Buddhism cannot be discussed openly?
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Originally posted by casino_king:
come on pal nobody here is unreasonable towards you.Infact we r trying to guide you or should i say helping you to get to the right path in understanding buddhism.
TO ALL THE BUDDHIST HERE: Buddha said not to take his teaching in a dogmatic manner. I somehow get the feeling that you people here are very reasonable people except when people start to criticise Buddhism. I hope that you will take your founder's words to heart and not be dogmatic aboutr Buddhists teachings.
To Thusness: You are very quick to accept any speculation, any suggestions.... let me cut and paste what I posted at the Christian forum for you here:
[b]Let me give you an example. Scientists recently studying the "junk" portion of our human genome discovered some surprising results. These results suggest that the part considered junk is not "junk" but is really functional.
You do the maths, you look at your data and it all suggest that it is not "junk." The religious people will say; well since there is no explanation other than it is not junk then it is not junk. This is "faith."
If the scientist then goes round the world and make the claim, you know what will happen? He will be laughed off as an idiot. It is like when Christians say that somebody was healed becuase there is no other explanation for the healing other than he was prayed for.
The scientist would have been laughed off by the rest of the scientific community because they will ask him: "this brain child of yours... did you do the experiment to determine if what you think the data suggest is as expected?"
So you see, whatever you might have read about quantum physics and whateve people might speculate about some "strage" Quantum effects... other scientist will laugh their ass off if any respectable scientist will make the claims that you are suggesting without proper experiments.[/b]
happy learning
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reference to Originally posted by An Eternal Now on Holographic Universe:
Click on
Alain_Aspect
and
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bell_test_loopholes
They are already trying to design a quantum computer.
Quantum_computer
using
Quantum_entanglement
Please do not let your imaginations run wild
Religion tend to run wild with their imagination and then claim that what they imagined is the truth and nothing but the truth. -
shall put it in a more human way.
by chance, a guy and a girl get to noe each other.
the guy has no interest of the ger
but the ger luv him.
she do all kinds of thin to shower him care and concern.
but the guy find her super irritating by all action by by her.
he pick on the ger on all tings coz he no interest in her.
ON THE OPPOSITE SIDE
they mit by chance
the guy immediately love the ger upon seein her.
with this interest, he find out more abt the ger out of the 'love' for her.
guy = all beings
ger = all tings
one never question anyone or anyting and find fault in them juz bcoz one dun hav the 'interest' in the first place.
one only question when he himslf hav the interest /heart to find out why..when he truely wish his question to b answer.
one study law..that doest mean accountant is a fool.
it all boils down to 'indivdual'.
i noe ur intention ...i noe the msg u wan to tell them.
one world bounded by 'words/teachin'
one world believe in proof they see only.
when two world mit, a war form eventually
but both parties cant be blamed..coz they r bounded(see wat they see)
they juz duno that their 'mind' is boundless actually.
10+ pages show a lack of wisdom
to 'win' big on the gamblin table , one dun lay out their card.
to win big, one need to test the opponent's card
only after u noe, then u will how to win their heart.
its juz the way of viewin tings only.
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Wild? I do not see anything wild. It is your perspective.
What's more, the truths that Buddha taught are all entirely observable by anyone who practises his teachings. Everyone will come to the same conclusions not by faith but by seeing for himself. -
Hi Casino_King,Originally posted by casino_king:reference to Originally posted by An Eternal Now on Holographic Universe:
Click on
Alain_Aspect
and
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bell_test_loopholes
They are already trying to design a quantum computer.
Quantum_computer
using
Quantum_entanglement
Please do not let your imaginations run wild
Religion tend to run wild with their imagination and then claim that what they imagined is the truth and nothing but the truth.
I seriously do not mean anything but I am so confused with what you posted. First, are you supporting AEN or refuting AEN with the following article about Quantum Computer and Quantum Entanglement? And which aspect of quantum mechanics (the link you provided) do you want people to acknowledge that is supporting you? I remembered asking you do you consider quantum entanglement phenomenon as mere fantasy but received no reply.
“You are very quick to accept any speculation, any suggestions.... let me cut and paste what I posted at the Christian forum for you here.”
Do tell me what speculations and suggestions I have accepted and what I have suggested in my earlier post:
Perhaps if we were to live in the 17th centuries applying the Newtonian viewpoint, what you said might still be acceptable in the scientific community. Unfortunately, we donÂ’t. In light of quantum mechanics and neuroscience, I think that is a bold statement and you may want to substantiate it with some valid scientific findings.
It is alright to speak your mind and I do want you to speak what you think but I do not want to engage in a tongue fight. Since any form of experience is subjective and personal, it will be quite irrelevant to make objective claims about what one has experienced. It is an individual path. Your earlier reply to my topic on imaginary numbers is respectable and measured. I believe besides telling you to delve deeper into the core teachings of Buddhism and a little about mental detachment is important for scientific spirit, I have not spoken any other materials about Buddhism to you. This is because I respect what Buddha taught and I do not want to make it a topic of argument. Anyway, happy exploring.
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Originally posted by casino_king:
So your point being ?
TO ALL THE BUDDHIST HERE: Buddha said not to take his teaching in a dogmatic manner. I somehow get the feeling that you people here are very reasonable people except when people start to criticise Buddhism. I hope that you will take your founder's words to heart and not be dogmatic aboutr Buddhists teachings.
To Thusness: You are very quick to accept any speculation, any suggestions.... let me cut and paste what I posted at the Christian forum for you here:
[b]Let me give you an example. Scientists recently studying the "junk" portion of our human genome discovered some surprising results. These results suggest that the part considered junk is not "junk" but is really functional.
You do the maths, you look at your data and it all suggest that it is not "junk." The religious people will say; well since there is no explanation other than it is not junk then it is not junk. This is "faith."
If the scientist then goes round the world and make the claim, you know what will happen? He will be laughed off as an idiot. It is like when Christians say that somebody was healed becuase there is no other explanation for the healing other than he was prayed for.
The scientist would have been laughed off by the rest of the scientific community because they will ask him: "this brain child of yours... did you do the experiment to determine if what you think the data suggest is as expected?"
So you see, whatever you might have read about quantum physics and whateve people might speculate about some "strage" Quantum effects... other scientist will laugh their ass off if any respectable scientist will make the claims that you are suggesting without proper experiments.[/b]
You like to pass remarks to others abt practise of Buddhist belief ,but did you
ever be fair to your writings
From all the writing I observe , you dun seem to be in a open position to anything and everything about faith issue.
Think of it , when a 1 years old child start to walk unsteadily towards his mother , why does the child still walk the first few steps in life ,even when he is not sure he is walking with two feet ,and the mother on the few feet away ,ready to receive with open arms ?
I am feeling you use a very nice ruler to measure all religions but have you ever use that ruler to measure yourself ?
that makes me wonder the purpose of your post here
You could be a preacher in scientology and a figurehead in this new age religion which worship science as God above all.
Stop being so commanding and be polite in every aspect ,or I seriously think you are wasting time here , rather than u go earn big bucks out in the real world .
Any way you are not Buddha ,stop making false dignified statement to proclaim your agenda
before that day comes , dream on now for the time being -
Casino_king is a very interesting person
So do let us know more
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Casino_king sorry make a small mistake there.. it was someone else who comment that buddhist cannot eat beef...
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Yah... do let us know more of his mistakes so tat we can correct himOriginally posted by maggot:Casino_king is a very interesting person
So do let us know more -
I would say his understanding from his point of view and not mistakesOriginally posted by neutral_onliner:Yah... do let us know more of his mistakes so tat we can correct him 
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Originally posted by casino_king:
often due to ignorance, they laugh first but when it become proven in years to come, they become embarrass.
So you see, whatever you might have read about quantum physics and whateve people might speculate about some "strage" Quantum effects... other scientist will laugh their ass off if any respectable scientist will make the claims that you are suggesting without proper experiments.Originally posted by casino_king:
got to turn around and look at the mirror.
...their teacher told them clearly
not be dogmatic
and yet they do not believe what their teacher said
give up the dogma and give up the label sign
that is in your mind
you will then exclaim "I never knew!"
when it's been personally proven/investigated/experienced/digested, it no longer become dogmatic. it transcend it and become reality.
-Dealing with Dogma
What we perceive as wrong ideas and beliefs is usually labeled
Superstition. When we feel forced to obey the superstition, we call
this Dogma. Often we bond with other though a mutual experience. In
religious organizations this done by experiencing an mutual
suffering that comes from the Dogma of the religion. As we engage in
the suffering that we feel from adherence to the dogma of the
religion, we learn how we deal with suffering. The community can
offer guidance, and become an place to talk about this suffering
that we are dealing with. So, th issue is not if the dogma is right
or wrong, its how we react to our suffering that we feel when the
dogma is taken on. Again, one must be careful about what decisions
are made about what the Dogma is saying or means. Dogma is like an
seed that will grow and mature over time. We find that we change to,
we notice our ideas and thoughts that we have used to see ourselves
and view ourselves. Dogma is like an knife that slices at these
bonds, and it may hurt! --Mark Vetanen @2000
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we also said take refuge in the Dharma. that mean we cling to it first like clinging to a boat until we cross the sea and reach 'the other shore'. after which then we also have to renouce the Dharma as it's also void.
"Too much believe without any wisdom is superstition, too much
discrimination without faith leads to cunning."
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As i say he did not make proper study and understanding (so far the points he made are not even the core teaching of buddhism)Originally posted by maggot:I would say his understanding from his point of view and not mistakes
his point of view ? i should say it is his own perception due to his misconception
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This one I must reply... nobody who accepts evidence "becomes embarass." Show me the evidence and I will accept it... otherwise... go through your own thoughts and meditate (contemplative) if you remove all the Buddhist claims that are not well founded... what are you left with? It is better to face reality... you will come closer to the truth.Originally posted by sinweiy:often due to ignorance, they laugh first but when it become proven in years to come, they become embarrass.
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I am not attacking Buddhism per se.. I am just curious why religious people are so "gullible" and accept unfounded claims that their religion makes as truth. Yet they are clearly able to the see the "stupidity" of claims made by other religions. When it comes to their own, they cling to their own superstititions with such fervent faith.Originally posted by neutral_onliner:As i say he did not make proper study and understanding (so far the points he made are not even the core teaching of buddhism)
his point of view ? i should say it is his own perception due to his misconception
happy chatting
The Christians laugh at the claims Buddhists make and the Buddhists laugh at the claims Christians make but from the outside, I see 2 sets of people who are blinded when it comes to their own ridiculous beliefs.
I am not saying that Christianity or Budhhism is not beneficial or helpful... I am saying why does it have to come with the fantasy and imaginative aspects? What does giving up the fantasy and unfounded claims do to the religion?
After we have settled the issue, one of these days we will discuss the parable of the poison arrow.... -
Are you refering to the Poison arrow of fengshui?Originally posted by casino_king:After we have settled the issue, one of these days we will discuss the parable of the poison arrow.... -
Next time, after we settle the important issue of why people cannot see the ridiculous aspects of their own faith but can see clearly the nonsense of other people's religion.Originally posted by maggot:Are you refering to the Poison arrow of fengshui? -
Well I cannot post the "dark side of religions" due to the lawOriginally posted by casino_king:Next time, after we settle the important issue of why people cannot see the ridiculous aspects of their own faith but can see clearly the nonsense of other people's religion.
However if one is to understand the faith wholely one must embrace a larger point of view which includes the bad and the evil side
Well fengshui actually can be use for war but not many wants to talk about it -
Originally posted by maggot:Well I cannot post the "dark side of religions" due to the law
However if one is to understand the faith wholely one must embrace a larger point of view which includes the bad and the evil side
Well fengshui actually can be use for war but not many wants to talk about it 
wat is fengshui? some chinese herb medicine? -
GeomancyOriginally posted by casino_king: wat is fengshui? some chinese herb medicine?
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We are encouraged to think for ourselves. Buddhism is not dogmatic, depends on reason, does not expect blind faith, does not contradict science.Originally posted by casino_king:I am not attacking Buddhism per se.. I am just curious why religious people are so "gullible" and accept unfounded claims that their religion makes as truth. Yet they are clearly able to the see the "stupidity" of claims made by other religions. When it comes to their own, they cling to their own superstititions with such fervent faith.
The Christians laugh at the claims Buddhists make and the Buddhists laugh at the claims Christians make but from the outside, I see 2 sets of people who are blinded when it comes to their own ridiculous beliefs.
I am not saying that Christianity or Budhhism is not beneficial or helpful... I am saying why does it have to come with the fantasy and imaginative aspects? What does giving up the fantasy and unfounded claims do to the religion?
After we have settled the issue, one of these days we will discuss the parable of the poison arrow....
http://www.thubtenchodron.org/AudioLibrary/audio_OtherArticles/WhyBuddhism_1-4_19.ram
We are encouraged to integrate the teachings into our life. Buddhism provides a step-by-step method for working with our mind to achieve internal peace.
http://www.thubtenchodron.org/AudioLibrary/audio_OtherArticles/WhyBuddhism_2-4_21.ram
We have the power and ability to change our lives - we create the causes for what we experience. Everybody is equal; nobody is inherently evil. Emphasizes respect for all religions and their followers. Shows how to go beyond the happiness and suffering of this life.
http://www.thubtenchodron.org/AudioLibrary/audio_OtherArticles/WhyBuddhism_3-4_24.ram
thubten chodron in Singapore
Attend some dharma talks and see for youself -
Originally posted by neutral_onliner:
I am so glad all my effort debating you is paying off...
We are [b]encouraged to think for ourselves. Buddhism is not dogmatic, depends on reason, does not expect blind faith, does not contradict science.
http://www.thubtenchodron.org/AudioLibrary/audio_OtherArticles/WhyBuddhism_1-4_19.ram
We are encouraged to integrate the teachings into our life. Buddhism provides a step-by-step method for working with our mind to achieve internal peace.
http://www.thubtenchodron.org/AudioLibrary/audio_OtherArticles/WhyBuddhism_2-4_21.ram
We have the power and ability to change our lives - we create the causes for what we experience. Everybody is equal; nobody is inherently evil. Emphasizes respect for all religions and their followers. Shows how to go beyond the happiness and suffering of this life.
http://www.thubtenchodron.org/AudioLibrary/audio_OtherArticles/WhyBuddhism_3-4_24.ram
thubten chodron in Singapore
Attend some dharma talks and see for youself [/b]
So tell me, personally how do you handle the unproven beliefs inherent in Buddhism? -
wat unproven beliefs?Originally posted by casino_king:I am so glad all my effort debating you is paying off...
So tell me, personally how do you handle the unproven beliefs inherent in Buddhism? -
Eh? Casino King, I always assume that you are a Singaporean Chinese... Are you not?Originally posted by casino_king: wat is fengshui? some chinese herb medicine? -
Hi Mr Casino,
buddhism is not wat you think.I would like to intro this book to you for reading so that you will have a better understanding of what buddhism is really abt.I think that only after you gain a better understanding of buddhism then will our discussion be more productive and meaningful.
Buddhism Plain & Simple
Author: Steve Hagen
You could borrow it from the libraries in singapore
may u have peace -
Just playing with the fengshui guy... here we are talking about discarding superstitious beliefs and they he goes introducing fengshui.Originally posted by Beyond Religion:Eh? Casino King, I always assume that you are a Singaporean Chinese... Are you not?