Recycled Universe: Theory Could Solve Cosmic Mystery
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Originally posted by norey:
That's because you are still trapped within your own conceptual analysis and hasn't gone beyond the mind and your thoughts. Only by going beyond the mind and our own thoughts, our own theories, can we truly see things as they really are.
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Let's admit beyond the third dimension U don't know! I don't really know for sure either does he the Perfect One?
really He knows? or....>>>>
At this level you have already beyond belief and also sceptical doubts. -
Originally posted by casino_king:
that Compassion and Wisdom are of the same side of the coin.
What does Buddha teach about compassion?[/b]
Wisdom is quite different from Knowledge.
Wisdom and compassion are the essence of an enlightened life.
Wisdom and compassion are inextricably linked. They are two sides of the same coin. They are a unit. Separating them is an artificial, intellectual act.
When compassion is taken out of the equation, wisdom turns into worthless platitudes, which easily become destructive. Without compassion, wisdom degenerates into an escapist entanglement in concepts, theories and dogmas.
Wisdom is more than just cleverness plus compassion. It differs in quality to a point where it may seem to have little to do with cleverness. Sometimes, the actions of wise people seem to go against common sense. In fact, wise people often act in ways which are considered foolish by clever people.
When wisdom is taken out of the equation, compassion is perverted, for it loses direction totally. It becomes like a lost ship without navigational means drifting aimlessly on a stormy ocean. A good example of love without wisdom is when parents spoil their children, giving them everything they want, without giving them direction in life. Another example is if someone lacks the courage to tell his friend when she is wrong out of fear he might lose her friendship. A friend that allows you to go astray does not qualify as a friend.
Without wisdom, compassion lacks the detachment essential to perspective and constructive support. Wisdom gives the compassionate person the strength to act against her own personal interests and desires.
Often, compassion is mistaken for a feeling of love. True compassion is independent of emotions. It may produce feelings, but these feelings are not its substance. Compassion is a commitment to constructive support. Love as mere emotion is fickle and unreliable.
Conclusion
Compassion without wisdom does not exist. There is no such thing as wisdom without compassion.
Only when wisdom and compassion fuse do they become a tremendous force working for the good of everyone and everything.
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U buddhists people are great bullies..this is your present levelOriginally posted by An Eternal Now:That's because you are still trapped within your own conceptual analysis and hasn't gone beyond the mind and your thoughts. Only by going beyond the mind and our own thoughts, our own theories, can we truly see things as they really are.
At this level you have already beyond belief and also sceptical doubts.
Just because someone say
he want to STOP
arguing those points of matters as regards to one's
personal beliefs...
And he obviously
had chosen to
Agreed to disagree..
Don't tell me yours are not beliefs but FACTS...?
That would be made you folks LIARS!when you all awake in eternity and discover U r wrong! -
Originally posted by alien2:
relax pal learn to control ur mind.Do not let your anger control u
U buddhists people are great bullies..this is your present level
Just because someone say
[b] he want to STOP
arguing those points of matters as regards to one's
personal beliefs...
And he obviously
had chosen to
Agreed to disagree..
Don't tell me yours are not beliefs but FACTS...?
That would be made you folks LIARS!when you all awake in eternity and discover U r wrong![/b]
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hey we both are online..I'm as cool as an old cucomber just taken out from the frig..Originally posted by neutral_onliner:relax pal learn to control ur mind.Do not let your anger control u
I mean there are sure many teachings and doctrines and practices in the Buddhist's belief, and other religions like Christianity too have all these, though there are different ideas and beliefs.
and such things are not seen as when we mention about eternity or the hereafter.. you cannot be too dogmatic when U r here online...and to be everyone's judge or judgmental in these matter.. I 'm going to sleep. it's being a long day for me 2!
excited? no way been here long enough to learn to be cool
Thks for the great attention! Good nite, sleep and meditate.. -
k...have a gd nite sleepOriginally posted by alien2:hey we both are online..I'm as cool as an old cucomber just taken out from the frig..
I mean there are sure many teachings and doctrines and practices in the Buddhist's belief, and other religions like Christianity too have all these, though there are different ideas and beliefs.
and such things are not seen as when we mention about eternity or the hereafter.. you cannot be too dogmatic when U r here online...and to be everyone's judge or judgmental in these matter.. I 'm going to sleep. it's being a long day for me 2!
excited? no way been here long enough to learn to be cool
Thks for the great attention! Good nite, sleep and meditate.. -
Originally posted by alien2:
I never claimed that they are facts, but indeed it is not a belief. In Buddhism, keep an open mind and then see for yourselves.
U buddhists people are great bullies..this is your present level
Just because someone say
[b] he want to STOP
arguing those points of matters as regards to one's
personal beliefs...
And he obviously
had chosen to
Agreed to disagree..
Don't tell me yours are not beliefs but FACTS...?
That would be made you folks LIARS!when you all awake in eternity and discover U r wrong![/b]
You see the human conditioning is that we are always protecting our own egoic identity as has been displayed in your reactions to my post. The mind identifies beliefs as part of its ego. When the ego is threatened, it will react strongly to protect the identity.
http://www.sgforums.com/?action=thread_display&thread_id=192177And so religions, to a large extent, became divisive rather than unifying forces. Instead of bringing about an end of violence and hatred through a realisation of the fundamental oneness of all life, they brought more violence and hatred, more divisions between people as well as between different religions and even within the same religion. They became ideologies; belief systems people could identify with and so use them to enhance their false sense of self. Through them, they could make themselves “right” and others “wrong” and thus define their identity through their enemies, the “others,” the “nonbelievers” or “wrong believers” who not infrequently they saw themselves justified in killing. Man made “God” in his own image. The eternal, the infinite, and unnameable was reduced to a mental idol that you had to believe in and worship as “my god” or “our god.”
What is the role of the established religions in the arising of the new consciousness? Many people are already aware of the difference between spirituality and religion. They realise that having a belief system – a set of thoughts that you regard as the absolute truth – does not make you spiritual no matter what the nature of those beliefs is. In fact, the more you make your thoughts (beliefs) into your identity, the more cut off you are from the spiritual dimension within yourself. Many “religious” people are stuck at that level. They equate truth with thought, and as they are completely identified with thought (their mind), they claim to be in sole possession of the truth in an unconscious attempt to protect their identity. They don’t realise the limitations of thought. Unless you believe (think) exactly as they do, you are wrong in their eyes, and in the not-too-distant past, they would have justified in killing you for that. And some still do, even now.
Pls read the entire article there. -
I find this article interesting, written by Jim Dreaver, a Canadian. @ www.jimdreaver.com
Enlightenment and Religion
Q. Are you saying that enlightenment is incompatible with religion, that we canÂ’t both be enlightened and, say, be a devout Jew, or Christian, or Moslem?
I think if people are devout and follow the true teachings of their particular religion, especially as they relate to the values I just mentioned, then that is a fairly enlightened way to live. However, awakening, or enlightenment, in the way I use the word, refers to understanding who we are beyond all our beliefs, concepts, and ideas about who we are.
It is knowing ourselves as the awareness, the consciousness, behind all phenomena, behind all creation, which includes the creation of religious beliefs and stories. Enlightenment means unconditional freedom, a freedom that does not depend on any agent, belief, or circumstance.
Once you have seen through the illusion of the world inside your head, which is what enlightenment is, you can no longer cling to any particular story about reality, which includes a religious identity or point of view. Instead, you find yourself honoring, equally, the core of truth and goodness in all religions. However, you may well choose to worship or express your love of the Divine through a particular religion.
The path to true freedom is not incompatible with going to church, the mosque, or to temple. In fact, the freer you get of your own story, and of attachment to ideas and images of “self,” the more clearly you’ll understand and relate to the heart of the great spiritual and religious teachings. You just won’t get lost in all the dogma, the rules and restrictions, the guilt-tripping. Meister Eckhart, the fifteenth century German mystic, had clearly realized his true nature, but he continued to be a Christian preacher. The Dalai Lama is a contemporary example of an awakened human being who, because of destiny, finds himself espousing the cause of Tibetan Buddhism
For a growing number of us throughout the world, however, the deeper our own inquiry into the true nature of God and creation, and the greater our own hunger for true inner peace and freedom, the less satisfied we are with attaching to any form of belief or story. We want the experience of awakening, of enlightenment, now.
For that to happen, we must get fully and alertly present now, see all our stories and beliefs for what they are, mere objects in consciousness, and realize that what we fundamentally are is the consciousness which sees. -
Thanks for sharingOriginally posted by concerned_man:I find this article interesting, written by Jim Dreaver, a Canadian. @ www.jimdreaver.com
Enlightenment and Religion
Q. Are you saying that enlightenment is incompatible with religion, that we canÂ’t both be enlightened and, say, be a devout Jew, or Christian, or Moslem?
I think if people are devout and follow the true teachings of their particular religion, especially as they relate to the values I just mentioned, then that is a fairly enlightened way to live. However, awakening, or enlightenment, in the way I use the word, refers to understanding who we are beyond all our beliefs, concepts, and ideas about who we are.
It is knowing ourselves as the awareness, the consciousness, behind all phenomena, behind all creation, which includes the creation of religious beliefs and stories. Enlightenment means unconditional freedom, a freedom that does not depend on any agent, belief, or circumstance.
Once you have seen through the illusion of the world inside your head, which is what enlightenment is, you can no longer cling to any particular story about reality, which includes a religious identity or point of view. Instead, you find yourself honoring, equally, the core of truth and goodness in all religions. However, you may well choose to worship or express your love of the Divine through a particular religion.
The path to true freedom is not incompatible with going to church, the mosque, or to temple. In fact, the freer you get of your own story, and of attachment to ideas and images of “self,” the more clearly you’ll understand and relate to the heart of the great spiritual and religious teachings. You just won’t get lost in all the dogma, the rules and restrictions, the guilt-tripping. Meister Eckhart, the fifteenth century German mystic, had clearly realized his true nature, but he continued to be a Christian preacher. The Dalai Lama is a contemporary example of an awakened human being who, because of destiny, finds himself espousing the cause of Tibetan Buddhism
For a growing number of us throughout the world, however, the deeper our own inquiry into the true nature of God and creation, and the greater our own hunger for true inner peace and freedom, the less satisfied we are with attaching to any form of belief or story. We want the experience of awakening, of enlightenment, now.
For that to happen, we must get fully and alertly present now, see all our stories and beliefs for what they are, mere objects in consciousness, and realize that what we fundamentally are is the consciousness which sees.
Very interesting article/website also. -
He is not a Buddhist, but something to do with some Indian spiritual tradition.
I glanced thru one of his book "The Way of Harmony" from the community library, a very well written with heaps of Buddhism principles. -
Advaita Vedanta.Originally posted by concerned_man:He is not a Buddhist, but something to do with some Indian spiritual tradition.
I glanced thru one of his book "The Way of Harmony" from the community library, a very well written with heaps of Buddhism principles.
There is a difference though, between mystical traditions and Buddhism... although it is subtle. -
Good morning. I just had breakfast and was meditating ''how thankful I am to be able to have all the blessings and plus health, peace and harmony withOriginally posted by An Eternal Now:Advaita Vedanta.
There is a difference though, between mystical traditions and Buddhism... although it is subtle.
nature, the world and the Almighty Creator''
And how to praise God for giving us such wonderful blessings - above all, He gives Himself to be my Peace so that humbly I may be able to approach the highest throne of the Universe with that special given right standing. Yes all praises be to Him who set enthroned high above ...this is the mystical dimension I am prepared for when I go home to my eternal rest...
BTW R u claiming to be an exalted person like THE ADVAITA PARAMPARA? When you so authoritative made so many ego claims?
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Originally posted by alien2:
You know what a Muslim in one of the posts told me? It is up to Allah. Stop presuming that you know God; presuming that you can speak for God.
U buddhists people are great bullies..this is your present level
Just because someone say he want to STOP arguing those points of matters as regards to one's personal beliefs... And he obviously had chosen to Agreed to disagree..
Don't tell me yours are not beliefs but FACTS...?
That would be made you folks LIARS!when you all awake in eternity and discover U r wrong!
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BTW R u claiming to be an exalted person like THE ADVAITA PARAMPARA? When you so authoritative made so many ego claims?
Because it is ridiculously obvious, I shall answer for him. No, he is not claiming to be an exalted person.[/b]
In fact, I see him as sharing what he learnt and knows. It has been an interesting read, and will continue to be so. There is no need to get so defensive about your religion, I don't think there is anyone here is discredit your beliefs. -
Thanks CK..Originally posted by casino_king:You know what a Muslim in one of the posts told me? It is up to Allah. Stop presuming that you know God; presuming that you can speak for God.
for believers but
I know only myself..I don't need to presume when I >>>>>>>>>
relate to God..
it's a relationship U never will know
unless U 2 r a believer
That's your business to believe or not..U choose waht U wannna believe..and likely like most ppl they chose to live Up, or live like Hell be4 they go..so waht it's not my busines..LOr
so shut up.. about my business
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yeah..sound very much like his follower or a cloneOriginally posted by JerzZzzZ:Because it is ridiculously obvious, I shall answer for him. No, he is not claiming to be an exalted person.
In fact, I see him as sharing what he learnt and knows. It has been an interesting read, and will continue to be so. There is no need to get so defensive about your religion, I don't think there is anyone here is discredit your beliefs.
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Yes, you can tell people what you believe, but can you tell people how they will end up in eternity? Are you God? So once you tell people how they will end up in eternity, you are presuming that you are God. No man can speak for God, he can only speak for himself.Originally posted by alien2:Thanks CK..
for believers but
I know only myself..I don't need to presume when I >>>>>>>>> relate to God..
it's a relationship U never will know unless U 2 r a believer
That's your business to believe or not..U choose waht U wannna believe..and likely like most ppl they chose to live Up, or live like Hell be4 they go..so waht it's not my busines..LOr
so shut up.. about my business
You can say: I believe that I will go to hell if this and that.
You cannot say: You will go to hell if this and that.
See the difference? -
AMiTuoFo.
A very good morning. I too had a very excellent morning. I am also grateful that we all have all the blessings and health, peace and harmony with nature.
But we must also rememer there are also others people in various parts of the world who cannot see today's sunlight and for some who can see, they are in great pain and agony. There are others in certain parts of the world, who are experiencing war, poverty, and are victims of both natural disasters and human mistakes.
About your preparation to go home to your eternal rest.... Everyone has every right to choose what he wants for himself. Good on you and all the best.
So long as all are happy, we are happy. Again it is about Shui2 Shun4.Originally posted by alien2:Good morning. I just had breakfast and was meditating ''how thankful I am to be able to have all the blessings and plus health, peace and harmony with
nature, the world and the Almighty Creator''
And how to praise God for giving us such wonderful blessings - above all, He gives Himself to be my Peace so that humbly I may be able to approach the highest throne of the Universe with that special given right standing. Yes all praises be to Him who set enthroned high above ...this is the mystical dimension I am prepared for when I go home to my eternal rest...
BTW R u claiming to be an exalted person like THE ADVAITA PARAMPARA? When you so authoritative made so many ego claims? -
CK so sorry i 've to go to J.B. for my dentalOriginally posted by casino_king:Yes, you can tell people what you believe, but can you tell people how they will end up in eternity? Are you God? So once you tell people how they will end up in eternity, you are presuming that you are God. No man can speak for God, he can only speak for himself.
You can say: I believe that I will go to hell if this and that.
You cannot say: You will go to hell if this and that.
See the difference?
will return to answer another occasion
Thanks for attention...I see some difference in your approach..but we'll comeback another time!
I'm not God
Sometimes ppl call it as reality if that's waht U meant..
However, my own experience had been not a false claim ..just as I speak about myself so..on the other hand
U can witness to those things U Ur -self experienced. nobody can deny it's not real, so we'll be friendly & try to share, but that's not changing your will but you can realise taht it's wrong or it's right
The change is up to individuals..agreed?
BYE! -
Just a couple of things.... the Buddhists teach Enlightenment; not simply believing in a set of procedures.Originally posted by alien2:CK so sorry i 've to go to J.B. for my dental
will return to answer another occasion..agreed? BYE!
Jesus taught "Born Again;" not simply believing in a set of "beliefs."
When you are "born again" you will be like the prophets and Jesus.
Until you know for sure what Enlightenment and Born Again are, you cannot judge anybody.... much less tell people that they will go to hell.
No matter how real your experiences to you are, they are your own reality, you cannot impose your own reality on others.
Unless you are willing to say: "OK guys, listen up. I have been to hell and back and I have interviewed those people there.... you will go to hell if .... You don't even have to believe me, I will tell you how to get there by yourself. First take a basin of water and place your feet into the basin..."
Hope you seriously consider how you can be "born again" instead of simply clinging on to beliefs and call that being born again. -
"EVERYDAY, THINK AS YOU WAKE UP.Originally posted by alien2:Good morning. I just had breakfast and was meditating ''how thankful I am to be able to have all the blessings and plus health, peace and harmony with
nature, the world and the Almighty Creator''
And how to praise God for giving us such wonderful blessings - above all, He gives Himself to be my Peace so that humbly I may be able to approach the highest throne of the Universe with that special given right standing. Yes all praises be to Him who set enthroned high above ...this is the mystical dimension I am prepared for when I go home to my eternal rest...
BTW R u claiming to be an exalted person like THE ADVAITA PARAMPARA? When you so authoritative made so many ego claims?
TODAY I AM FORTUNATE TO HAVE WOKEN UP.
I AM ALIVE,I HAVE A PRECIOUS HUMAN LIFE.
I AM NOT GOING TO WASTE IT
I AM GOING TO USE
ALL MY ENEGYIES TO DEVELOP MYSELF
TO EXPAND MY HEART OUT TO OTHERS
TO ACHIEVE ENLIGHTENMENT FOR
THE BENEFIT OF ALL BEINGS.
I AM GOING TO HAVE KIND
THOUGHTS TOWARDS OTHERS.
I AM NOT GOING TO GET ANGRY.
OR THINK BADLY ABOUT OTHERS.
I AM GOING TO BENEFIT OTHERS
AS MUCH AS I CAN"
-BUDDHA -
v1 (This is) the secret of David.
Keep me safe, my God, because I come to you for help.
v2 I said to the LORD, You are my Lord.
All the good things in my life come from you.
v3 I have great pleasure in the saints on earth.
It is they that do such good things.
v4 But people that run after other (gods) will be sorry.
They will be more than sorry.
I will not offer gifts of blood (to other gods) with them.
I will not even say the names of these (other gods).
v5 You, LORD, chose my part and my cup.
You make safe what is mine.
v6 The lines fell to me in a pleasing place.
(Or, You chose a part for me that is very pleasing.)
Yes. My part is really very beautiful.
all quotes and word from Internet resources, and portion from
my memory and from scriptures
v7 I will say how great the LORD is. He is my teacher.
In the dark nights my feelings also teach me.
v8 I kept the LORD always in front of me.
With him at my right hand nobody will move me.
v9 My heart is happy. My mouth is always singing.
My body will be safe when I sleep.
v10 You will not send me to Sheol.
You will not let your holy one see the Pit.
v11 You will show me the path of life.
With you I will enjoy myself a lot.
At your right hand there is pleasure for ever.
So when I sleep I rest in the the Lord, safetly trusting Him
Should I never awake here, I will awake to see the face of One who loved me
And died for me..
He said:
Let not your heart be troubled,
Believing in God, u believe in Me
In my Father Home there are many dwelling places
I go to prepare a place for u...
So every I rest my soul , commiting myself in the hand of the Almighty,
My Lord and heavenly Father..
Praise be to Him for ever and ever! amen...By norey -
v1 (This is) the secret of David.
Keep me safe, my God, because I come to you for help.
v2 I said to the LORD, You are my Lord.
All the good things in my life come from you.
v3 I have great pleasure in the saints on earth.
It is they that do such good things.
v4 But people that run after other (gods) will be sorry.
They will be more than sorry.
I will not offer gifts of blood (to other gods) with them.
I will not even say the names of these (other gods).
v5 You, LORD, chose my part and my cup.
You make safe what is mine.
v6 The lines fell to me in a pleasing place.
v7 I will say how great the LORD is. He is my teacher.
In the dark nights my feelings also teach me.
v8 I kept the LORD always in front of me.
With him at my right hand nobody will move me.
v9 My heart is happy. My mouth is always singing.
My body will be safe when I sleep.
v10 You will not send me to Sheol.
You will not let your holy one see the Pit.
v11 You will show me the path of life.
With you I will enjoy myself a lot.
At your right hand there is pleasure for ever.
So when I sleep I rest in the the Lord, safetly trusting Him
Should I never awake here, I will awake to see the face of One who loved me
And died for me..
He said:
Let not your heart be troubled,
Believing in God, You believe in Me
In my Father Home there are many dwelling places
I go to prepare a place for you...
So every I rest my soul , commiting myself in the hand of the Almighty,
My Lord and heavenly Father..
Praise be to Him for ever and ever! amen...
all quotes and word from Internet resources, and portion from
my memory and from scriptures
By norey -
amen!Originally posted by norey: v1 (This is) the secret of David.
Keep me safe, my God, because I come to you for help.
v2 I said to the LORD, You are my Lord.
All the good things in my life come from you.
v3 I have great pleasure in the saints on earth.
It is they that do such good things.
v4 But people that run after other (gods) will be sorry.
They will be more than sorry.
I will not offer gifts of blood (to other gods) with them.
I will not even say the names of these (other gods).
v5 You, LORD, chose my part and my cup.
You make safe what is mine.
v6 The lines fell to me in a pleasing place.
(Or, You chose a part for me that is very pleasing.)
Yes. My part is really very beautiful.
all quotes and word from Internet resources, and portion from
my memory and from scriptures
v7 I will say how great the LORD is. He is my teacher.
In the dark nights my feelings also teach me.
v8 I kept the LORD always in front of me.
With him at my right hand nobody will move me.
v9 My heart is happy. My mouth is always singing.
My body will be safe when I sleep.
v10 You will not send me to Sheol.
You will not let your holy one see the Pit.
v11 You will show me the path of life.
With you I will enjoy myself a lot.
At your right hand there is pleasure for ever.
So when I sleep I rest in the the Lord, safetly trusting Him
Should I never awake here, I will awake to see the face of One who loved me
And died for me..
He said:
Let not your heart be troubled,
Believing in God, u believe in Me
In my Father Home there are many dwelling places
I go to prepare a place for u...
So every I rest my soul , commiting myself in the hand of the Almighty,
My Lord and heavenly Father..
Praise be to Him for ever and ever! amen...By norey -
AMiTuoFo!
It is very simple for me. If you believe in your God, that is perfectly fine and we all respect that. This is not the option that I would what to choose.
If the written article is what you seeking, it great! But definitely not what the Buddhists are seeking.
Best wishes in your spiritual path.Originally posted by norey: v1 (This is) the secret of David.
Keep me safe, my God, because I come to you for help.
v2 I said to the LORD, You are my Lord.
All the good things in my life come from you.
v3 I have great pleasure in the saints on earth.
It is they that do such good things.
v4 But people that run after other (gods) will be sorry.
They will be more than sorry.
I will not offer gifts of blood (to other gods) with them.
I will not even say the names of these (other gods).
v5 You, LORD, chose my part and my cup.
You make safe what is mine.
v6 The lines fell to me in a pleasing place.
(Or, You chose a part for me that is very pleasing.)
Yes. My part is really very beautiful.
all quotes and word from Internet resources, and portion from
my memory and from scriptures
v7 I will say how great the LORD is. He is my teacher.
In the dark nights my feelings also teach me.
v8 I kept the LORD always in front of me.
With him at my right hand nobody will move me.
v9 My heart is happy. My mouth is always singing.
My body will be safe when I sleep.
v10 You will not send me to Sheol.
You will not let your holy one see the Pit.
v11 You will show me the path of life.
With you I will enjoy myself a lot.
At your right hand there is pleasure for ever.
So when I sleep I rest in the the Lord, safetly trusting Him
Should I never awake here, I will awake to see the face of One who loved me
And died for me..
He said:
Let not your heart be troubled,
Believing in God, u believe in Me
In my Father Home there are many dwelling places
I go to prepare a place for u...
So every I rest my soul , commiting myself in the hand of the Almighty,
My Lord and heavenly Father..
Praise be to Him for ever and ever! amen...By norey