Buddhism cannot be discussed openly?
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Greeting to all,
After reading the thread(actually just wake up abt 10mins ago.having my wedding dinner last night
)well...sad to say he still learnt nothing from the discussion so far.Worst Mr.Casino is utterly confused of the teaching Emptiness by Buddha.Alamak... 
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It is not that I have not learnt anything. It is that you choose to ignore reality. I know so many Buddhists who worships Buddha and Kuan Im.Originally posted by An Eternal Now:Wah lao eh! So have you learnt nothing from our discussion so far?
Buddhism does NOT worship gods. Gods and deities have no place in Buddhism unlike other religion that worships deities, gods or God.
Only enlightened beings have a 'place' in Buddhism - that is, all Buddhists respect, venerate and revere them. Like I said - Heck, we do NOT even worship the Buddha - must less anyone or anything.
You tell me that because you "experience them and thereby gain lasting confidence because they've seen it;" I am telling you that similarly the, those Buddhist and the Christians and the Muslim also say that they "experience them and thereby gain lasting confidence because they've seen it." So if you based in personal experience and they also claim personal experience then who is right?
What they claim is purely personal experiences on earth.
What you claom is supernatural feats on earth by Buddhists; yet the Buddhists cannot produce anybody to show everybody those feats and put it to scientific observations.
So my question to you is whether you want to rethink your supernatural claims? -
Aiyo...till now u still could'nt distinguish the different between "Joss Stick Buddhists" and TRUTH Buddhist huh ?Originally posted by casino_king:It is not that I have not learnt anything. It is that you choose to ignore reality. I know so many Buddhists who worships Buddha and Kuan Im.
You tell me that because you "experience them and thereby gain lasting confidence because they've seen it;" I am telling you that similarly the, those Buddhist and the Christians and the Muslim also say that they "experience them and thereby gain lasting confidence because they've seen it." So if you based in personal experience and they also claim personal experience then who is right?
What they claim is purely personal experiences on earth.
What you claom is supernatural feats on earth by Buddhists; yet the Buddhists cannot produce anybody to show everybody those feats and put it to scientific observations.
So my question to you is whether you want to rethink your supernatural claims?
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Originally posted by neutral_onliner:
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Aiyo...till now u still could'nt distinguish the different between [b]"Joss Stick Buddhists" and TRUTH Buddhist huh ? [/b]
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I think you chosen to IGNORE the fact that those 'pray pray' people are NOT Buddhists.Originally posted by casino_king:It is not that I have not learnt anything. It is that you choose to ignore reality. I know so many Buddhists who worships Buddha and Kuan Im.
You tell me that because you "experience them and thereby gain lasting confidence because they've seen it;" I am telling you that similarly the, those Buddhist and the Christians and the Muslim also say that they "experience them and thereby gain lasting confidence because they've seen it." So if you based in personal experience and they also claim personal experience then who is right?
What they claim is purely personal experiences on earth.
What you claom is supernatural feats on earth by Buddhists; yet the Buddhists cannot produce anybody to show everybody those feats and put it to scientific observations.
So my question to you is whether you want to rethink your supernatural claims?
They have no slightest idea what Buddhism is about, they have not taken refuge in the Triple Gems, and therefore cannot be considered as Buddhists. I have mentioned throughout the forum several times.
To be a Buddhist, Buddha say, we must take refuge in the three treasures thereby becoming his Disciple.
It's just like Christian Baptism in a sense - without being baptised, if just because you pray to mother mary or jesus, it doesnt make you any more Christian at all.
You know many 'pray pray' people go to a nearby island to pray to Islam pantheon? I cant remember what. But its Islam - does that make these people any more muslims? -
Take also take note that temples like Si Ma Lu Guan Yin Miao are NOT Buddhist monasteries - but temples that belongs to the folks tradition practitioners.
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buddishm opened up my perceptive in viewing myself, my thoughts, the place, situation and the people around me.
i hope you young people help progpogate the wonderful teachings of buddha to help more people like me sees themselves and others more clearly -
Originally posted by An Eternal Now:
You might say that they are not; but they say that they are. See here? I say that Buddhists do not believe in a God and people tell me that I am wrong. "I may not know much, but I know u are definitely wrong about this one.... 19 May 2006 · 05:14 PM and 19 May 2006 · 05:20 PM
Take also take note that temples like Si Ma Lu Guan Yin Miao are [b]NOT Buddhist monasteries - but temples that belongs to the folks tradition practitioners.[/b]
So Who Is Right and Who Is Wrong? -
Originally posted by casino_king:
many cults also claimed that they are proper churches, al qaeda claimed that they're waging jihad for allah, so who's right or wrong?
You might say that they are not; but they say that they are. See here? I say that Buddhists do not believe in a God and people tell me that I am wrong. "I may not know much, but I know u are definitely wrong about this one.... 19 May 2006 · 05:14 PM and 19 May 2006 · 05:20 PM
[b]So Who Is Right and Who Is Wrong?[/b] -
This one looks like the majority says that they believe in God and the minority here say no.Originally posted by OldMan:many cults also claimed that they are proper churches, al qaeda claimed that they're waging jihad for allah, so who's right or wrong?
I do not have the figures; but it sures look that way to me. The cults and al queada you mentioned are like the very very small minority. I do not believe in right and wrong like in science when it comes to question of faith. The majority of those who call themselves Buddhists pray to God. Do you have the figures? -
Originally posted by casino_king:
As I have already mentioned very very clearly, the Buddha instructs that ONLY THOSE who has taken refuge in the Three Treasures - Buddha, Dharma, Sangha, can be considered a disciple of the Buddha, a follower of the Buddha. Therefore those following the mainstream traditions of Buddhism - Theravada, Mahayana, Vajrayana, all of them only consider Buddhists as having taken refuge in the Three Treasures/Triple Gems.
You might say that they are not; but they say that they are. See here? I say that Buddhists do not believe in a God and people tell me that I am wrong. "I may not know much, but I know u are definitely wrong about this one.... 19 May 2006 · 05:14 PM and 19 May 2006 · 05:20 PM
[b]So Who Is Right and Who Is Wrong?[/b]
And since you are in a forum that follows Buddha's words, it would be wise for you NOT to confuse the others with the TRUE buddhists (our definition of true buddhist: those who have followed buddha's instructions by taking refuge, thus becoming Buddha's follower/disciple).
Therefore, there is no point asking or discussing about these 'pray pray buddhist' which in our definition, and buddha's definition, and all mainstream tradition buddhist definitions, in our forum, are NOT the true buddhist. Our forum is NOT about those kind of Buddhists, our forum is about Buddhists who learn and practise Buddha's dharma. -
an example which i have been observing: my inlaws and some relatives, they have a theravada tradition of hirerchy of buddha's and arhats images on their altars at home. on 1st and 15th of the lunar month, they'll be vegetarians. they go to shi ma lu guan yin temple to pray. (i do not even consider that should be praying at all, it's more appropriate for people to venerate respects to the bodhisattvas for guidances on the path to enlightenment.) they also visit the theravada monastery somewhere near SGH (forgot the name of the road). sometimes they visit thailand in those rural areas to visit monks for blessings. they are kind and helpful..... my inlaws routinely will light joss sticks at certain time of the day daily.....
then lately i asked them do they have any knowledge of buddha's teachings that they can share and guide me as well.....? they said no.... they said that it is not everyone will have the affinity to be able to know and understand the teachings. and they do not even know that heart sutra exist.....
well..... in these daily observation which is not far away that is none other than happening around me, i realise that..... sometimes it is not the matter of not having affinity to learn or not when the path is right there in front of you to start walking. how you walk? use your legs to walk lah..... so each destiny's is in each own's hands. the karmic influence does play a part in how long of time does one take to open up to the path.
and then, when i asked them are they buddhist? they say yes. ok, so i keep quiet. i told them that i have taken refuge in the tripple gem and they were delighted to know that. they added that it is not easy to take refuge in the 3 treasures and one must have yuan to be able to do so, thats why till today they still haven't taken refuge in the triple gem..... i just smiled and said nothing else because i don't want to make them feel bad or ashamed if i point some of their mistakes out...... time is perhaps not right yet.
sometimes it is not the environment or any other external factors that causes one's decision or intention. people tend to have so many little bits and pieces of this and that at the back of their mind thats is hindering them. all these hindrances are like monkeys in the head telling stopping you from doing this doing that that ought to be done...... the problem is sometimes people don't even know these monkeys exist.......
our life is us to lead, not life leads us. the direction of the wind cannot be changed but we can adjust the sails...... -
Originally posted by casino_king:
numbers not a good representation, eg in this election alternative parties got 1/3 of the votes but they only have 2 seats
This one looks like the [b]majority says that they believe in God and the minority here say no.
I do not have the figures; but it sures look that way to me. The cults and al queada you mentioned are like the very very small minority. I do not believe in right and wrong like in science when it comes to question of faith. The majority of those who call themselves Buddhists pray to God. Do you have the figures?[/b] -
Originally posted by OldMan:numbers not a good representation, eg in this election alternative parties got 1/3 of the votes but they only have 2 seats But still the majority is in power
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???Originally posted by casino_king: But still the majority is in power
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Joking only...Originally posted by concerned_man:???
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This is actually a problem all the religions face as far as I can see. There are many seekers that stop before the find the truth. The inter religious problems in this world, are in my opinions caused by all these seekers who have learnt a little then stop for one reason or other.Originally posted by paperflower:an example which i have been observing: my inlaws and some relatives, they have a theravada tradition of hirerchy of buddha's and arhats images on their altars at home. on 1st and 15th of the lunar month, they'll be vegetarians. they go to shi ma lu guan yin temple to pray. (i do not even consider that should be praying at all, it's more appropriate for people to venerate respects to the bodhisattvas for guidances on the path to enlightenment.) they also visit the theravada monastery somewhere near SGH (forgot the name of the road). sometimes they visit thailand in those rural areas to visit monks for blessings. they are kind and helpful..... my inlaws routinely will light joss sticks at certain time of the day daily.....
then lately i asked them do they have any knowledge of buddha's teachings that they can share and guide me as well.....? they said no.... they said that it is not everyone will have the affinity to be able to know and understand the teachings. and they do not even know that heart sutra exist.....
well..... in these daily observation which is not far away that is none other than happening around me, i realise that..... sometimes it is not the matter of not having affinity to learn or not when the path is right there in front of you to start walking. how you walk? use your legs to walk lah..... so each destiny's is in each own's hands. the karmic influence does play a part in how long of time does one take to open up to the path.
and then, when i asked them are they buddhist? they say yes. ok, so i keep quiet. i told them that i have taken refuge in the tripple gem and they were delighted to know that. they added that it is not easy to take refuge in the 3 treasures and one must have yuan to be able to do so, thats why till today they still haven't taken refuge in the triple gem..... i just smiled and said nothing else because i don't want to make them feel bad or ashamed if i point some of their mistakes out...... time is perhaps not right yet.
sometimes it is not the environment or any other external factors that causes one's decision or intention. people tend to have so many little bits and pieces of this and that at the back of their mind thats is hindering them. all these hindrances are like monkeys in the head telling stopping you from doing this doing that that ought to be done...... the problem is sometimes people don't even know these monkeys exist.......
our life is us to lead, not life leads us. the direction of the wind cannot be changed but we can adjust the sails......
When these seekers then hold office in religious organisations, all hell break lose. -
Mutual understanding and sincerity are lacking very badly.Tolerance must be practised if peace is to come to this earth. Force and compulsion will only create intolerance.Originally posted by casino_king:This is actually a problem all the religions face as far as I can see. There are many seekers that stop before the find the truth. The inter religious problems in this world, are in my opinions caused by all these seekers who have learnt a little then stop for one reason or other.
When these seekers then hold office in religious organisations, all hell break lose.
pls read Inter-ReligiousDialogue
http://www.sgforums.com/?action=thread_display&thread_id=183665 -
Where I disagree with you is that tolerance must be practised. Tolerance is not something that you make an effort to have. They have it. And people who does not have it should seriously consider whether they are who thay think that they are... disciples, followers, converts... of their own religions or simply doing what everybody does in their churches and temples and believing what the people in their religions believe.Originally posted by neutral_onliner:Mutual understanding and sincerity are lacking very badly.Tolerance must be practised if peace is to come to this earth. Force and compulsion will only create intolerance.
pls read Inter-ReligiousDialogue
http://www.sgforums.com/?action=thread_display&thread_id=183665
Just like Buddhism is not about believing what Buddha says. It is realising for yourself Buddhist teachings. They are lots of Buddhists who believes what Buddha says just like there are many Chistians who believes what the bible says. -
i think u misunderstand we buddhists.No Buddhist who understands the Buddha's teaching thinks that other religions are wrong. No-one who has made a genuine effort to examine other religions with an open mind could think like that either. The first thing you notice when you study the different religions is just how much they have in common. All religions acknowledge that man's present state is unsatisfactory. All believe that a change of attitude and behaviour is needed if man's situation is to improve. All teach an ethics that includes love, kindness, patience, generosity and social responsibility and all accept the existence of some form of Absolute.Originally posted by casino_king:Where I disagree with you is that tolerance must be practised. Tolerance is not something that you make an effort to have. They have it. And people who does not have it should seriously consider whether they are who thay think that they are... disciples, followers, converts... of their own religions or simply doing what everybody does in their churches and temples and believing what the people in their religions believe.
Just like Buddhism is not about believing what Buddha says. It is realising for yourself Buddhist teachings. They are lots of Buddhists who believes what Buddha says just like there are many Chistians who believes what the bible says.
They use different languages, different names and different symbols to describe and explain these things; and it is only when they narrow- mindedly cling to their one way of seeing things that religious tolerance, pride and self-righteousness arise.
Imagine an Englishman, a Frenchman, a Chinese and an Indonesian all looking at a cup. The Englishman says, "That is a cup." The Frenchman answers, "No it's not. It's a tasse." The Chinese comments, "You are both wrong. It's a pei." And the Indonesian laughs at the others and says "What a fool you are. It's a cawan." The Englishman get a dictionary and shows it to the others saying, "I can prove that it is a cup. My dictionary says so." "Then your dictionary is wrong," says the Frenchman "because my dictionary clearly says it is a tasse." The Chinese scoffs at them. "My dictionary is thousands of years older than yours, so my dictionary must be right. And besides, more people speak Chinese than any other language, so it must be pei." While they are squabbling and arguing with each other, a Buddhist comes up and drinks from the cup. After he has drunk, he says to the others, "Whether you call it a cup, a tasse, a pei or a cawan, the purpose of the cup is to be used. Stop arguing and drink, stop squabbling and refresh your thirst". This is the Buddhist attitude to other religions. -
Actually we are making the same point, so there is nothing to discuss. That is why I started a thread called: Why do all religions make sense?
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That is why I started a thread call: God belongs to whom?
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As for the drinking part; I participate in threads like: The wonders of Gambling
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and some Aunt Agony threads.
I try to work within each religion instead of trying to convert one to another which is why I am in both the Christian (EH) and Buddhist (BWB) forums.
I encourage you to do the same if you truely believe what you wrote above.
Christians and Buddhists are good because they both try to work it out for themselves.
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Originally posted by neutral_onliner:
u got married? tot u 15?
Greeting to all,
After reading the thread(actually just wake up abt 10mins ago.having my wedding dinner last night )well...sad to say he still learnt nothing from the discussion so far.Worst Mr.Casino is utterly confused of the teaching Emptiness by Buddha.[b]Alamak...
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Is about ppl not the teaching.
Try to meditate to look for yr answer. -
How about some guidance?Originally posted by T.Ryousuke:Is about ppl not the teaching.
Try to meditate to look for yr answer. -
Excellent RyousukeOriginally posted by T.Ryousuke:Is about ppl not the teaching.
Try to meditate to look for yr answer.
Keep it up