Will the soul leaves one when one meditate
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Originally posted by neutral_onliner:
what do u mean? i mean...these memories...why pple still have them after they rebirth?
in [b]conventional term yes
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Yah, but cells in our body are changing constantly - unknowingly but surely.
We could not even remember things when we were a baby how can we possibly remember past events.
There are already many convincing experiments over in the states about past lives. Maybe it will be useful and more convincing for a non-buddhist to articulate about such things.Originally posted by laoda99:i may not know what happen in my body but as far as I am concern, I am still myself leh...i haven turn into something else....
u haven answer why pple have memories of their previous life, including the monks who are rebirthed... -
u mean can or cannot remember?Originally posted by concerned_man:Yah, but cells in our body are changing constantly - unknowingly but surely.
We can even remember things when we were a baby how can we possibly remember past events.
There are already many convincing experiments over in the states about past lives. Maybe it will be useful and more convincing for a non-buddhist to articulate about such things.
back to my question, so where does these memories of the "past-self" (i know there is no self) comes from.... -
Hi An Eternal Now
the more we talk the more confused they r.As i said learning must be step by step.Don u think they need to noe wat is emptiness first ? -
so in short u mean these pple cannot possibly remember past events?Originally posted by concerned_man:Yah, but cells in our body are changing constantly - unknowingly but surely.
We could not even remember things when we were a baby how can we possibly remember past events.
There are already many convincing experiments over in the states about past lives. Maybe it will be useful and more convincing for a non-buddhist to articulate about such things.
But how abt some high monks who rebirthed as kids can remember where they recite their sutras......i think i read b4....they even know where their "previous selfs" kept things..... -
Could not.
Xin. In the memory but could not locate/fetch it. In the west, the used the hyposis, able to recollect about 70 past lives memories. Information about languages, coins were verified. Quite a breakthrough. There should be other evidence you can find in the west.Originally posted by laoda99:u mean can or cannot remember?
back to my question, so where does these memories of the "past-self" (i know there is no self) comes from.... -
depend on individual.(actually we cannot remember becos it due to our defilement)Originally posted by laoda99:so in short u mean these pple cannot possibly remember past events? -
so this is rebirth or reincarnate?Originally posted by concerned_man:Could not.
Xin. In the memory but could not locate/fetch it. In the west, the used the hyposis, able to recollect about 70 past lives memories. Information about languages, coins were verified. Quite a breakthrough. There should be other evidence you can find in the west.
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so the Xin is permanent?Originally posted by concerned_man:Could not.
Xin. In the memory but could not locate/fetch it. In the west, the used the hyposis, able to recollect about 70 past lives memories. Information about languages, coins were verified. Quite a breakthrough. There should be other evidence you can find in the west. -
what do u mean by defilement?Originally posted by neutral_onliner:depend on individual.(actually we cannot remember becos it due to our defilement) -
'garbage' in our mindOriginally posted by laoda99:what do u mean by defilement? -
Hi guys,Originally posted by neutral_onliner:'garbage' in our mind
tell u wat why not understand wat is emptiness first.And we will have some discussion on emptiness next time.It getting late .need to sleep liao -
Even this memory is just a succession from moment to moment. The karmic and mental factors are succeeded from moment to moment, and no two moments are the same, and therefore no self, and therefore it is not a permanent 'self' entity that is undergoing reincarnation - but rather, it is rebirth OF the conditions - the karmic and mental factors.Originally posted by Ito_^:so this is rebirth or reincarnate?
Lets not think about past-life first. Think about the present. We are being reborn every moment. But we still can remember what we did this morning. This is because our karmic and mental factors are being succeeded from moment to moment. -
Originally posted by An Eternal Now:
so are karmic effects permanent?
Even this memory is just a succession from moment to moment. The karmic and mental factors are succeeded from moment to moment, and no two moments are the same, and therefore no self, and therefore it is not a permanent 'self' entity that is undergoing reincarnation - but rather, it is rebirth OF the conditions - the karmic and mental factors.
Lets not think about past-life first. Think about the present. We are being reborn every moment. But we still can remember what we did this morning. This is because our karmic and [b]mental factors are being succeeded from moment to moment.[/b] -
This XIN is not the "rou tuan xin" you might be thinking. Sorry for not able to offer you a better understanding because this is something very advance.
My understanding that is that conciousness is permanent. It carries all our individual karmic seeds from lifetimes to lifetimes between Heaven, Earth, Animals, Ghost and Hell realms. And there is a life-span for the seed-realisation.Originally posted by laoda99:so the Xin is permanent? -
it is exhaustable. There is a life-span. Karma energy also has the element of arising and ceasing.Originally posted by laoda99:so are karmic effects permanent?
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Originally posted by An Eternal Now:
hi pal mi knock off soon.trust mi without understanding emptiness one cannot realise no self
Even this memory is just a succession from moment to moment. The karmic and mental factors are succeeded from moment to moment, and no two moments are the same, and therefore , and therefore it is not a permanent 'self' entity that is undergoing reincarnation - but rather, it is rebirth OF the conditions - the karmic and mental factors.
Lets not think about past-life first. Think about the present. We are being reborn every moment. But we still can remember what we did this morning. This is because our karmic and [b]mental factors are being succeeded from moment to moment.[/b] -
Hmmm....consciousness permanent? But I thought in Buddhism nothing is permanent?Originally posted by concerned_man:This XIN is not the "rou tuan xin" you might be thinking. Sorry for not able to offer you a better understanding because this is something very advance.
My understanding that is that conciousness is permanent. It carries all our individual karmic seeds from lifetimes to lifetimes between Heaven, Earth, Animals, Ghost and Hell realms. And there is a life-span for the seed-realisation. -
Originally posted by neutral_onliner:
ok! write abt emptiness here soon! but remember to write har.......(not empty)
hi pal mi knock off soon.trust mi without understanding emptiness one cannot realise [b]no self[/b] -
Yes its impermanent.Originally posted by laoda99:so are karmic effects permanent?
Thats why Buddhists do not believe in eternal hell or heaven. -
Nothing in permanent in Samsara. Absolutely.Originally posted by laoda99:Hmmm....consciousness permanent? But I thought in Buddhism nothing is permanent?
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http://www.sgforums.com/?action=thread_display&thread_id=184991Originally posted by laoda99:ok! write abt emptiness here soon! but remember to write har.......(not empty)
The Ultimate Truth (Emptiness) -
sui la. so a soul is not a soul. but is a conscious, that was influenced by the actions of another.. anyways, a person can remember his past lives through hypnosis, but he does not have memories of his past lives because they don't exist even though he can remember.. but actually the memories are there but he cannot remember because it was defiled, or rather garbage is blocking it. so there is nothing pernament, so a person has no past incarnation but has a past concious, but since he rebirth, its not the same concious so should be blank but karma dictates his present life, so there is memory of a past existence but not an existence that is of an existence, but a past concious that has memory that does not exist but could be retrieved through hypnosis somehow from emptiness. so the current concious does not exist, as it existed 5 minutes ago due to the changing state of time, so 5 minutes ago don't exist now, so it was being defiled into memory and this memory shouldn't exist but could be remembered and become garbage for the next concious after rebirth, yet not the same as the current one but a completely new concious even though karma dictates its life which only can be reflected in the next rebirth, which has no physical relations with the past life, but there is no past life, so its a past concious..
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There was somewhere, but I cannot remember where, that Buddha explained the reasons why ordinary people cannot remember past life.
One of them is due to the pain the baby experiences during birth, one of them is the 9 month in the womb is enough to wash away the memories, etc etc. cant remember all. -
ARRRRRRRRRRGHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!Originally posted by Ito_^:sui la. so a soul is not a soul. but is a conscious, that was influenced by the actions of another.. anyways, a person can remember his past lives through hypnosis, but he does not have memories of his past lives because they don't exist even though he can remember.. but actually the memories are there but he cannot remember because it was defiled, or rather garbage is blocking it. so there is nothing pernament, so a person has no past incarnation but has a past concious, but since he rebirth, its not the same concious so should be blank but karma dictates his present life, so there is memory of a past existence but not an existence that is of an existence, but a past concious that has memory that does not exist but could be retrieved through hypnosis somehow from emptiness. so the current concious does not exist, as it existed 5 minutes ago due to the changing state of time, so 5 minutes ago don't exist now, so it was being defiled into memory and this memory shouldn't exist but could be remembered and become garbage for the next concious after rebirth, yet not the same as the current one but a completely new concious even though karma dictates its life which only can be reflected in the next rebirth, which has no physical relations with the past life, but there is no past life, so its a past concious..