Is a constantly changing object an object?
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So how?Originally posted by sinweiy:yeah lor, folk buddhists don’t have learning of Buddha’s teachings, let alone the real meaning of it. they just go temple to pray pray for luck or for wealth. never meditates. only have a outside label of so called “buddhist or taoist”.
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Originally posted by casino_king:
Educate lor.
So how?
not to blame them actually.. we have to blame ourselves for being quiet and not educating the public enough abt the real meaning of Buddha's teachings. but i think, it's been improved over the recent years, to see we are working on it to give more talks to propagate BuddhaDhamra. and not just do funeral chanting ceremonies, rituals and such.
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Not only programmers but engineers and scientists.If u look at the data east and west u will notice the trend,mostly(not all but mostly) are from these groupsOriginally posted by Ito_^:i suddenly think oop programmers are the easiest to understand buddhism.
(not to be taken seriously)
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Yah lor is'nt tat wat we are doing now (sharing wf you guys)Originally posted by sinweiy:Educate lor.
not to blame them actually.. we have to blame ourselves for being quiet and not educating the public enough abt the real meaning of Buddha's teachings. but i think, it's been improved over the recent years, to see we are working on it to give more talks to propagate BuddhaDhamra. and not just do funeral chanting ceremonies, rituals and such.
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Buddhism is gaining wide appeal across the globe. The large international membership of the World Buddhist Sangha Council is clear evidence. There are a growing number of internet sites that offer information about Buddhism. Many companies produce music, videos, and multi-media educational material on Buddhism. Buddhism has even influenced pop culture and permeated into the psyche of the masses. In Singapore too, Buddhism has not only retained its relevance, but is gaining popularly. Between 1990 and 2000, the percentage of Singaporeans above 15 years old who are Buddhists increased from 31% to 43%, the largest increase amongst all major religions. Dharma talks in Singapore are now also conducted in English, to reach out to young Singaporeans, including professionals. Devotees today do not just visit the temples to pray. They are eager to delve deeper into the Buddhist scriptures and reflect upon their philosophical and spiritual significance.Originally posted by casino_king:So how?
Pls oso read Buddhism's draw is no longer as a folk religion
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MmmMmmMm usually when we say winning and losing is an illusion cos either winning and losing gives lasting happiness.Originally posted by casino_king:Some gamblers say that they are Christians and some say that they are Buddhists.
So I tell them that Buddha said that life is only an illusion, winning and losing is only an illusion." They will come back and tell me that people still have to eat (emptiness is form.)
So you see, they have a point, while form is emptiness, emptiness is form. People still need to go on with their lives and not simply say, "kong kong, sen3 me4 dou shi4 kong."
How does one apply this saying in real life?
Winning gives momentary happiness but after squander winning lot away. what happiness are there left ? A win does not mean constant winning. it is easier to get upset if u place happiness on top of external things as top priority. which is so easy affected.
ThrilL and pleasure in gambling?. Mentality of most gamblers are Lose alot, must continue to gamble to recoup loss. win once, think they are winner, gamble somemore to win more. BUT life does not goes the way u want loh... esp in gambling where it depends on luck.
Addicated Gamblers are selfish. They are attached to (love-of- thrill ,pleasure, anger (must win back the money or not appeased) etc etc desire ) that they fail to see their actions affecting their love ones. this Obession/attachement to their desire blinded their mind.
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Let me give another example, maybe Platform shoes was hot in 1960s then lose its fashion fad... then become popular again in the 90s and now it may be resurfacing again as a fashion fad... However, it is still about Platform shoes (Platforms shoes are still Platform shoes ) but the motivation for this fashion fad, people's attitude towards the shoes and design/type of the platform change along with time.
Every designs, idea and people are inter-related/ inter-play with one another to affected the direction of fashion trend which affect platform shoes.
ur questions: Is a constantly changing object an object?
Emptiness does not deny the existence of each and every thing, but it denies the existence of a fixed unchanging self behind each and every thing.
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One way to learn understand and realise the meaning behind emptiness is by meditating and reading on dharma books.
There are 84000 door to dharma.
Sometime, u can suddenly understand why one day. ( not a often thing to happen cos need the right conditions )
I understand by reading buddhism books ( some books that explained by Sangha helps alot ), observation and learning applying them to my own life.
Ask a venerable aso helps alot heehee.
Plain intectual understanding often are not sufficient to Realise emptiness -
Why "Plain intectual understanding often are not sufficient to Realise emptiness?"
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Originally posted by casino_king:
in order to see the bottom of the water, we must first still and settle the water. same goes for the mind.
Why "Plain intectual understanding often are not sufficient to Realise emptiness?"
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Yes..Plain intectual understanding often are not sufficient to Realise emptinessOriginally posted by Isis:One way to learn understand and realise the meaning behind emptiness is by meditating and reading on dharma books.
There are 84000 door to dharma.
Sometime, u can suddenly understand why one day. ( not a often thing to happen cos need the right conditions )
I understand by reading buddhism books ( some books that explained by Sangha helps alot ), observation and learning applying them to my own life.
Ask a venerable aso helps alot heehee.
Plain intectual understanding often are not sufficient to Realise emptiness -
What is Realise?
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Go attend Dharma talk lor... ONE Dharma lesson speak more than a thousand words in this forumOriginally posted by casino_king:What is Realise? -
You sure? How to ask "What is realise?"Originally posted by neutral_onliner:Go attend Dharma talk lor... ONE Dharma lesson speak more than a thousand words in this forum -
Originally posted by sinweiy:
ever wonder why a small insect like an ant can move? like wat's the mechanic and fuel that make it alive! its there any battery? or transparent sea creatures without bone, internal organs can be alive and moving per se.
existence is made of mind and matter,
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I am trying to discover if what Buddhists call mind is what Christains call soul; no matter how much they disagree with each other.Originally posted by sinweiy:ever wonder why a small insect like an ant can move? like wat's the mechanic and fuel that make it alive! its there any battery? or transparent sea creatures without bone, internal organs can be alive and moving per se.
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I am trying to discover if what believers call "God" is what the Buddhists call "universal concsciousness."
I am trying to discover if what the Buddhist call nivarna is what Christians call heaven.
I am trying to discover if what the Buddhists call enlightenment is what the Christians call being "Born again." -
Originally posted by casino_king:
Soul is just the 7th consciousness(ego centric) in Buddhist. Mind have many parts.
I am trying to discover if what Buddhists call mind is what Christains call soul; no matter how much they disagree with each other.
I am trying to discover if what believers call "God" is what the Buddhists call "universal concsciousness."
I am trying to discover if what the Buddhist call nivarna is what Christians call heaven.
I am trying to discover if what the Buddhists call enlightenment is what the Christians call being "Born again."[/b]
If the ‘God’ is a Being, then He also have a Mind that we all have. if it’s something beyond Being, like the Tao, then maybe we have something similar. like all fingers lead to the palm; all river lead to the sea; all leaves lead to the stem and eventually to the root.
heaven to us is happiness that will also end. like ppl go to a party, they play and have fun, but when ended, they suffer a lose. there are many form of heavens. like above the desire heaven, there's form heaven where ppl have less desires, but more interest in art form and nature form. then there are formless heaven, where ppl are no even attached to beauty form.
but nirvana is dwelling in dharma activities, when oneÂ’s mind is at peace and bliss. it's also see no evil, hear no evil, speak no evil mentaity. a love of all compassion, seeing everyone and everything as One entity.
itÂ’s stilling the mind, as since the universe and matter is always in motion and when thereÂ’s motion, thereÂ’s frictions. frictions cause suffering. but the mind can be still to end suffering. when the mind is still like a flat mirror, it can then reflect all truths and knowing. that's enlightenment.
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Most of what you said is controversial and based on personal beliefs so I will not go there.Originally posted by sinweiy:Soul is just the 7th consciousness(ego centric) in Buddhist. Mind have many parts.
If the ‘God’ is a Being, then He also have a Mind that we all have. if it’s something beyond Being, like the Tao, then maybe we have something similar. like all fingers lead to the palm; all river lead to the sea; all leaves lead to the stem and eventually to the root.
heaven to us is happiness that will also end. like ppl go to a party, they play and have fun, but when ended, they suffer a lose. there are many form of heavens. like above the desire heaven, there's form heaven where ppl have less desires, but more interest in art form and nature form. then there are formless heaven, where ppl are no even attached to beauty form.
but nirvana is dwelling in dharma activities, when oneÂ’s mind is at peace and bliss. it's also see no evil, hear no evil, speak no evil mentaity. a love of all compassion, seeing everyone and everything as One entity.
itÂ’s stilling the mind, as since the universe and matter is always in motion and when thereÂ’s motion, thereÂ’s frictions. frictions cause suffering. but the mind can be still to end suffering. when the mind is still like a flat mirror, it can then reflect all truths and knowing. that's enlightenment.
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I notice something interesting though and that is your concept of "stilling" the mind. What exactly do you mean?
If something is constantly changing, how can it ever be still? By still do you mean that it is no longer changing?
Is the mind also inherently empty?
I hope your intepretation of Form is Emptiness and the concept of Inherently Emptiness is the same as what I have been told here because it seems to be different when I ask different people.
Is mind an object? Is mind not an object and so not subject to the laws of Form is Emptiness and inherent emptiness?
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meditate lorOriginally posted by casino_king:Most of what you said is controversial and based on personal beliefs so I will not go there.
I notice something interesting though and that is your concept of "stilling" the mind. What exactly do you mean?
If something is constantly changing, how can it ever be still? By still do you mean that it is no longer changing?
Is the mind also inherently empty?
I hope your intepretation of Form is Emptiness and the concept of Inherently Emptiness is the same as what I have been told here because it seems to be different when I ask different people.
Is mind an object? Is mind not an object and so not subject to the laws of Form is Emptiness and inherent emptiness?
So what do you mean when you say "still" the mind? -
What is the mechanism? How does meditation still the mind? What is mind? Is it subject to the laws of Form is Emptiness? Is it sunject to inherent emptiness? What is the reason that meditation can still the mind?Originally posted by neutral_onliner:meditate lor -
Wah...u seem so interested.Like many of us the new thinking generation .We question.That's wat learning buddhism is all abt ,questioning,observing,training and realisationOriginally posted by casino_king:What is the mechanism? How does meditation still the mind? What is mind? Is it subject to the laws of Form is Emptiness? Is it sunject to inherent emptiness? What is the reason that meditation can still the mind?
The Buddha insisted that one must not accept even his own Teachings on the basis of faith alone.
One must gain knowledge and then develop understanding through study, discussion, meditation and finally contemplation. Knowledge is one thing, understanding is another. If there is understanding one can adjust oneÂ’s life according to changing circumstances based on the knowledge one has. We may have met learned people who know many things but are not realistic because their egoism, their selfishness, their anger, their hatred do not allow them to gain unbiased mental attitudes and peace of mind. When it is necessary to compromise, we must know how to compromise. When it is necessary to tolerate, we must know how to tolerate. When it is necessary to stand firm we must stand firm, with dignity.
As i have said inorder to have a better understanding,attend dharma talk lor -
tot u practice meditation before. what they teach?
i think for any methods (be it breathing, recitation, visualisation of image, contemplation of thoughts etcs), if one can get the mind from wandering about, it's a successful method.
they are in the end to tame the mind ie 'still' the mind.
they used an analogy of the senses:
"A crocodile, bird, dog, fox, monkey and snake were tied together with a rope and then were let go. Six creatures of very different natures. Each animal will try to go back to its own lair by its own method. The snake will seek a covering of grass, the crocodile will seek water, the bird will want to fly in the air, the dog will seek a village, the fox the solitude ledge and the monkey will seek the trees of a forest. That the animals are connected by one rope, the strongest at any one time will drag the rest. Man is tempted in different ways by the desires of his 6 senses eyes, ears, nose, touch, tongue or taste and mind and is controlled by the predominate desire. If the creatures are all tied to a post they will try to get free until they are tired out and then will lie down by the post. Just like this, if people will train and control the mind there will no further trouble from the other 5 senses. Once the mind is under control peace can be found."
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How about telling me things that I do not already know? Are you telling me that nobody can explain to me what is "Still" the mind? What happens when you still the mind? Is it even possible, after understanding that Form is Emtiness and inherent emptiness to still the mind? What happens after you still the mind? What is it like? What do you see? Are there physical changes? Are there any changes to external objects? What? Sorry for being so persistent.
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u noe u and me in fact everyone has a 'MONKEY' mindOriginally posted by casino_king:How about telling me things that I do not already know? Are you telling me that nobody can explain to me what is "Still" the mind? What happens when you still the mind? Is it even possible, after understanding that Form is Emtiness and inherent emptiness to still the mind? What happens after you still the mind? What is it like? What do you see? Are there physical changes? Are there any changes to external objects? What? Sorry for being so persistent. -
ch'an expression: "outside do not attached to phenomena, inside do not move. "
the still mirror reflect the movement of everything, but itself is at peace.
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*sigh* looks like the only way is to find out for myself.