now:There are many ways... one way is by contemplation of the body.. -
The books by Ajahn Maha Boowa got mention.Originally posted by Isis:icic how do u do there?
But anyway I don't really practise that particular meditation and my personal suggestion is to learn directly from a meditation teacher, that would be better. -
Not just me trust my own feelings a lot. I have few close friends trust my views/feelings for projected up to 3 years. Believe it or not up to you. When one is silence, informations is always there. I stress I don't have "abilities". It's normal senses. Like sometimes you may have experiance that you did something before & you are very sure of it. Like women senses the sincerity of a man. Some people call it instinct, some call it six-sense. Just is type of senses only.Originally posted by casino_king:You seem to have a lot of trust in your own feelings, why is that?
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I know what you mean but for discussion sake, do you think that the essence of Buddhism is this? To develop this ability? What about reasoning? What about analysis? Is this a replacement for "logic?" A shortcut? A lazy person's wasy or avoiding hard thinking?Originally posted by surfer188:Not just me trust my own feelings a lot. I have few close friends trust my views/feelings for projected up to 3 years. Believe it or not up to you. When one is silence, informations is always there. I stress I don't have "abilities". It's normal senses. Like sometimes you may have experiance that you did something before & you are very sure of it. Like women senses the sincerity of a man. Some people call it instinct, some call it six-sense. Just is type of senses only.
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Originally posted by casino_king:
might want to analysis our past ancestor chinese expression saying "the more clever one is the more careless they are." and "being smart for one moment, but deluded for one life." or hokkien expression: "father heaven favour fool." or Christian(?) : is easier for 'fool' to enter the heaven's gate than a smart person, as the smart person will analysis the gate first, before entering. something like that.
What about reasoning? What about analysis? Is this a replacement for "logic?" A shortcut? A lazy person's wasy or avoiding hard thinking?
Like I said, I know what you mean but I am asking you these questions for discussion sake.[/b]
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Do you think that there is a very fine line between depending on "intuition" and fantasy/delusion? How do you tell the difference?Originally posted by sinweiy:might want to analysis our past ancestor chinese expression saying "the more clever one is the more careless they are." and "being smart for one moment, but deluded for one life." or hokkien expression: "father heaven favour fool." or Christian(?) : is easier for 'fool' to enter the heaven's gate than a smart person, as the smart person will analysis the gate first, before entering. something like that.
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Originally posted by casino_king:
even what we think is 'real' if prime to the max, become delusion also. it's natural law of polarity. ie bad if prime to the max become good. good if prime to the max become bad. Buddha was enlightened because of the Middle Way.
Do you think that there is a very fine line between depending on "intuition" and fantasy/delusion? How do you tell the difference?
realism and delusion are one, ie all in the mind.
beauty/delusion/realism lies in the eyes/mind of the beholder.
Buddha realised that there are 9 consciousness all together. 1-6 is the six senses we know. the 6th is the logical/anlysis mind. the 7th is sub-consciousness of attachment/ego.
8th is a store house of thoughts and memories. the 9th is the non-dual cosmic pure true mind. so 6th consciousness is not always all correct, as/if it's polluted/mixed with 1-5 or the 7th, it's also deluded.
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