folk buddhism lor.Originally posted by An Eternal Now:All sects are founded based upon particular teachings and practises of the Buddha. The Buddha taught 84000 dharma doors to enlightenment - chanting is one of them, meditation is one of them and within the 'meditation' catergory there are dozens of different types of meditation... there is also koan inquiry, visualisation, etc etc really a lot.
Praying is not one of them because you cannot attain enlightenment by praying.
There is no such thing as Folk Buddhism - only folks' practices.Originally posted by Ito_^:folk buddhism lor.
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No we don talk to buddhaOriginally posted by casino_king:So in actual fact Prayer is a difference and not a similarity, according to you. So if you want to talk to S G Buddha himself, what do you do? Or you never talk to S G Buddha himself?
So Buddhists do not ask Buddha for blessings? Then again I was at the vesak celebration at Suntec fountain and it was something like pray for peace.... by Buddhist Light or Buddha Light organisation orginating from Taiwan? Folk again? Then again I saw foreign nuns so even foreign nuns are caught up in folk practices?Originally posted by neutral_onliner:No we don talk to buddha
the diff between buddhism and God-based religion is tat we believe only we can save ourselvesOriginally posted by casino_king:So Buddhists do not ask Buddha for blessings?
No..no .no the blessing in buddhism and the prayer u observe from other religions is veery different.Originally posted by casino_king:So Buddhists do not ask Buddha for blessings? Then again I was at the vesak celebration at Suntec fountain and it was something like pray for peace.... by Buddhist Light or Buddha Light organisation orginating from Taiwan? Folk again? Then again I saw foreign nuns so even foreign nuns are caught up in folk practices?
direct and inspire our mind towards a certain quality or aim, thus creating the cause for us to attain this NOT having conversation wf himOriginally posted by casino_king:So you are saying that Buddhists do pray? Yes or No?
If Yes, pray to who? Who is listening?
Originally posted by neutral_onliner:You are saying that you when you look at Buddha satue, you are looking at a future ideal self or you are looking at self?
direct and inspire our mind towards a certain quality or aim, thus creating the cause for us to attain this NOT having conversation wf him
when u lok at the buddha statue [b]you r loking at yourself
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Originally posted by casino_king:actually they both like all human died. superman also can die. Buddha taught impermanance, so He must also 'display' dying or we called it parinirvana.
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But you believe that the enlightened person possesed supernatural powers?Originally posted by An Eternal Now:To add to this: it does not mean Buddha is a supernatural being, and not a human being.
Awakening/enlightenment is not supernatural at all - as we have discussed long time ago already.
So why did Buddha say he is not a human being? Because he is detached from the concept of himself being a human being. A human being is still attached to a 'Self' and sees self as his own body, his mind, etc.
A Buddha has awakened from these attachments to 'self' - and his essence cannot be defined in terms of identification with 'human being'. If he is still attached to the identification of 'I AM SOMETHING' then he is not yet enlightened.
Originally posted by casino_king:But you believe that the enlightened person possesed supernatural powers?
Enlightened person may or may not possess supernatural powers. Many non-enlightened people can also develope such powers, so no point in asking this, there are many people outside Buddhism who has exercised such powers. Supernatural powers was never a pre-requisite of enlightenment, and buddha never taught that awakening and supernatural powers are linked. Supernatural powers is also not a goal in practising meditation, it should never be. Siddhis are merely by-products of samadhi and Buddhists always do not emphasize on such aspects.Originally posted by casino_king:But you believe that the enlightened person possesed supernatural powers?
Originally posted by casino_king:What I am trying to say is that Buddhism believes in the super natural. This is where it parts with science and joins the religions?
If you use the word superpower than it means that it is supernatural. Surely you cannot insist that something that is "super" is still in the realm of natural?Originally posted by An Eternal Now:A person who possesses such powers continue to remain fully human..
It is still natural, just that it has gone from the fields of classical physics to the fields of quantum physicsOriginally posted by casino_king:If you use the word superpower than it means that it is supernatural. Surely you cannot insist that something that is "super" is still in the realm of natural?
You are speculating here. You keep on saying that Buddhism is scientific and then you go ahead and make unscietific statements. I do not know why you are so unsure of Buddhism. I need to find out much more.Originally posted by An Eternal Now:It is still natural, just that it has gone from the fields of classical physics to the fields of quantum physicsIn time, science will have a better understanding and therefore there is no longer a need to call it 'super'. In Buddhism we dont see it as super, but merely a side effect of samadhi practises. In Buddhism it is not a big deal and doesnt make anyone a superman, and the powers of karma ultimately cannot be suppressed by the powers through samadhi.
I'll make myself very clear.Originally posted by casino_king:You are speculating here. You keep on saying that Buddhism is scientific and then you go ahead and make unscietific statements. I do not know why you are so unsure of Buddhism. I need to find out much more.
You are speculating. Until science shows that it is indeed natural, science says that it is unnatural or super natural. You cannot say that you are scientific and then throw scientific principles out the window. Which brings us to a very interesting observation and that is, you seem unsure of Buddhism's ability to stand on its own and need supporting evidence? Please do not take this as I am attacking Buddhism, I am merely "attacking" your logic and convictions.Originally posted by An Eternal Now:I'll make myself very clear.
Supernatural implies that it is # Of or relating to existence outside the natural world.
In Buddhism, siddhis are known to be existing as part of the 'natural world' - in fact there is nothing in the world that is unnatural, it only depends on whether the person can comprehend it as natural or not.
In the past people think the Sun rising and moon rising is supernatural, and therefore out of this ignorance they start worshipping the sun and the moon. In Buddhism, we also recognise that such powers yet we do not emphasize it in a way that makes people overly excited or start worshipping people who have such powers.
As for science, as far as science progress on fields of quantum physics even though there is not a lot of understandings yet, it may no longer be needed to call such occurance supernatural, but of course in terms of classical physics we still call it supernatural because it is difficult to comprehend such occurences in terms of classical physics.