China's Panchen Lama steals show with Buddhists
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Posted: 13 April 2006 2109 hrs
China's Panchen Lama steals show with Buddhists
HANGZHOU, China : China's rule over Tibet took centre stage at the first World Buddhist Forum, with Beijing's choice as the next Tibetan spiritual leader making a surprise appearance.
In an address to about 1,000 monks and nuns from around the world on Thursday, the 11th Panchen Lama made clear his loyalties to China's atheist communist rulers who appointed him in 1995.
"Defending the nation and working for the people is a solemn commitment Buddhism has made to the nation and society," said the 16-year-old boy, who ranks second only to the exiled Dalai Lama in Tibetan Buddhism's religious hierarchy.
"In this new era we need to shoulder the historical responsibility of defending the nation and working for the people."
While China's government had hailed the gathering in the lakeside city of Hangzhou that ends on Sunday as a showcase of religious harmony and tolerance, sharp political overtones continued with the notable absence of the Dalai Lama.
"If he appears at the forum, he will surely pose a really disharmonious note to the general harmonious tone," the vice-director of the State Administration for Religious Affairs, Qi Xiaofei, said on Wednesday.
"The Dalai Lama is not only a religious figure but is also a long-time stubborn secessionist who has tried to split his Chinese motherland and break the unity among different ethnic groups."
The Dalai Lama has been living in exile since fleeing his homeland after a failed uprising in 1959 - nine years after China took control of the region - and is regarded by Beijing as a major threat despite his 1989 Nobel Peace prize.
The Dalai Lama's own choice as the 11th Panchen Lama, Gedhun Choekyi Nyima, disappeared from public view in 1995 and is believed to have been under a form of house arrest ever since.
China's 11th Panchen Lama rarely makes public appearances and his brief speech on Thursday was his first in front of an international audience.
The Dalai Lama's absence came as a surprise to Munkhbayar Bataa, 27, a monk from Mongolia who nevertheless said the gathering of monks and nuns from more than 30 countries provided good opportunities to learn.
"I was quite surprised as I actually thought he could be here but it's still good to be able to meet so many monks from different countries," said Bataa.
As monks sipped tea, took photos and chatted excitedly in the eastern city's Great Hall of the People, keynote speakers at China biggest religious meeting since the party seized power in 1949 stressed the need to heed the values of the religion that has its origins in India about 2,500 years ago.
"This meeting is about bringing together all Buddhists no matter from what school of Buddhism and uniting as one heart for peace," said Shi Jianyin, a nun from Taiwan.
China has long claimed that it allows freedom of religion, even though it routinely jails Buddhist monks and nuns as well as Christians who refuse to acknowledge the authority of the Communist Party in religious affairs.
Nevertheless the event illustrated the party's changing attitudes towards religion, even if those motives appear politically motivated, according to some of the delegates.
Yue Qin, a monk from Macau who teaches 150 students in a monastery in southern China's Guangdong province, said the party was turning to more traditional Chinese values because it had to.
"The government knows that young people in China have lost the traditional values. And so through this forum they want more people to start paying attention to Buddhism - and this will be a benefit for all of China," he said. - AFP/de -
*shakes head*
the puppet show again.... -
wow so young at 16 only and he already ranks second to the exiled Dalai Lama.....
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This Chinese Panchen Lama is a puppet of the Chinese government, brainwashed to promote their own things. The real Panchen Lama was kidnapped by the Chinese government.Originally posted by paperflower:wow so young at 16 only and he already ranks second to the exiled Dalai Lama.....
hhhmmm........
And yes Panchen Lama is supposed to be second to Dalai Lama. Their incarnation is recognised at a young age.
Furthermore, Dalai Lama is NOT even pursuing Independance of Tibet, he specifically stated that many times, but he is promoting 'True Autonomy' of Tibet because 'Autonomy' in Tibet is only a name. Dalai Lama is not a political figure at all, and what China always say is without basis. Some of the ppl in China government are just... control freaks. -
kidnapped??!Originally posted by An Eternal Now:This Chinese Panchen Lama is a puppet of the Chinese government, brainwashed to promote their own things. The real Panchen Lama was kidnapped by the Chinese government.
And yes Panchen Lama is supposed to be second to Dalai Lama. Their incarnation is recognised at a young age.
all these sound and look so crooked, artificial and "evil" behind the "polished" surface.......
then the real Panchen Lama is an incarnation of who? -
The Current Panchen LamaOriginally posted by paperflower:kidnapped??!
all these sound and look so crooked, artificial and "evil" behind the "polished" surface.......
then the real Panchen Lama is an incarnation of who?
Free The Panchen Lama Homepage -
Another thing is, only the Panchen Lama has their own authority to choose the next incarnation of Dalai Lama. So when Dalai Lama passes away, China could choose their own Dalai Lama.
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is just a setup...just a show to the world...so politicalOriginally posted by paperflower:kidnapped??!
all these sound and look so crooked, artificial and "evil" behind the "polished" surface.......
then the real Panchen Lama is an incarnation of who?
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The real Panchen Lama got kidnapped?Originally posted by An Eternal Now:This Chinese Panchen Lama is a puppet of the Chinese government, brainwashed to promote their own things. The real Panchen Lama was kidnapped by the Chinese government.
And yes Panchen Lama is supposed to be second to Dalai Lama. Their incarnation is recognised at a young age.
Furthermore, Dalai Lama is NOT even pursuing Independance of Tibet, he specifically stated that many times, but he is promoting 'True Autonomy' of Tibet because 'Autonomy' in Tibet is only a name. Dalai Lama is not a political figure at all, and what China always say is without basis. Some of the ppl in China government are just... control freaks.
He just a ordinary kid perhaps
Don't possess any special abilities at all? -
I believe in due time he will show up to the world again.Originally posted by maggot:The real Panchen Lama got kidnapped?
He just a ordinary kid perhaps
Don't possess any special abilities at all? -
Don't worry, at least there is venerable Karmapa who is the founder of the tibetan buddhism reincarnation system. He is recognized by both China government and Dalai Lama as well as the world buddhism community.
Venerable Karmapa is believed to become spiritual leader of china in the future and the next buddha after maitreya. In his past lifes, he has been the teacher of many emperors in the various china dynasty.
We should be glad that China now has a good leader Hu Jin Tao who sees the importance of buddhism to society and hence co-organize this world buddhist forum.
Let's pray together that venerable karmapa will help to bring buddhism in china to another heirday. -
Same sentiments about Karmapa. I brought this up to Bohiruci yesterday.. but I guess only time will tell.
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something i wish to said .Only time will tell ,who is the real karmapaOriginally posted by justdoit77:Don't worry, at least there is venerable Karmapa who is the founder of the tibetan buddhism reincarnation system. He is recognized by both China government and Dalai Lama as well as the world buddhism community.
Venerable Karmapa is believed to become spiritual leader of china in the future and the next buddha after maitreya. In his past lifes, he has been the teacher of many emperors in the various china dynasty.
We should be glad that China now has a good leader Hu Jin Tao who sees the importance of buddhism to society and hence co-organize this world buddhist forum.
Let's pray together that venerable karmapa will help to bring buddhism in china to another heirday.
for me my input is the Thaye Dorje
PM me if want more info
I wont talk in public abt karmapa issue
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Yes. It's not advisable to discuss this.
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http://www.buddhistchannel.tv/index.php?id=1,2562,0,0,1,0
Chinese Buddhism gathering is 'propaganda'
Sapa-AP, April 14 2006
Hangzhou, China -- International human rights groups on Friday denounced a Chinese government-sponsored forum on Buddhism as "cynical propaganda" aimed at sugarcoating religious repression in Tibet.
<< Gyaltsen Norbu (2nd-L), known as the Panchen Lama, attends the opening ceremony of the World Buddhist Forum with other Buddhist leaders including Grantha Visarada Rajakiya Pandita (L), supreme prelate of Sri Lanka, in Hangzhou, Zhejiang province in east China April 13, 2006. [Reuters]
The five-day conference has included a rare appearance by 16-year-old Gyaltsen Norbu, China's disputed choice for Tibetan Buddhism's second highest leader, the Panchen Lama.
In what was believed to be his first appearance at an international forum, Norbu delivered a speech on Thursday endorsing China's policies on religion and saying Buddhists should be patriotic and "defend the nation".
Mary-Beth Markey, head of the International Campaign for Tibet, said China appeared to be using the conference to put forward an image of religious tolerance ahead of President Hu Jintao's visit to the United States.
"It's shameful that Beijing has scripted Gyaltsen Norbu... with statements that are clearly untrue about religious freedom in China," Markey was quoted as saying in a news release.
China maintains tight control over all religions and the rules are especially restrictive in Tibet, where Buddhism is an integral part of the restive Himalayan region's separate identity.
While Beijing has allowed the rebuilding of many of the thousands of temples destroyed during the Cultural Revolution, monasteries, temples, mosques and churches are still barred from operating schools, hospitals or other civic institutions.
Markey's group claims restrictions on Buddhism in Tibet are actually getting tighter, citing new laws on religious activities and the imprisonment of several top Buddhist teachers known for their loyalty to Tibet's exiled leader, the Dalai Lama.
Beijing installed Norbu as the 11th Panchen Lama in 1995, rejecting another boy chosen by the Dalai Lama. That other boy, Gedhun Choekyi Nyima, has not been seen in public since then and Chinese officials refuse to say where he is.
A Chinese official said on Wednesday the Dalai Lama - the world's best-known Buddhist leader - was not welcome at the conference.
The London-based Free Tibet Campaign said the forum illustrated that China was willing to "go to enormous lengths to present a misleading picture of official tolerance of Tibetan Buddhism."
"In a typical show of cynical propaganda, China has pushed to centre stage Gyaltsen Norbu," it said.
The carefully scripted forum in the eastern resort city of Hangzhou has attracted about 1 000 Buddhist clergy and scholars from more than 30 nations. It ends on Sunday. So far, it has steered clear of any discussion of controversy, focusing instead on Buddhist morality and unity between different sects.
Participants refused to comment to reporters on the dispute over the Panchen Lama.
"It's the first time that this sort of thing is being held in China, so I think everyone wants to go easy and make sure things go smoothly," said Dasho Sangay Wangchug, a government culture official from the tiny Himalayan kingdom of Bhutan.
He added: "Anyway, it's a good opportunity for Buddhists from different traditions to come together and share." -
This is what is written in the book Returning from Death by Vietnamese monk Bikkhu Buddha Dhatu in his meeting with the Dalai Lama in India, 1997
"One of the Dalai Lama's ministers asked me for my opinion of the annexation of Tibet by China and if I would consider helping them to recover their country but my reply shocked them. I told them that they should be grateful for whatever had hapened. If the Chinese had not overrun their country, the Dalai Lama might not have had the chance to go to the West and spread the Dhamma. A country is just so much earth, and as monks, our duty is not to secure the borders of our country but to free ourselves of ignorance and desire. That is the only way to win peace"
The Dalai Lama stared at me and said "But Bikkhu Buddha Dhatu, don't you know that the communist say that religion is a drug addiction?"
I replied cooly, "But no, not that. Worst than that! Religions today make ppl believe blindly and they harm others w/o thinking twice. Why? Because they believe their religions require them to do so! That is pure ignorance. We must lead ppl to the right path and not mix religion with politics or business! -
Yes thats right - precisely becasue of the persecution, Tibetan Buddhism has gained so much followers throughout the globe.
"When the iron bird flies, and horses run on wheels, the Tibetan people will be scattered like ants across the World, and the Dharma will come to the land of red-faced people." - Padma Sambhava, 8th Century Indian Guru and Founder of the first Tibetan Monastery -
But anyway, Dalai Lama is not really a political figure, and he does not seek independance at all. He seeks true autonomy for the Tibetan people - something that the Chinese government claims that Tibet is, but hasn't done much.
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Originally posted by An Eternal Now:
if autonomy of a land can be attained by machine-gun the temple ,killing monk indiscriminately , toxify the land into a nuclear test zone . I think the world is crazy , and till now I can only see one final destination for all leaders of PRC
http://www.buddhistchannel.tv/index.php?id=1,2562,0,0,1,0
[b]Chinese Buddhism gathering is 'propaganda'
Sapa-AP, April 14 2006
Hangzhou, China -- International human rights groups on Friday denounced a Chinese government-sponsored forum on Buddhism as "cynical propaganda" aimed at sugarcoating religious repression in Tibet.
<< Gyaltsen Norbu (2nd-L), known as the Panchen Lama, attends the opening ceremony of the World Buddhist Forum with other Buddhist leaders including Grantha Visarada Rajakiya Pandita (L), supreme prelate of Sri Lanka, in Hangzhou, Zhejiang province in east China April 13, 2006. [Reuters]
The five-day conference has included a rare appearance by 16-year-old Gyaltsen Norbu, China's disputed choice for Tibetan Buddhism's second highest leader, the Panchen Lama.
In what was believed to be his first appearance at an international forum, Norbu delivered a speech on Thursday endorsing China's policies on religion and saying Buddhists should be patriotic and "defend the nation".
Mary-Beth Markey, head of the International Campaign for Tibet, said China appeared to be using the conference to put forward an image of religious tolerance ahead of President Hu Jintao's visit to the United States.
"It's shameful that Beijing has scripted Gyaltsen Norbu... with statements that are clearly untrue about religious freedom in China," Markey was quoted as saying in a news release.
China maintains tight control over all religions and the rules are especially restrictive in Tibet, where Buddhism is an integral part of the restive Himalayan region's separate identity.
While Beijing has allowed the rebuilding of many of the thousands of temples destroyed during the Cultural Revolution, monasteries, temples, mosques and churches are still barred from operating schools, hospitals or other civic institutions.
Markey's group claims restrictions on Buddhism in Tibet are actually getting tighter, citing new laws on religious activities and the imprisonment of several top Buddhist teachers known for their loyalty to Tibet's exiled leader, the Dalai Lama.
Beijing installed Norbu as the 11th Panchen Lama in 1995, rejecting another boy chosen by the Dalai Lama. That other boy, Gedhun Choekyi Nyima, has not been seen in public since then and Chinese officials refuse to say where he is.
A Chinese official said on Wednesday the Dalai Lama - the world's best-known Buddhist leader - was not welcome at the conference.
The London-based Free Tibet Campaign said the forum illustrated that China was willing to "go to enormous lengths to present a misleading picture of official tolerance of Tibetan Buddhism."
"In a typical show of cynical propaganda, China has pushed to centre stage Gyaltsen Norbu," it said.
The carefully scripted forum in the eastern resort city of Hangzhou has attracted about 1 000 Buddhist clergy and scholars from more than 30 nations. It ends on Sunday. So far, it has steered clear of any discussion of controversy, focusing instead on Buddhist morality and unity between different sects.
Participants refused to comment to reporters on the dispute over the Panchen Lama.
"It's the first time that this sort of thing is being held in China, so I think everyone wants to go easy and make sure things go smoothly," said Dasho Sangay Wangchug, a government culture official from the tiny Himalayan kingdom of Bhutan.
He added: "Anyway, it's a good opportunity for Buddhists from different traditions to come together and share."[/b]
Hell- Avici hell for those who destroyed tibetan buddhism ,killed 100,000 in the occupation of Tibet -
I believe not all PRC leaders are like that laOriginally posted by bohiruci:if autonomy of a land can be attained by machine-gun the temple ,killing monk indiscriminately , toxify the land into a nuclear test zone . I think the world is crazy , and till now I can only see one final destination for all leaders of PRC
Hell- Avici hell for those who destroyed tibetan buddhism ,killed 100,000 in the occupation of Tibet
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They have not reach the point of replacing every tibetan with a person from another part of chinaOriginally posted by bohiruci:if autonomy of a land can be attained by machine-gun the temple ,killing monk indiscriminately , toxify the land into a nuclear test zone . I think the world is crazy , and till now I can only see one final destination for all leaders of PRC
Hell- Avici hell for those who destroyed tibetan buddhism ,killed 100,000 in the occupation of Tibet
If a religion's destiny is to be destroyed no one can stop that
Speaking of tibetan... WHY THEY TAKE SKULL CAPS TO MAKE RITUAL ITEMS!!!???
Cut off 12X plus skull's caps away...
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These skull cups are not obtained from murdered human beings but from those natural dead corpses. These skullcups are basically obtained thru the sky burial funeral rituals.
In Tibetan culture, they practise sky burial where they wrap up dead corpses into a white cotten cloth in the shape of a new born baby in the concieved womb. Latter they transport the wrapped corpses to a mountain peak where a priest hacked and smashed the corpses into many pieces for vulture feeding. These corpses bones are obtained after the vulture feeding. However, not everybody's skulls are qualified to be used as ritual artifacts. Only those practitioners skulls are qualified to be used. Normally they will seek the dying buddhists or the abbot's permission or consent to take their skulls for such ritual usage. Tibetans see it as a form of selfless offerings of their body for higher tantric practises.
Singapore also practise and promote organs donations isn't it ?
Skullcups are Tantric symbolism. A very special object within Tibetan tantric practice is the Kapala or skullcup. The skullcup is related to detachment and transformation of the world we experience. There are much profound meanings n realisations in skullcups where I am not a qualified tantric teacher to share with u more about it. :-)
SKY BURIAL GROUND FULL OF CORPSE REMAINS:
The exquisite and brilliant skull-cup exhibited in the Tibet Museum is made of human skull.
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Interesting... rahula, thanks for sharing
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Hi rahula25,
thnks 4 sharing