Warnings to Buddhist about unorthodox sect in Singapore
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I would put it slightly differently-- the reason people seem to benefit by NKT is the same reason people seem to be able to be nourished by wholesome food laced with poison. If you eat only a little poisoned food, very likely you can use the nourishment with in it.
But over time, if you eat enough tainted food, eventually the poison will get to you and you will sicken and die.
Some poisons even make one feel stronger for a time, before they ruin one's health completely.
Therefore, some new people, having only consumed a small amount of the Dharma propogated by NKT, and having not yet encountered Dogyal practice, are harmed only to the extent that they will be blinded by the lies and half-truths propagated by NKT. Others, emboldened by the practice of the gyalpo [king spirit], will feel very powerful in samsara.
But in the end, they will all come to ruin through their reliance on the gyalpo, plummeting straight over the cliff of false Dharma.
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- Namdrol, Administrator of E-Sangha
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huh.Originally posted by bohiruci:please refrain from posting wrathful deities or worldly spirit ,
it can be a traumatic experience to some people who have weak heart
Under Vajrayana Buddhism ,all images of Wrathful deities have to be explained before publish them on the books , internet and online material
the person who post must have a gd intention in mind
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Don't criticize if you don't have the abilities to ward off attacks of the "unknown"
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Hmm...I can still post...so why closed?Originally posted by An Eternal Now:Topic closed. -
Because I re-opened it 10 seconds before you posted.Originally posted by maggot:Hmm...I can still post...so why closed? -
If you are referring to my post , I shall said worldly spirit must not be posted on wisdom blissOriginally posted by maggot:Don't criticize if you don't have the abilities to ward off attacks of the "unknown"
buddha mandala blessing and compassionate affinity
because of its nature .
We dun want to encourage accumulation of 3 poison which ruin ones life
and into the 3 lower realms of sufferings
For Buddha ,Bodhisattvas and God-Protector picture , they have educational values , and is much encouraged and one can purify oneselves in the path of Bodhi
Wrathful deities of Buddhism can still be posted , provided they are give proper explanation on the forum .
We dun want to restrict freedom of reverence of Buddha Image ,but we wish to prevent sentient beings from being deluded
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Bodhiruci wrote:
"The teachings of Gelugpa is not recognised by Wisdom Bliss and Compassionate Affinity"
Your statement is very misleding and be careful of jumping into conclusion. Gelugpa is a major school of Tibetan buddism and practised by millions of buddhists over the world.
To non Tibetan buddhists or newbies, they might think "All teaching of Gelugpa" is improper. Gelugpa school is founded by Je Tzongkapa but a minority of black sheeps are stirring some politics among the Gelugpa sangha and devotees.
Due to some Tibetan politics and struggle of HH Dalai Lama independence from China regime, Tibetan Gelugpa sangha community has been splitted into 3 major movements which Chinese Gelugpa is based in Taiwan and New Kadampa is based in the West. These sub-sects opposed Dalai Lama in their worship of Dorje Shugden, a worldly deity who believe to be a murdered griverence soul of a Gelugpa monk in 18th century political sectarian turmoil.
Many may think it is merely kicking fuss over Shugden's issue, but Shugden is a media for politicians to dilute Tibetan community and Dalai Lama's influence.
http://www.lamayeshe.com/lamazopa/advicebook/practice/shugden.shtml
When buddhists gets too passionate and emotional attached to their schools and Gurus, sectarianism sets in and this is where tragic and conflicts evolves. So this can be a human flaw weakness but an opportunity for those crooked religious leaders to gain power and enforce their status.
Lama Zopa gave a good discourse about the qualities of Guru we are looking for and impartial observation is required before submerged ourselves into blind faith as follows:
http://www.lamayeshe.com/lamazopa/guru.shtml
There are many political issues which i need not mention here and it is harmful to our pure Dharma practises. We must have mindfulness to beware ourselves from falling into these downfalls.
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Originally posted by An Eternal Now:
i think Buddha practice moderation of neither extreme, ie middle way. like eating meat for eg.
Well of course he does, as I was saying in the previous thread/post, Buddha highly condemned many superstitious rituals and things like animal sacrifices.
Condemn not for the sake of condemning, but condemn to let others know what to avoid. ]
so depend on situations, some time Condemn good, some time bad. don't get me wrong that i support bad practice. i mean we 'jing er yuan zi' , respect and avoid.
i give an analogy of my point. say i'm a doctor. if my greatest enermy had an accident right in front of me, seriously injured. you help or let it die?
i don't think Buddha is so uncompassionate and let it die, as the accident is not it wanted one.
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dear rahula ,Originally posted by rahula25:Bodhiruci wrote:
"The teachings of Gelugpa is not recognised by Wisdom Bliss and Compassionate Affinity"
Your statement is very misleding and be careful of jumping into conclusion. Gelugpa is a major school of Tibetan buddism and practised by millions of buddhists over the world.
To non Tibetan buddhists or newbies, they might think "All teaching of Gelugpa" is improper. Gelugpa school is founded by Je Tzongkapa but a minority of black sheeps are stirring some politics among the Gelugpa sangha and devotees.
Due to some Tibetan politics and struggle of HH Dalai Lama independence from China regime, Tibetan Gelugpa sangha community has been splitted into 3 major movements which Chinese Gelugpa is based in Taiwan and New Kadampa is based in the West. These sub-sects opposed Dalai Lama in their worship of Dorje Shugden, a worldly deity who believe to be a murdered griverence soul of a Gelugpa monk in 18th century political sectarian turmoil.
Many may think it is merely kicking fuss over Shugden's issue, but Shugden is a media for politicians to dilute Tibetan community and Dalai Lama's influence.
http://www.lamayeshe.com/lamazopa/advicebook/practice/shugden.shtml
When buddhists gets too passionate and emotional attached to their schools and Gurus, sectarianism sets in and this is where tragic and conflicts evolves. So this can be a human flaw weakness but an opportunity for those crooked religious leaders to gain power and enforce their status.
Lama Zopa gave a good discourse about the qualities of Guru we are looking for and impartial observation is required before submerged ourselves into blind faith as follows:
http://www.lamayeshe.com/lamazopa/guru.shtml
There are many political issues which i need not mention here and it is harmful to our pure Dharma practises. We must have mindfulness to beware ourselves from falling into these downfalls.
didnt i mentioned i changed to the teaching of chinese Gelugpa society is not recognised by
Wisdom Bliss
Buddha_mandala_blessing
and Compassionate Affinity
I suppose you never been reading the whole thread
The teachings of Gelugpa I held in highest regards ,but not of the
teachings of Dholgyal
ps:I have a picture of Je Tsong Khapa at my bedside , why would I want to denounce His teachings
All teachers of the Vajrayana throughout is great , though my personal preference is Guru Padmasambhava
regards,
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The compassion of the enlightened ones manifest in ways that are not always fathomable to us. Our ordinary conception of kindness is something about smiling and being nice. If a cow is standing near the cliff and about to fall down, what the cow needs is not a pleasant smile but perhaps a thick branch to hit it in the direction that ensures its safety.Originally posted by sinweiy:i think Buddha practice moderation of neither extreme, ie middle way. like eating meat for eg.
so depend on situations, some time Condemn good, some time bad.
i give an analogy of my point. say i'm a doctor. if my greatest enermy had an accident right in front of me, seriously injured. you help or let it die?
i don't think Buddha is so uncompassionate and let it die, as the accident is not it wanted one.
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If someone were to engage in very harmful actions to himself and others, a Buddha/Bodhisattva may not hesitate to take extreme actions out of the compassion to prevent this person from planting such negative seeds for himself/herself.
This is not an excuse for us to engage in extreme acts in the name of "helping people". We need to be aware of our own motivations in whatever actions we undertake. However, we also need to know that sometimes great realized beings may not act in the ways we expect them to. An enlightened being doesn't really care about how we see them - as being sacred, wise, compassionate, moral, or not - they act in whichever ways necessary to bring about sentient beings' enlightenment.
The Shugden practice has been highly discouraged by many great lamas and there are reasons for that. If you wish to know more about the practice and why it's been so strongly discouraged, I find that the wikipedia provides quite a good overview - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shugden
Condemning the Shugden practice is not denying that Shugden is able to attain enlightenment one day. Just because Shugden has Buddha potential doesn't mean we should allow/condone the harmful practice. Similarly, just because pseudo-Buddhist cults (like Yi-Kwan-Dao, Falungong etc) also teach people to do good or the practitioners also have the Buddha Nature, doesn't mean that we shouldn't differentiate them from the Buddhist path.
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Condemning the Shugden practice is not denying that Shugden is able to attain enlightenment one day. Just because Shugden has Buddha potential doesn't mean we should allow/condone the harmful practice. Similarly, just because pseudo-Buddhist cults (like Yi-Kwan-Dao, Falungong etc) also teach people to do good or the practitioners also have the Buddha Nature, doesn't mean that we shouldn't differentiate them from the Buddhist path.
Yi guan dao and Falungong teaches people to do good
but throughout history ,Yi guan dao attack buddhist articles ,establishment
and derogates Buddhist teachings
Many of the Priest in Yi Guan Dao Embroiled into sex scandal in Taiwan .
and what does triple Gem cannot be revealed or go out immediately kena killed by car ?
and belief in an Wu sheng Lao Mu ??
Falungong misled people into practice qi gong with Buddhist concept ,and its method have never lead people liberated , however present more health problem for alot of people due to the enormous concentration of Qi around the human body ...
so ,tell me , should we differentiate the teachings since it is non -liberative (from samsara ,cycle of birth and death )?
or should we allow them to misled others ?
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agreeOriginally posted by bohiruci:Yi guan dao and Falungong teaches people to do good
but throughout history ,Yi guan dao attack buddhist articles ,establishment
and derogates Buddhist teachings
Many of the Priest in Yi Guan Dao Embroiled into sex scandal in Taiwan .
and what does triple Gem cannot be revealed or go out immediately kena killed by car ?
and belief in an Wu sheng Lao Mu ??
Falungong misled people into practice qi gong with Buddhist concept ,and its method have never lead people liberated , however present more health problem for alot of people due to the enormous concentration of Qi around the human body ...
so ,tell me , should we differentiate the teachings since it is non -liberative (from samsara ,cycle of birth and death )?
or should we allow them to misled others ?
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Bodhiruci wrote:
"The teachings of Gelugpa is not recognised by Wisdom Bliss and Compassionate Affinity"
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Nvm I just helped Bohiruci edited it.
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Bodhiruci,
You initiate the post and your 1st posting stated "The gelugpa teaching blah blah blah". And other members copied your initial post several times and reply upon it. So misunderstanding may caused. -
Precisely what I meant.Originally posted by bohiruci:so ,tell me , should we differentiate the teachings since it is non -liberative (from samsara ,cycle of birth and death )?
or should we allow them to misled others ?
Happy Vesak to all!
Been so busy I haven't had time to come here at all, till AEN msn me. Congrats to neutral_onliner, think you'll be a much better moderator than myself. -
okie ,Originally posted by rahula25:Bodhiruci,
You initiate the post and your 1st posting stated "The gelugpa teaching blah blah blah". And other members copied your initial post several times and reply upon it. So misunderstanding may caused.
I may be in the wrong tone , but I have the hearts of many people when I wanted to post to warn people abt the forthcoming Buddha Relic Exhibition
this year end .
Indeed my words is worded wrongly , but my intention is based on providing a early warnings to delusion and polluting to the lineage of Buddha .
I was working busily at my office , and think I should not ignore this issue of Chinese Gelugpa Society at hand .So I decided to post
So , I did wrong in the words ,but again it is not beyond hope of redemption
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Good that U are mindful in using your words in forums. Hope mistakes won't happen again like NPBS mails....hehehe.... -
Npbs mail ....that is not my issue ,anyway I have clarified with Jianchuan liaoOriginally posted by rahula25:Good that U are mindful in using your words in forums. Hope mistakes won't happen again like NPBS mails....hehehe....
it is more of understanding and the awareness place issue i am again standing firm
this is not npbs, this is sgforums
thank you
someone pointed out the wrong idea of using awareness place membership
It is a legal issue .
If everyone were to take awareness place of non-transferable as a lightly issue
i am afraid there will be no more buddhist bookshop with the right legal rights
a book with copyright is with copyright , no one can argue upon that
same as a transferable of a membership
when everything stated on a card .it is legal-binding
It is the use of Wisdom in this case
and I have nothing against anyone .Just a legalistic statement on certain issue
When we go government office ,we also have to fill in forms
forms is a official a piece of legal documents we have to obey when we sign on
"I agree to abide by the terms and conditions.If found providing falsifying information ,I will be ..... fined ,jailed "
There is no favour about that
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I heard from Bohiruci about what happened in the past... Let us not bring unhappy memories from other forums into ~ Buddhism: Wisdom Bliss ~
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U need not justify anything and explain so much about this past. I not interested. Relax and walk the middle path....be mindful of falling into either 2 extremes....keke....
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okie ..Originally posted by rahula25:U need not justify anything and explain so much about this past. I not interested. Relax and walk the middle path....be mindful of falling into either 2 extremes....keke....
May all sentient beings realised tzong bah nyi in future aeons to come -
Ven Shin Hong mentioned: how to regonised if a particular cult is the manifestation of Guan Yin Bodhisattva (as describe in THE UNIVERSAL DOOR OF GUANSHI YIN BODHISATTVA) and not mara? He said, as long as they don't slander the triple gem(Buddha/dharma/sangha), it's still possible that they are manifestion of Guan Yin Bodhisattva to help them.
ps: that said in Buddhism, Unorthodox is when One seek Dharma OUTside the Mind, "xin wai qiu fa= wai dao".
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