Is a constantly changing object an object?
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Why is an object that is constantly changing not an object? It is a constantly changing object, that is all.
You are constantly changing and I am constantly changing. Does not mean that you do not exist and I do not exist.
What you do, the cause will direct the constantly changing you to change in one direction but it will not affect the constantly changing me.
What affects the constantly changing me are my actions.
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If things did in fact exist the way they appear - if things did exist so
concretely - then when one looked into and investigated them, this inherent
existence should become even clearer, more obvious. However, when you seek
for the object designated, you cannot find it under analysis.
[That] which gives rise to the appearance of I is mind and body, but when
you divide this into mind and body and look for the I, you cannot find it.
Also the whole, body, is designated in dependence upon the collection of
parts of the body; if you divide this into its parts and look for the body,
you cannot find it either.
Even the most subtle particles in the body have sides and hence parts. Were
there something partless, it might be independent, but there is nothing that
is partless. Rather, everything exists in dependence on its parts... There
is no whole which is separate from its parts.
No matter what the phenomenon is, internal or external, whether it be one's
own body or any other type of phenomenon, when we search to discover what
this phenomenon is that is designated, we cannot find anything that is it.
However, these things appear to us as if they do exist objectively and in
their own right, and thus there is a difference between the way things
appear to our minds and the way they actually exist... Since phenomena
appear to us in a way that is different from what we discover when
analysing, this proves that their concrete appearance is due to a fault of
our minds.
by The Fourteenth Dalai Lama, His Holiness Tenzin Gyatso, translated and
edited by Jeffrey Hopkins, co-edited by Elizabeth Napper, from "Kindness,
Clarity, and Insight" published by Snow Lion Publications -
The cells of our body are dying, the neurons in our brain are decaying, even
the expressions on our face are always changing, depending on our mood. What
we call our basic character is only a “mindstream,” nothing more. Today we
feel good because things are going well; tomorrow we feel the opposite.
Where did that good feeling go?
What could be more unpredictable than our thoughts and emotions: Do you have
any idea what you are going to think or feel next? The mind, in fact, is as
empty, as impermanent, and as transient as a dream. Look at a thought: It
comes, it stays, and it goes. The past is past, the future not yet risen,
and even the present thought, as we experience it, becomes the past.
The only thing we really have is nowness, is now.
Sogyal Rinpoche -
a object is something that can be held physically
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That people die; that people change moods; that people become hungry... does not mean that people do not exist right? All it means is that: "people die; people change moods; people become hungry"
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an object is a lump of data in the memory.
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Originally posted by casino_king:
We are constantly changing, be it be good or bad. We changed hoping for the better.
However, no matter how you changed, one day you will find yourself back to the starting point, if you don't plan your change well (Your action).
Step forward may be a open ocean, step backward you may find a big blue sky..who knows. -
I am sure if I catch you I can hold you physically. But if you are dead by the time I catch you does that count or not?Originally posted by StarPuppy:a object is something that can be held physically -
OOP?Originally posted by Ito_^:an object is a lump of data in the memory. 
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Sure, but can you conclude that a constanly changing object; the fact that it is constantly changing means that it does not exists?Originally posted by king108: We are constantly changing, be it be good or bad. We changed hoping for the better.
However, no matter how you changed, one day you will find yourself back to the starting point, if you don't plan your change well (Your action).
Step forward may be a open ocean, step backward you may find a big blue sky..who knows. -
why not? a object is something physicalOriginally posted by casino_king:I am sure if I catch you I can hold you physically. But if you are dead by the time I catch you does that count or not? -
Though different forms are perceived, they are in essence empty;
yet in the emptiness one perceives forms.
Though different sounds are heard, they are empty;
yet in the emptiness one perceives sounds.
Also different thoughts arise; they are empty,
yet in the emptiness one perceives thoughts.
DUDJOM RINPOCHE -
But is it still YOU? How come you never go to EH but come to Buddhist forum?Originally posted by StarPuppy:why not? a object is something physical -
Originally posted by casino_king:
EH very hiong
But is it still [b]YOU? How come you never go to EH but come to Buddhist forum?[/b]
and besides i am buddhist but i am a freethinker stance -
To a non Buddhist it is quite meaningless. Can you explain? Especially how it relates to the topic header?Originally posted by geforce:Though different forms are perceived, they are in essence empty;
yet in the emptiness one perceives forms.
Though different sounds are heard, they are empty;
yet in the emptiness one perceives sounds.
Also different thoughts arise; they are empty,
yet in the emptiness one perceives thoughts.
DUDJOM RINPOCHE -
"Wu ji Shi You, You Ji Shi Wu" needed me to explain further?Originally posted by casino_king:Sure, but can you conclude that a constanly changing object; the fact that it is constantly changing means that it does not exists? -
Even I can tell you that you must not call yourself a Buddhist unless you embrace the 3 treasures? Do you embrace the 3 treasures?Originally posted by StarPuppy:EH very hiong
and besides i am buddhist but i am a freethinker stance -
Of course. A constantly changing object exists or not? Please don't tell me yes and no. If yes and no then why yes, why no? After weighing the evidence please conclude yes or no. Can?Originally posted by king108:"Wu ji Shi You, You Ji Shi Wu" needed me to explain further? -
Originally posted by casino_king:Of course. A constantly changing object exists or not? Please don't tell me yes and no. If yes and no then why yes, why no? After weighing the evidence please conclude yes or no. Can? Please treated as my reply..
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Please play play in BAR and CHIT CHAT and be serious hereOriginally posted by king108: Please treated as my reply.. -
I just thought of another point.
For the constantly changing object to be called an object; the constant change must be predictable. -
hey casino i have explained tis to laoda99 u can check the postOriginally posted by casino_king:I just thought of another point.
For the constantly changing object to be called an object; the constant change must be predictable. -
Originally posted by neutral_onliner:
Which thread/topic?
hey casino i have explained tis to [b]laoda99 u can check the post [/b] -
ok..ok i explain to u step by step ok?Originally posted by casino_king:Which thread/topic? -
ThanksOriginally posted by neutral_onliner:ok..ok i explain to u step by step ok?