Warnings to Buddhist about unorthodox sect in Singapore
-
chiong one ah?
-
You may want to edit here: it is not the teachings of Gelugpa that is not recognised, it is the Chinese Gelugpa Society/Singapore Gelugpa Society that we do not recognise.Originally posted by bohiruci:The teachings of Gelugpa is not recognised by Wisdom Bliss and Compassionate Affinity -
huh?Originally posted by NT2:chiong one ah? -
Hi AEN,
I hope to understand more about the reasons for not recognising
Chinese Gelugpa Society and Singapore Gelugpa Society.
I am really keen to know more, because a person whom I know might be in their community.
Thanks.
Concerned ManOriginally posted by An Eternal Now:You may want to edit here: it is not the teachings of Gelugpa that is not recognised, it is the Chinese Gelugpa Society/Singapore Gelugpa Society that we do not recognise. -
Unfortunately the website which used to have information on that was taken down (henry's website).Originally posted by concerned_man:Hi AEN,
I hope to understand more about the reasons for not recognising
Chinese Gelugpa Society and Singapore Gelugpa Society.
I am really keen to know more, because a person whom I know might be in their community.
Thanks.
Concerned Man
So, for now, other than the points Bohiruci already stated, this should keep you reading:
http://www.tibet.com/dholgyal/index.html -
yes , it is the teachings of chinese gelugpa society we dun recognise inOriginally posted by An Eternal Now:You may want to edit here: it is not the teachings of Gelugpa that is not recognised, it is the Chinese Gelugpa Society/Singapore Gelugpa Society that we do not recognise.
Compassionate Affinity
Wisdom Bliss
and Buddha mandala blessing -
ven chuanxi under ven haitao is not practise tibetan esoteric
thought i reply this from a message of bohiruci., so that we can all learn.
he is practice tientai esoteric under chinese mahayana
regarding the use of the word “esoteric”. isn’t esoteric buddhism = tibetan buddhism? esoteric = mysterious (frm dictionary). so if put esoteric/mysterious in front of mahayana or any sect, it would become vajrayana already. no?
sorry, i’m not so familiar with ‘esoteric’.
btw, from watching many videos of ven haitao, He don’t seem to be exactly from tientai. it seems to be from pureland school, but used to practice Earth store method. and i notice He like to learn many method (fa men wu liang shi yuan xue) and love to teach mantras, and encourage ppl to leave ‘home’. need to go find the previous teacher to know more. hmm..
however, from our(PL, MCKÂ’s) pov we donÂ’t really encourage learning too many doors for beginners. unless, one is like San Cai(Sudhana) of Hua Yen Sutra. He went to visit 53 gurus while still remain loyal to the first guru who teach Him nianfo method until the last guru, Bodhisattva Samantabhadra! His mind is still unwavered. Excellent indeed.
Master Yin Guang and MCK’s teacher, Li Bin Nan also don’t encourage ppl to leave ‘home’, though we think leave home is very good, just that we scare if ppl don’t really uphold the precept properly, they might end up in hell realms. True leave home is leave the home of afflictions/vexation, leave the home of samsara is what we encourage.
thx, Amituofo!
/\ -
Esoteric is a term ,yes ,as spelt out in the dictionaryOriginally posted by sinweiy:thought i reply this from a message of bohiruci., so that we can all learn.
regarding the use of the word “esoteric”. isn’t esoteric buddhism = tibetan buddhism? esoteric = mysterious (frm dictionary). so if put esoteric/mysterious in front of mahayana or any sect, it would become vajrayana already. no?
sorry, i’m not so familiar with ‘esoteric’.
btw, from watching many videos of ven haitao, He don’t seem to be exactly from tientai. it seems to be from pureland school, but used to practice Earth store method. and i notice He like to learn many method (fa men wu liang shi yuan xue) and love to teach mantras, and encourage ppl to leave ‘home’. need to go find the previous teacher to know more. hmm..
however, from our(PL, MCKÂ’s) pov we donÂ’t really encourage learning too many doors for beginners. unless, one is like San Cai(Sudhana) of Hua Yen Sutra. He went to visit 53 gurus while still remain loyal to the first guru who teach Him nianfo method until the last guru, Bodhisattva Samantabhadra! His mind is still unwavered. Excellent indeed.
Master Yin Guang and MCK’s teacher, Li Bin Nan also don’t encourage ppl to leave ‘home’, though we think leave home is very good, just that we scare if ppl don’t really uphold the precept properly, they might end up in hell realms. True leave home is leave the home of afflictions/vexation, leave the home of sasamra is what we encourage.
thx, Amituofo!
/\
The Buddhist academic cant use the word "secret"
because anything secret doesnt sound orthodox
this is just a look at words
Mi Zong (Esoteric Buddhism) is based on the Inner Heart of Buddha
Buddha Sakyamuni have various Dharma-door for various Sentient Beings
Pureland is one of them
the next thing to point out is the we cannot use the term "Vajrayana Buddhism" as the Generic name for Esoteric Schools
Ven Mingjing of Huayen Society can tell you this
The Esoteric School is divided into 3 division .not due to difference
but the history at which the 3 school came to China/Tibet and Japan
There is actually no need to see be "attached" to the term "esoteric"
use
Earth Store Bodhisattva does have a section where he vowed to help sentient beings to the Pureland of Amitabha ,there is really no conflict to which areas.
as the saying goes "All Dharma door leads to Pureland ",so it is the matter of choosing what is suitable for oneself
I am exploring the Huayen Esoteric school of Mahayana Buddhism
I shall emphasis again
please refer to my earlier post on esoteric school
-First Period of Estoeric Buddhism
Tang Dynasty China invited by Tang Emperor with VajraBodhi as one of the 3 sages practising Esoteric
-Absorbed into Tientai school and known as Tientai Esoteric
Second Period of Esoteric Buddhism
Japanese Monk Kukai brought Esoteric Buddhism to Japan ,retaining Tang Dynasty flavour
Remained at True Word (Zhen Yan,Shingon) Sect in Japan
Lineage = Koyasan
3rd Period of Esoteric Buddhism (before Muslim invasion of India )
Nalanda University - Treatise Master Atisha with Padmasambhava
known as Tibetan Buddhism ,also with the general Name Vajrayana Buddhism
due to its emphhasis on practice of Vajra
and till now they are constantly alive to help sentient beings in the path of bodhi
In Mahayana Buddhism
the richness is in its ability to accept all capacities of sentient beings
The practice of Esoteric is one must associate one is a Buddha /Bodhisattva
as the practice goes "What would I do if I am Buddha?"
thus the practice of cleansing one body ,speech and mind entering the Holy World of Buddha and Bodhisattva (Mandala) -
so your point is supportive of Ven Hai tao teaching or u dun?Originally posted by sinweiy:thought i reply this from a message of bohiruci., so that we can all learn.
regarding the use of the word “esoteric”. isn’t esoteric buddhism = tibetan buddhism? esoteric = mysterious (frm dictionary). so if put esoteric/mysterious in front of mahayana or any sect, it would become vajrayana already. no?
sorry, i’m not so familiar with ‘esoteric’.
btw, from watching many videos of ven haitao, He don’t seem to be exactly from tientai. it seems to be from pureland school, but used to practice Earth store method. and i notice He like to learn many method (fa men wu liang shi yuan xue) and love to teach mantras, and encourage ppl to leave ‘home’. need to go find the previous teacher to know more. hmm..
however, from our(PL, MCKÂ’s) pov we donÂ’t really encourage learning too many doors for beginners. unless, one is like San Cai(Sudhana) of Hua Yen Sutra. He went to visit 53 gurus while still remain loyal to the first guru who teach Him nianfo method until the last guru, Bodhisattva Samantabhadra! His mind is still unwavered. Excellent indeed.
Master Yin Guang and MCK’s teacher, Li Bin Nan also don’t encourage ppl to leave ‘home’, though we think leave home is very good, just that we scare if ppl don’t really uphold the precept properly, they might end up in hell realms. True leave home is leave the home of afflictions/vexation, leave the home of sasamra is what we encourage.
thx, Amituofo!
/\
btw, from watching many videos of ven haitao, He don’t seem to be exactly from tientai. it seems to be from pureland school, but used to practice Earth store method. and i notice He like to learn many method (fa men wu liang shi yuan xue) and love to teach mantras, and encourage ppl to leave ‘home’. need to go find the previous teacher to know more. hmm..
May I wish to clarify something
Finding your root teacher is also inside Pureland Buddhism
Sometimes you are suffering in saha world , You need proper guides to prevent your practice from walking round in circles
Ven Haitao is very much following after his Benefactor shifu practice to encourage this
mantra chanting is good indeed
the rebirth mantra is also an mantra
Which can be use to alleviate suffering ,reduce one's calamities in life
Namo Amitabhaya
Djota Kataya Tadyatha
Amrita Bhopi Amrita Siddam Bhopi
Ga mini Ga Ga na Tsidokali Svaha
-
li jing zhu fo, chen zhan ru lai. Respect the Buddhas (outside), Praise the Tathagata (inside).
Originally posted by bohiruci:
i think not for beginners but i bow and respect His teaching. i'm still loyal to MCK's teaching of focusing on one. and that concentration lead to opening of wisdom. Ven Hai tao did explained that He's a monk, He ought to.
so your point is supportive of Ven Hai tao teaching or u dun?
ps : i know for 3 yrs, MCK used to follow Zhang Jia Da Shi, who was a disciple of Lama Tsong Khapa and also One of the 4 Guo Shi (guru of the Emperor)!
/\ -
Originally posted by bohiruci:
actually, itÂ’s most surprisingly that the Earth Store Sutra never mentioned about Amitabha Buddha.
Earth Store Bodhisattva does have a section where he vowed to help sentient beings to the Pureland of Amitabha ,there is really no conflict to which areas.
iÂ’m now trying to figure why. Other Masters did some explaination, that sentient beings of saha world are very stubborn and donÂ’t believe easily. And also Earth Store Sutra is only for practicing merit for samsara, leave the 3 evil realms and not for liberation to escape samsara. maybe itÂ’s one step at a time. first bring them out of hell before telling them of Amitabha per se.
/\ -
Each sutra is written to achieve a certain purpose
So do think why a sutra is written in it's manner
-
Originally posted by An Eternal Now:
yeah, i normally don't do deframing and would respect ppl, but i wonder how come they (Singapore Gelugpa Buddhist Society ) have this privilege to have the Buddha's relics and Buddha's disciples' relics for the exhibition in Spore Expo come end of the year.
Thanks for pointing this out to our readers
Heard from Sinweiy that they are opening an exhibition at the year end.
Here is a complete list of Schools/Traditions/Sects NOT Recognised In Our Forum[/b]
http://www.gelugpa.com/images/Gelugpa/Forms/Relic.pdf
http://www.gelugpa.com
/\ -
See things from a different point of view and you will know how they manage to be in singapore legally and to have so many Buddha's relics and other relicsOriginally posted by sinweiy:yeah, i normally don't do deframing and would respect ppl, but i wonder how come they (Singapore Gelugpa Buddhist Society ) have this privilege to have the Buddha's relics and Buddha's disciples' relics for the exhibition in Spore Expo come end of the year.
http://www.gelugpa.com/images/Gelugpa/Forms/Relic.pdf
http://www.gelugpa.com
/\
A point to note
See things from your OWN points of view and not follow others' narrow point of view -
they not consider buddhists?Originally posted by sinweiy:yeah, i normally don't do deframing and would respect ppl, but i wonder how come they (Singapore Gelugpa Buddhist Society ) have this privilege to have the Buddha's relics and Buddha's disciples' relics for the exhibition in Spore Expo come end of the year.
http://www.gelugpa.com/images/Gelugpa/Forms/Relic.pdf
http://www.gelugpa.com
/\ -
They use magic?Originally posted by bohiruci:The teachings of Gelugpa is not recognised by Wisdom Bliss and Compassionate Affinity
as this rinpoche is not a welcome visitor of HH Dalai Lama Office and H H Ganden Dripa in Dharamsala
Rinpoche Quan Xi is different from Ven Chuan Xi
Ven Chuan Xi is under Ven HaiTao practised Esoteric Buddhism in Chinese Mahayana Buddhism
Quan Xi Rinpoche is under Tibetan Gelugpa Tradition (the yellow hat)
the Dolgyal master have used magic to subdue their opponents in the past
a thing that is not allowed in Buddhist teachings .
Me now very interested 
-
really got use magic? u mean voodoo....kong tao? All these are real?Originally posted by maggot:They use magic? Me now very interested -
Depends on the person's cultivations not impossible to reach that stage if there's teachers who teach thatOriginally posted by laoda99:really got use magic? u mean voodoo....kong tao? All these are real?
Magic real or not? Up to you to decide and experience it
Anyway I think my relatives are in that sect too -
ask ur relatives whether they can show u some magicOriginally posted by maggot:Depends on the person's cultivations not impossible to reach that stage if there's teachers who teach that
Magic real or not? Up to you to decide and experience it
Anyway I think my relatives are in that sect too 
-
Do not believe in anything based on magic. The reason why Buddha does not frequently perform magic/miracle because demons can perform such acts. Wisdom will be hard to develope this way.
It is really important to have a self-examination with a perfect clarity mind, in harmony with all so as to see things clearly - Wisdom can then develope.
AMiTuoFo -
This will be funOriginally posted by laoda99:ask ur relatives whether they can show u some magic -
pls read Greatest MiraclesOriginally posted by maggot:This will be fun
http://www.sgforums.com/?action=thread_display&thread_id=187828 -
They deal with a worldly spirit.Originally posted by maggot:They use magic? Me now very interested -
[picture removed by advise]
kewl! -
Nice picture