The Ultimate Truth (Emptiness)
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If you put Form is emptiness and emptiness is form together with "The Middle Way" what do you get?Originally posted by sinweiy:even what we think is 'real' if prime to the max, become delusion also. it's natural law of polarity. ie bad if prime to the max become good. good if prime to the max become bad. Buddha was enlightened because of the Middle Way.
realism and delusion are one, ie all in the mind.
beauty/delusion/realism lies in the eyes/mind of the beholder.
Buddha realised that there are 9 consciousness all together. 1-6 is the six senses we know. the 6th is the logical/anlysis mind. the 7th is sub-consciousness of attachment/ego.
8th is a store house of thoughts and memories. the 9th is the non-dual cosmic pure true mind. so 6th consciousness is not always all correct, as/if it's polluted/mixed with 1-5 or the 7th, it's also deluded.
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If you put form is emptiness and emptiness is form together with Quantum Theory and cognition what do you get? -
My understanding may not be correct.Originally posted by casino_king:Do you think that there is a very fine line between depending on "intuition" and fantasy/delusion? How do you tell the difference?
Intuition - Answer/feelings not come from thinking/wanting base.
Fantasy/delusion - Answer/feelings comes from thinking/wanting base.
How to know the difference between Intuition & Fantasy. Always check back if the answer or feelings come from self & not be lead by it. Maybe this clears out some points. -
I think that intuition is coming to a conclusion without having worked out why you come to the conclusion.Originally posted by surfer188:My understanding may not be correct.
Intuition - Answer/feelings not come from thinking/wanting base.
Fantasy/delusion - Answer/feelings comes from thinking/wanting base.
How to know the difference between Intuition & Fantasy. Always check back if the answer or feelings come from self & not be lead by it. Maybe this clears out some points.
But after having concluded, you work backwards, it makes sense.
It is like you can do the experiements and then come to a conclusion or you can come to a conclusion and then do the experiments to prove it.
Fantasy/Delusion is similarly coming to a conclusion without working it all out. When you try to work it out; it makes no sense at all. -
Originally posted by neutral_onliner:
This is the dhamma on emptiness by the great maha bodhisattva Guan Shi Yin Pusa to the venerable Sariputta, chief disciple of the Buddha Gotama.
[b]form is emptiness; emptiness is form.form is non other than emptiness as emptiness is non other than form.
what is emptiness ?
what is form ?
Is an empty cup throughly empty?
If so how could it be empty if it full of emptiness?
a cup can only be fully emptied when it emptyed of it own emptiness
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You and I would not possibly understand the abstract teachings of this great sutra on emptiness.
You might think you know what emptiness is, but I think not.
we only come to know by studying, but doesnt know what that means and its application. -
you are not me, how do you know that I would not possibly understand the abstract teachings of this great sutra on emptiness?Originally posted by marcteng:This is the dhamma on emptiness by the great maha bodhisattva Guan Shi Yin Pusa to the venerable Sariputta, chief disciple of the Buddha Gotama.
You and I would not possibly understand the abstract teachings of this great sutra on emptiness.
You might think you know what emptiness is, but I think not.
we only come to know by studying, but doesnt know what that means and its application. -
When something is "rich" or "profound" it means that the thing is multi dimensional and has vast and totally different applications.Originally posted by marcteng:This is the dhamma on emptiness by the great maha bodhisattva Guan Shi Yin Pusa to the venerable Sariputta, chief disciple of the Buddha Gotama.
You and I would not possibly understand the abstract teachings of this great sutra on emptiness.
You might think you know what emptiness is, but I think not.
we only come to know by studying, but doesnt know what that means and its application.
None of these applications can be said to be false.
That is why some teaching is called rich or profound.
You learn to apply the teaching based on your level of understanding first and gradually apply it to more and more metaphysical levels. Step by step it will lead yuo there, but if you try to jump immediately to the peak, it is too high to reach. -
reason is simple. you are not 1/10 at the level of wisdom of an arahant, much less a maha pusa.Originally posted by Cenarious:you are not me, how do you know that I would not possibly understand the abstract teachings of this great sutra on emptiness?
it took countless how many eons for Guan Shi Yin Pusa to practise perfections to understand what emptiness is.
I listened to a monk lecture, those sutras were expounded by Buddha and Pusa's cos they have attained supreme enlightenment.
Do you think you have reach that stage yet? I think no pal, no offence.
we just merely study what emptiness is, but do not understand what it is.
studying and realisation are 2 different matters.
you study u gain knowledge, but realisation is not gain by merely studying.
It is much more than that and more. -
good sharing from marcteng.
it sounds very down to earth, realistic and practical.
we all have a long way to go.....
if one says he/she understands emptiness, he/she actually hasn't truly understood or realised emptiness. -
How is it much more than that and more?Originally posted by marcteng:reason is simple. you are not 1/10 at the level of wisdom of an arahant, much less a maha pusa.
it took countless how many eons for Guan Shi Yin Pusa to practise perfections to understand what emptiness is.
I listened to a monk lecture, those sutras were expounded by Buddha and Pusa's cos they have attained supreme enlightenment.
Do you think you have reach that stage yet? I think no pal, no offence.
we just merely study what emptiness is, but do not understand what it is.
studying and realisation are 2 different matters.
you study u gain knowledge, but realisation is not gain by merely studying.
It is much more than that and more. -
Then, through the power of the Buddha, Venerable Shariputra said to noble Avalokiteshvara, the bodhisattva mahasattva, "How should a son or daughter of noble family train, who wishes to practice the profound prajnaparamita? "
Addressed in this way, noble Avalokiteshvara, the bodhisattva majasttva, said to Venerable Shariputra, "O Shariputra, a son or daughter of noble family who wishes to practice the profound prajnaparamita should see in this way: seeing the five skandhas to be empty of nature. Form is emptiness; emptiness also is form. Emptiness is no other than form; form is no other than emptiness.
In the same way, feeling, perception, formation, and consciousness are emptiness. Thus, Shariputra, all dharmas are emptiness. There are no characteristics. There is no birth and no cessation. There is no impurity and no purity. There is no decrease and no increase. Therefore, Shariputra, in emptiness, there is no form, no feeling, no perception, no formation, no consciousness; no eye, no ear, no nose, no tongue, no body, no mind; no appearance, no sound, no smell, no taste, no touch, no dharmas, no eye dhatu up to no mind dhatu, no dhatu of dharmas, no mind consciousness dhatu; no ignorance, no end of ignorance up to no old age and death, no end of old age and death; no suffering, no origin of suffering, no cessation of suffering, no path, no wisdom, no attainment, and no non-attainment.
Therefore, Shariputra, since the bodhisattvas have no attainment, they abide by means of prajnaparamita.
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"If you are attached to your thinking, then everything has name and form. This is the world of opposites. But name and form are always changing, changing, changing. Because of this, everything is impermanent. Everything is like a dream, is like dew, is like a bubble or a flash of lightning. Nothing stays but is always in a process of change. Rather than being some constant, fixed reality, this whole universe constantly appears and disappears. But there is a way to experience the true nature of this constantly changing universe. Simply do not become attached to any outside world. DonÂ’t become attached to names and forms. If you keep that point, then your mind is not moving. You attain that names and forms are fundamentally empty. This whole universe is completely empty. You are completely empty. Nothing ever comes or goes. Nothing ever appears or disappears. When you keep this mind, you soon attain your true self."
--Zen Master Seung Sahn, The Compass of Zen, pp. 127-129
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an outline of a circle can also explain emptiness.
the outside line exist but the inside is kong/empty.
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