Buddhism cannot be discussed openly?
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Originally posted by laurence82:I be the first to put my name down in Not Enlightened People list
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Call it anything you want. It does not matter. If you are happy where you are, no problem. If you ever wake up one day and decided that there is more, then remember my words.Originally posted by An Eternal Now:If you compare Advaita Vedanta with Christian Mysticism, then I say yes. -
To make it simpler:Originally posted by casino_king:Call it anything you want. It does not matter. If you are happy where you are, no problem. If you ever wake up one day and decided that there is more, then remember my words.
Mysticism is the essence of religion that transcends dogmas and belief system. I.e Christian Mysticism, Islamic Sufism, Advaita Vedanta, Taoism (not religious taoism - but i.e lao tzu & chuang tzu), New Age mysticism (not neo-pagan), etc.
It is the only group within each religion that does not have a history of causing violence. Why?Originally posted by An Eternal Now:
- with exceptions of mysticism.
[b]No fanaticism
Of Buddhism alone can it be affirmed it is free from all fanaticism. Its aim being to produce in every man a thorough internal transforming by self-conquest, how can it have recourse to might or money or even persuasion for effecting conversion? The Buddha has only shown the way to salvation, and it is left to each individual to decide for himself if he would follow it.
- Prof. Lakshmi Narasu, "The Essence of Buddhism"[/b]
Unfortunately mysticism is not as commonly practised as the belief-systems that ppl made up/thought up from their scriptures. Or the scriptures may in time include many mythologies like Hinduism and not many ppl see a deeper essence of it. And usually mystics do not have institutions like big churches to attract followers. -
So actually you know it. I am telling that you too can have it; if only you will discard the raft after you have crossed the river. No not after you have become enlightened. To be enlightened.Originally posted by An Eternal Now:- with exceptions of mysticism.
Unfortunately mysticism is not as commonly practised as the belief-systems that ppl made up/thought up from their scriptures. Or the scriptures may in time include many mythologies like Hinduism and not many ppl see a deeper essence of it. And usually mystics do not have institutions like big churches to attract followers. -
Err.. what has this got to do with what we're discussing?Originally posted by casino_king:So actually you know it. I am telling that you too can have it; if only you will discard the raft after you have crossed the river. No not after you have become enlightened. To be enlightened. -
I am doing a simultaneous debate with the Christians and I guess it sort of overflowed here... sorry.Originally posted by An Eternal Now:Err.. what has this got to do with what we're discussing? -
Originally posted by casino_king:I am doing a simultaneous debate with the Christians and I guess it sort of overflowed here... sorry.
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think only got one christian here .....Originally posted by casino_king:I am doing a simultaneous debate with the Christians and I guess it sort of overflowed here... sorry. -
If you are interested the simultaneous debate was Righteousness through Faith
If you notice the time stamp it is at the same time as with you here. -
Split personality training?
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Originally posted by neutral_onliner:
I spent like 20 minutes trying to figure out the picture in page 28, still couldnt figure it out, I gave up, went to page 140 for the answer. Still COULDNT see it... I went to Google image to search for the picture.... and finally... I saw it
Hi [b]Mr Casino,
buddhism is not wat you think.I would like to intro this book to you for reading so that you will have a better understanding of what buddhism is really abt.I think that only after you gain a better understanding of buddhism then will our discussion be more productive and meaningful.
Buddhism Plain & Simple
Author: Steve Hagen
You could borrow it from the libraries in singapore
may u have peace
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Anyway a v gd book. -
and the word most people google for is? cnn. They trust google more than than themselves. They don't even try cnn.comOriginally posted by An Eternal Now:I spent like 20 minutes trying to figure out the picture in page 28, still couldnt figure it out, I gave up, went to page 140 for the answer. Still COULDNT see it... I went to Google image to search for the picture.... and finally... I saw it
Anyway a v gd book.
They google.
I don't want to sound offensive but you have to go beyond Buddhism 101
In fact you have to go beyond Buddhism. -
i saw a devil lurking on the header of this post ...
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You will become enlightened quicker if you give up the supernatural stuff and superstitious stuff. Don't even think about it... until you become enlightened, you have no understanding of it and you can never have an understanding of it.Originally posted by Redblood:i saw a devil lurking on the header of this post ... -
of cos ... but i wonder whyOriginally posted by casino_king:You will become enlightened quicker if you give up the supernatural stuff and superstitious stuff. Don't even think about it... until you become enlightened, you have no understanding of it and you can never have an understanding of it. -
For example love. Children understand parental love becuase they have experienced it. They understand thier own love for their parents and family because they have experienced it.Originally posted by Redblood:of cos ... but i wonder why
You try telling them about the "love" between husbands and wifes, between prostitutes and clients, between homosexual couples, between people involved in incests and between rapist and victims; you can give them all the head knowledge you want and when you question them about it and ask them to describe it, you invariably get the wrong answers.
If the child thinks that OK now I know and go out into the world based on what you had informed it and make decisions based on it; the child is in grave danger.
If instead of trying to help the child "understand" it you give the child guidelines as to what to do (while telling them that they should not try to understand but accept that they do not know and cannot understand) when they encounter certain situations; that is much better.
The child do not go out into the world thinking, no problem I understand it now, I can handle any similar situations that comes along and make my own decisions. The child will pause and reflect and come back and ask you.
What you understand as Devils and Gods; Dharma Protectors and Demons; Holy Spirits and Evil Spirits and what they set out to do and whether or not they really exist and in what form are beyond your comprehension. When you try to understand them or it; it becomes dangerous because you think you know but in actual fact you do not.
It becomes dangerous because you end up making decisions based on errors. Like the example with the child.
It is better for you to recognise that you do not know and make your decisions based on what you do and pause and reflect and ask. -
LET PEOPLE LIKE CASINO KING BE.
HE BELIEVES HE CAN RULE THE CASINO
WE'LL SEE WHO LAUGHS THE LAST -
Not ask for information so you can understand it. Ask what to do when you encounter it.
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Not rule the casino; kill the casino. Get rid of it. If you are not sure, ask. Don't jump to conclusions.Originally posted by killstyle:LET PEOPLE LIKE CASINO KING BE.
HE BELIEVES HE CAN RULE THE CASINO
WE'LL SEE WHO LAUGHS THE LAST -
HuhOriginally posted by casino_king:and the word most people google for is? cnn. They trust google more than than themselves. They don't even try cnn.com
They google.
I don't want to sound offensive but you have to go beyond Buddhism 101
In fact you have to go beyond Buddhism.
What has it got to do with what I'm saying
I think from this post and the previous post, you are super confused and dont have the slightest idea what you're talking about. -
All these things are not important for a Buddhist. Whether or not you believe in it, it DOESNT MATTER.Originally posted by casino_king:What you understand as Devils and Gods; Dharma Protectors and Demons; Holy Spirits and Evil Spirits and what they set out to do and whether or not they really exist and in what form are beyond your comprehension. When you try to understand them or it; it becomes dangerous because you think you know but in actual fact you do not.
And even if you believe they exist, they will not affect your decisions on anything.
What Buddhism is more concerned is the LIFE. The NOW. And be completely rational. In Buddhism you are able to question everything and reject if it doesnt make sense. Faith can only be temporary and what Buddha teaches, everything we can experience them and thereby gain lasting confidence because we've seen it. -
The Hindu the Christian the Muslim and even the Buddhist who worships the Buddhist Gods and ask those Buddhist Gods for blessings and protection "experience them and thereby gain lasting confidence because they've seen it."Originally posted by An Eternal Now:All these things are not important for a Buddhist. Whether or not you believe in it, it DOESNT MATTER.
And even if you believe they exist, they will not affect your decisions on anything.
What Buddhism is more concerned is the LIFE. The NOW. And be completely rational. In Buddhism you are able to question everything and reject if it doesnt make sense. Faith can only be temporary and what Buddha teaches, everything we can experience them and thereby gain lasting confidence because we've seen it.
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Hey guys, i'm just here to offer my humble opinion.
Well, as far as i can see, this thread isn't getting anywhere. We have casino king trying to convince us to another form of thinking, and we have the rest of the forumers, trying to change his viewpoints.
Why not we just leave each other alone? Mr casino, maybe u would like to ask those monks, i believe they would have a better understanding of buddism than the rest of us.
Furthermore, u would have a better explanantion, because some ideas and words are expressed better in real life than on typing on the board.
This does reminds me of a friend. He is very logical, very much like Mr casino here. (judging from ur posts) He would go around and argue with pastors, christians and his friends over Christanity and its validness and demanding evidence and stuff like that, and also argue over other very deep stuff.
Some viewpoints, i found out, can't be changed by trying to convince the other person, it can only change when the person decides to examine it his or herself.
Summary: To each his own. Dun try to change anyone who doesn't want to change. Respect other viewpoints. -
Wah lao eh! So have you learnt nothing from our discussion so far?Originally posted by casino_king:The Hindu the Christian the Muslim and even the Buddhist who worships the Buddhist Gods and ask those Buddhist Gods for blessings and protection "experience them and thereby gain lasting confidence because they've seen it."
What is your comment?
Buddhism does NOT worship gods. Gods and deities have no place in Buddhism unlike other religion that worships deities, gods or God.
Only enlightened beings have a 'place' in Buddhism - that is, all Buddhists respect, venerate and revere them. Like I said - Heck, we do NOT even worship the Buddha - must less anyone or anything. -
Originally posted by hongchang:Hey guys, i'm just here to offer my humble opinion.
Well, as far as i can see, this thread isn't getting anywhere. We have casino king trying to convince us to another form of thinking, and we have the rest of the forumers, trying to change his viewpoints.
[b]Why not we just leave each other alone? Mr casino, maybe u would like to ask those monks, i believe they would have a better understanding of buddism than the rest of us.
Furthermore, u would have a better explanantion, because some ideas and words are expressed better in real life than on typing on the board.
This does reminds me of a friend. He is very logical, very much like Mr casino here. (judging from ur posts) He would go around and argue with pastors, christians and his friends over Christanity and its validness and demanding evidence and stuff like that, and also argue over other very deep stuff.
Some viewpoints, i found out, can't be changed by trying to convince the other person, it can only change when the person decides to examine it his or herself.
Summary: To each his own. Dun try to change anyone who doesn't want to change. Respect other viewpoints.
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Thank you for sharing your opinion. However, we are not even trying to CONVINCE him of anything. Buddhism doesnt need 'convincing' other than 'self-convincement'.
What we have been doing, actually, is merely correct casino_king's silly mistakes about Buddhism! We are NOT even debating! And as you can see, after like 600+ posts discussing with him, he is still utterly confused (see his previous posts in this page).
See neutral_onliner's comment:
[quote]Originally posted by neutral_onliner:
well i think alot of us have been trying to explain to Mr Casino that he is taking a wrong view of buddhism.But i think he still do not get it.
Mr Casino u need to understand tat the reason i ask u to read the book i recommended is because so far all ur arguments are totally irrevent to buddhism.Why do i say that because U have not even touched the core teaching of buddhism.So as to say there r actually no debating in the 1st place.All we did were just trying to guide you back to the right path
Btw if u r going to 'bring' tis kinds of so-called knowledge to the world stage eg.Buddhism Global Conference ,you will surely make a mockery out of yourself