Warnings to Buddhist about unorthodox sect in Singapore
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The teachings of Chinese Gelugpa Society is not recognised by Wisdom Bliss and Compassionate Affinity
as this rinpoche is not a welcome visitor of HH Dalai Lama Office and H H Ganden Dripa in Dharamsala
Rinpoche Quan Xi is different from Ven Chuan Xi
Ven Chuan Xi is under Ven HaiTao practised Esoteric Buddhism in Chinese Mahayana Buddhism
Quan Xi Rinpoche is under Tibetan Gelugpa Tradition (the yellow hat)
the Dolgyal master have used magic to subdue their opponents in the past
a thing that is not allowed in Buddhist teachings . -
If they are accepted into singapore means
they are legal and they may sue so do consider before posting such remarks 
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what is dolyal and why is it probibited?Originally posted by bohiruci:the following sect is not recognised by HH Dalai Lama as they practised the
prohibited Dolyal Teachings
Please refrain from learning from them
http://www.gelugpa.com
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You know, as peaceful as Buddhism is as a faith, I am worried that it will fall into the pattern i see at the other religion, where everyone denounce the other as heretic or cultish or whatever.
Its a worrying sign, and I thought it would be more productive to practise Buddhism than to worry over what is and what is not. -
that is provided the follow the correct path of passing down the teachingsOriginally posted by laurence82:You know, as peaceful as Buddhism is as a faith, I am worried that it will fall into the pattern i see at the other religion, where everyone denounce the other as heretic or cultish or whatever.
Its a worrying sign, and I thought it would be more productive to practise Buddhism than to worry over what is and what is not.
some ,which are term unorthodox is due to the incorrect cultivation of the 3 poison first
the pursuit of wealth and very little emphasis on teachings
Its one own "yuan" learning from any master
I only use the word "refrain" and not condemn ..
bascially I have little wisdom to help other who deeply in believe in some magical aspect of some heretic master .
Its all in individual "wisdom eye" to decide .
my points sincerely -
well singapore only accept their right to be presence in sg (actually the so-called legal right or license are not difficuit to obtain just lok at the MLM and other weird companies around in sg you will noe wat i mean) but remember it is the World Buddhist Association/committee tat can give the acceptance and the recognitionOriginally posted by maggot:If they are accepted into singapore means they are legal and they may sue so do consider before posting such remarks -
my point is
take it with a clearer view
ask yourself question when u want to practise from them
is there a proper lineage?tracing back to Buddha Sakyamuni
does they always says magical power?
how often they relate dharma to your daily life?
do u see a spiritual calmness when you practise that ?
all this question apply to all organisation under the Buddhist umbrella . -
thnks i see ur points.Thus i always say pple need to understand the basic concept of buddhism and learn to apply it to our daily lifeOriginally posted by bohiruci:my point is
take it with a clearer view
ask yourself question when u want to practise from them
is there a proper lineage?tracing back to Buddha Sakyamuni
does they always says magical power?
how often they relate dharma to your daily life?
do u see a spiritual calmness when you practise that ?
all this question apply to all organisation under the Buddhist umbrella . -
Thanks for pointing this out to our readersOriginally posted by bohiruci:The teachings of Gelugpa is not recognised by Wisdom Bliss and Compassionate Affinity
as this rinpoche is not a welcome visitor of HH Dalai Lama Office and H H Ganden Dripa in Dharamsala
Rinpoche Quan Xi is different from Ven Chuan Xi
Ven Chuan Xi is under Ven HaiTao practised Esoteric Buddhism in Chinese Mahayana Buddhism
Quan Xi Rinpoche is under Tibetan Gelugpa Tradition (the yellow hat)
the Dolgyal master have used magic to subdue their opponents in the past
a thing that is not allowed in Buddhist teachings .
Heard from Sinweiy that they are opening an exhibition at the year end.
Here is a complete list of Schools/Traditions/Sects NOT Recognised In Our Forum -
things are not what they seem in buddhism.
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Buddhism is the most peaceful religion, we do not accuse other 'denominations'/sects as long as they are of the Mainstream Buddhism and does not deviate into other practises.Originally posted by laurence82:You know, as peaceful as Buddhism is as a faith, I am worried that it will fall into the pattern i see at the other religion, where everyone denounce the other as heretic or cultish or whatever.
Its a worrying sign, and I thought it would be more productive to practise Buddhism than to worry over what is and what is not.
For example, New Kadampa Tradition and Chinese Gelugpa Society worships a worldly spirit, and this practise is condemned by the whole Tibetan Buddhist community including the Dalai Lama himself. Therefore, CGS is not a Mainstream Buddhist tradition and is not recognised in Buddhism.
See our ex-moderator's reply regarding them:Originally posted by _wanderer_:Yup, do avoid all books by Geshe Kelsang Gyatso, because him and his followers are proponents of a particular practice which has been very severely warned by HH Dalai Lama and many great teachers, that is harmful to the Dharma. The practice also tends to distract one's mind away from the Dharma but rather preoccupied with worldly benefits like wealth etc.
Since you have already bought the book, I suggest you burn it away respectfully (since there is still Dharma content in the book) or bring to a Buddhist temple and request them to help you dispose of the book appropriately.
I agree with Eternal Now that the most dangerous are the ones which have 90% truth and 10% untruth, which can easily lead us up the wrong path.
For your information, in Singapore this particular tradition has a center known as the Singapore Gelugpa Buddhist Society (can't remember if it ends with "Buddhist Society", "Buddhist Centre" or "Buddhist Association"). Heard that they may be holding a hundred million chants of Om Mani Padme Hung end of this year maybe in Kallang Theatre. Do take note of it and avoid taking part in it. -
Originally posted by An Eternal Now:
so denominations/sects is also a prob in buddhism? haizzz..I think in all "faiths" cannot be avoided...
Buddhism is the most peaceful religion, we do not accuse other 'denominations'/sects [b]as long as they are of the Mainstream Buddhism and does not deviate into other practises.
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what is mainstream buddhism? i only know mahayana and ...oops...sorry the other one practised by thai/sri lanka buddhism.
IMHO, when religion spreads, it absorbs "local favours" and syncretism develops....like shinto merge with buddhism in japan, taoism merge with buddhism/confucianism in china
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Mainstream Buddhism are Theravada, Mahayana, Vajrayana Buddhism.Originally posted by laoda99:so denominations/sects is also a prob in buddhism? haizzz..I think in all "faiths" cannot be avoided...
what is mainstream buddhism? i only know mahayana and ...oops...sorry the other one practised by thai/sri lanka buddhism.
IMHO, when religion spreads, it absorbs "local favours" and syncretism develops....like shinto merge with buddhism in japan, taoism merge with buddhism/confucianism in china
BTW, is there a clear guideline as to what is heresy in Buddhism?
And denominations and sects is not a problem in Buddhism actually. Because we generally see denominations and sects in a different light. As long as the teachings of each 'sect' follows the guidelines of the 3 Dharma Seals it should be OK.
And also, it is a common view among Buddhists that there are '84000' dharma doors in Buddhism - that Buddha taught not only one dharma door for enlightenment but many different kinds of dharma doors - a person only need to focus on one to attain enlightenment. For example zen focuses on meditation and koan and the pure land school focuses on chanting Amitabha. Different patriarches open up different sects according to the needs of the times and focuses on different aspects of Buddhism. And after all, there are enlightened people from all the different schools of Buddhism, so I think this sectarian thing is totally unnecessary.
But of course, there is a history of sectarianism in different times and different parts of Buddhism, but much of it I believe is resolved. As for now, there is very little sectarian tendencies among Buddhists, but you can say perhaps a very minority of them continue to prejudiced in some ways.
Regarding 'heresy', see The Four SealsOriginally posted by _wanderer_:
The entire Buddhist teachings can be summarized in the four seals (in the Theravadin tradition, it is more commonly known as the three seals). Anything that sounds Buddhistic but does not contain the 4 seals is not Buddhism. As such, the 4 seals are often used as a reference for people to distinguish what is Buddhism and what's not.
The 4 seals are:
1. All compounded things are impermanent.
2. All afflictive emotions are painful.
3. All phenomena are empty; they are without inherent existence.
4. Nirvana is beyond extremes.
(there may be other slightly different versions due to translation)
Read a very good teaching on the 4 seals from the following url:
[b]Buddhism In a Nutshell: The Four Seals of Dharma
- Dzongsar Khyentse Rinpoche
http://www.shambhalasun.com/Archives/Features/2000/Mar00/4Seals.htm
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So what will happen to these pple who are into heresy?Originally posted by An Eternal Now: -
Those who cling on wrong views will not be able to achieve liberation and enlightenment.Originally posted by laoda99:So what will happen to these pple who are into heresy? -
oh ok....Originally posted by An Eternal Now:Those who cling on wrong views will not be able to achieve liberation and enlightenment.
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there is but i do not wish to enter into unnecessary legal tussle with themOriginally posted by laoda99:so denominations/sects is also a prob in buddhism? haizzz..I think in all "faiths" cannot be avoided...
what is mainstream buddhism? i only know mahayana and ...oops...sorry the other one practised by thai/sri lanka buddhism.
IMHO, when religion spreads, it absorbs "local favours" and syncretism develops....like shinto merge with buddhism in japan, taoism merge with buddhism/confucianism in china
BTW, is there a clear guideline as to what is heresy in Buddhism?
so follow the guidelines i given earlier
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Originally posted by laoda99:
Thai/Sri Lanka Buddhism is Theravadin Buddhism. Tibetan Buddhism is Vajrayana Buddhism. There is a lesser known Vajrayana Buddhism in Japan, known as Shingon Buddhism.
what is mainstream buddhism? i only know mahayana and ...oops...sorry the other one practised by thai/sri lanka buddhism.IMHO, when religion spreads, it absorbs "local favours" and syncretism develops....like shinto merge with buddhism in japan, taoism merge with buddhism/confucianism in china
Actually all these are OK.
It is perfectly OK to merge religious customs from Shinto and Taoism, as long as the teachings of Buddhism does not become distorted by them. Like I said - follow the Dharma Seals.
Buddhism is a very flexible religion and can easily adapt to the different cultures of the people - and as for current, it is trying to adapt to western societies.
But one thing though: Buddhism does not worship deities and spirits like the (modern day) Taoists and Shinto. And also, Taoist influence on Buddhism is a much more earlier event - during that time, Taoism also did not have these kind of practises. -
Originally posted by An Eternal Now:
what are the Lu4 Du4 Mu3 in Tibetan Buddhism? They not deities?
Actually all these are OK.
It is perfectly OK to merge religious customs from Shinto and Taoism, as long as the teachings of Buddhism does not become distorted by them. Like I said - follow the Dharma Seals.
Buddhism is a very flexible religion and can easily adapt to the different cultures of the people - and as for current, it is trying to adapt to western societies.
But one thing though: [b]Buddhism does not worship deities and spirits like the (modern day) Taoists and Shinto. And also, Taoist influence on Buddhism is a much more earlier event - during that time, Taoism also did not have these kind of practises.[/b] -
Originally posted by bohiruci:
I would disagree that denomination is a major problem in Buddhism - and I think you would agree since you have also studied into many various Mahayana and Vajrayana traditions
there is but i do not wish to enter into unnecessary legal tussle with them
But it is true that there is more sectarian tendencies in Japanese Buddhism history. -
Originally posted by bohiruci:
frm what i heard, ven chuan xi (with ven Hai Tao) was also trained in tibetan budhism as well as mahayana budhism, HE can speak tibetan. he's also a 14th reincarnation of a well-known lama (not sure the name). the tibetan brought him back to tibet, but he was not able to suit the lifestyle, so he return back to china. so u see, ven chuan xi also have a title of rinpoche.
Rinpoche Quan Xi is different from Ven Chuan Xi
Ven Chuan Xi is under Ven HaiTao practised Esoteric Buddhism in Chinese Mahayana Buddhism
i posted it before.
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Green Tara is a manifestation of Avalokitesvara Bodhisattva - Guan Yin Pu Sa.Originally posted by laoda99:what are the Lu4 Du4 Mu3 in Tibetan Buddhism? They not deities?
She may appear to be a deity, but in essence she is an enlightened Bodhisattva. -
and like what Buddha says, all dharmas are Equal. This is the non-discriminatory wisdom of Buddhism.Originally posted by An Eternal Now:And also, it is a common view among Buddhists that there are '84000' dharma doors in Buddhism - -
once ven dhammika gives a good storyOriginally posted by An Eternal Now:I would disagree that denomination is a major problem in Buddhism - and I think you would agree since you have also studied into many various Mahayana and Vajrayana traditions
But it is true that there is more sectarian tendencies in Japanese Buddhism history.
which i will illustrate here
3 person , an Englishman , a chinese and malay met and saw a cup of tea on the table
the englishman said proudly "hey ,that is a cup of tea , it is the name for that!"
The chinese immediately rebutted ,"no , it is called cha in chinese !"
then the malay comes along trying to outdo both of them ,"that is called teh ,u two ,duhz
so they are quarelling away ,and a monk comes by
the monk pick up the cup of tea and said
whether u called it teh , tea or cha ,as long as it quench my thirst, i have it
so the monk drank up the cup of tea
that is my answer to sectarianism -
*claps*Originally posted by bohiruci:once ven dhammika gives a good story
which i will illustrate here
3 person , an Englishman , a chinese and malay met and saw a cup of tea on the table
the englishman said proudly "hey ,that is a cup of tea , it is the name for that!"
The chinese immediately rebutted ,"no , it is called cha in chinese !"
then the malay comes along trying to outdo both of them ,"that is called teh ,u two ,duhz
so they are quarelling away ,and a monk comes by
the monk pick up the cup of tea and said
whether u called it teh , tea or cha ,as long as it quench my thirst, i have it
so the monk drank up the cup of tea
that is my answer to sectarianism
Sadhu! Sadhu! Sadhu!