So why can't buddhists eat ginger, onion and garlic?
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Is it because they don't fill your stomach but only add taste?
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pepper also cannot?
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oh yeah pepper can so what I thought was wrong so whats the reason?
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A disciple of the Buddha should not eat the five pungent herbs -- garlic, chives, leeks, onions, and asafoetida. (44) This is so even if they are added as flavoring to other main dishes. (45) Hence, if he deliberately does so, he commits a secondary offense. - Brahma Net Sutra
Certain spiritual beings hate this stench. Another reason is, such 'pungent herbs' is known to cause passion and disturbs one's meditation. -
whats a asafoetida?Originally posted by An Eternal Now:A disciple of the Buddha should not eat the five pungent herbs -- garlic, chives, leeks, onions, and asafoetida. (44) This is so even if they are added as flavoring to other main dishes. (45) Hence, if he deliberately does so, he commits a secondary offense. - Brahma Net Sutra
Certain spiritual beings hate this stench. Another reason is, such 'pungent herbs' is known to cause passion and disturbs one's meditation. -
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AsafoetidaOriginally posted by R3SsH|n:whats a asafoetida?
dont think is common in singapore
anyway as for pungent herbs, just try to avoid eating although not always possible la.. in my opinion. And my dharma teacher told me before, should rinse one's mouth before entering a monastery. Sometimes spiritual beings may be there to listen to dharma. -
i read up sometime in those legends books from library couple of years back ago, i remember something abt the story of garlic.
a long time ago, when "time" existed, time seems to be alive at that time. there was this great demon king. there was some dispute or a great war, i cant rem, and the whole land was at war with the demon king .
someone or something or some metaphor slain the demon's head and thus conquer great evil and the universe was saved.
but the demon vapourised, remains are garlic.
well, remains of demon kings. shouldnt be any good if it help prevent any cancer or disease.
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In the Shurangama Sutra (Mahayana school), The Buddha explains how the "Five Pungent Spices", including garlic and onions, are forbidden:
Beings who seek samadhi should refrain from eating [the] five pungent plants of this world. If these five are eaten cooked, they increase one's sexual desire; if they are eaten raw, they increase one's anger. (2)
Furthermore, the gods "will stay far away from them because they smell bad, [and] hungry ghosts will hover around and kiss their lips". (2) Being around ghosts will hinder one's quest for enlightenment. These demons have the power to appear as false Buddhas and speak false Dharma. The Buddha further warns that in the Dharma-ending Age (the age in which we are now) there will be an abundance of false prophets, or ghosts and demons who will appear as Bodhissatvas. Those who are so far off the path might believe in or be possessed by ghosts or demons mascarading as enlightened masters. These demons might talk the misguided ones into consuming "excrement and urine, or meat and wine" and justify it.
1) Garlic
2) Onions
3) Shallots
4) Leeks
5) Asafoetida (hing)
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The Shurangama Sutra, Volume 7, Part One, discusses the process of overcoming the basic cause of random thoughts that fill the mind and eliminate attentiveness.
"...Beings who seek samadhi should refrain from eating five pungent plants of this world.
"If these five are eaten cooked, they increase one's sexual desire; if they are eaten raw, they increase one's anger.
[Note: The scriptures do not warn against all pungent plants, only those in the garlic/onion family. There is no advice against ginger, for example.]
If this simple, straightforward rationale fails to sway the samadhi-seeker the sutra, like many other religious texts, makes its point with no lack of imagery:
"Therefore, even if people in this world who eat pungent plants can expound the twelve divisions of the Sutra canon, the gods and immortals of the ten directions will stay far away from them because they smell so bad. However, after they eat these things the hungry ghosts will hover around and kiss their lips. Being always in the presence of ghosts, their blessings and virtue will dissolve as the days go by, and they will experience no lasting benefit.
"People who eat pungent plants and also cultivate samadhi will not be protected by the Bodhisattvas, gods, immortals, or good spirits of the ten directions; therefore, the tremendously powerful demon kings, able to do as they please, will appear in the body of a Buddha and speak Dharma for them, denouncing the precepts and praising lust, rage, and delusion.
"When their lives end, these people will join the retinue of demon kings. When they use up their blessings as demons, they will fall into the unintermittent hell.
"Ananda, those who cultivate for Bodhi should never eat the five pungent plants. [1]
So, to summarize, the scriptures warn that pungent plants are to be avoided because obstacles to the spiritual path increase when they are eaten.
well, the story i posted might be true. who knows..? just aviod eating the pungent plants -
A friend of mine told me that his friend (who is able to see spirits) used to witness a spirit kissing the person's mouth. That person has strong garlic stench. So I think it must be true.Originally posted by geforce:[and] hungry ghosts will hover around and kiss their lips" -
ginger, onion and garlic? spirits? What happened?
What happened to people who believe such things are folk practices believers? What just happened?
What happened to Emptiness? What happened to non attachments?
If you tell me that eating certain foods might disturb your concentration when you meditate, that makes sense. What just happened here? -
Both statement lies in the realm of personal experiences. And it is never wrong to note down personal experiences isnt it?Originally posted by casino_king:ginger, onion and garlic? spirits? What happened?
What happened to people who believe such things are folk practices believers? What just happened?
What happened to Emptiness? What happened to non attachments?
If you tell me that eating certain foods might disturb your concentration when you meditate, that makes sense. What just happened here?
Some people do see spirits and can see spirits or other spiritual beings, so they note down their experience. Some people do experience the passion that arise due to the eating of such spices, so again its their own personal experience. -
No one took away your emptiness and non attachment. Don't be such a paranoid.Originally posted by casino_king:ginger, onion and garlic? spirits? What happened?
What happened to people who believe such things are folk practices believers? What just happened?
What happened to Emptiness? What happened to non attachments?
If you tell me that eating certain foods might disturb your concentration when you meditate, that makes sense. What just happened here? -
I am not. What happened to Buddhism is scientific? What happened to differentiate between orthodox Buddhism and folk beliefs?
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Folks belief is totally different from Buddhism, because there is no scriptural basis for folk beliefs. Which means it was never taught by Buddha.Originally posted by casino_king:I am not. What happened to Buddhism is scientific? What happened to differentiate between orthodox Buddhism and folk beliefs? -
why the part in red sounds very familiar...Originally posted by geforce:Furthermore, the gods "will stay far away from them because they smell bad, [and] hungry ghosts will hover around and kiss their lips". (2) Being around ghosts will hinder one's quest for enlightenment. These demons have the power to appear as false Buddhas and speak false Dharma. The Buddha further warns that in the Dharma-ending Age (the age in which we are now) there will be an abundance of false prophets, or ghosts and demons who will appear as Bodhissatvas. Those who are so far off the path might believe in or be possessed by ghosts or demons mascarading as enlightened masters. These demons might talk the misguided ones into consuming "excrement and urine, or meat and wine" and justify it. -
There are just too much of them in everyday lifeOriginally posted by laoda99:why the part in red sounds very familiar...
I like onion very much so how?
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Did the Buddha uttered such things? I dun think so cos I heard from Dr K Sri Dhammanada talk before on this topic, he said the Buddha did not uttered cannot eat garlic and others.Originally posted by An Eternal Now:A disciple of the Buddha should not eat the five pungent herbs -- garlic, chives, leeks, onions, and asafoetida. (44) This is so even if they are added as flavoring to other main dishes. (45) Hence, if he deliberately does so, he commits a secondary offense. - Brahma Net Sutra
Certain spiritual beings hate this stench. Another reason is, such 'pungent herbs' is known to cause passion and disturbs one's meditation. -
Surangama Sutra
Vi Bodhisattva development into Buddhahood
-The Three Gradual Steps To Wipe Out Samsara
Translated by Lu Kuan Yu
Ananda, all beings live if they eat wholesome food and
die if they take poison. In their search for Samà dhi, they
should abstain from eating five kinds of pungent roots (i.e.
garlic, the three kinds of onions and leeks); if eaten cooked,
they are aphrodisiac and if raw, they cause irritability.
Although those who eat them may read the twelve divisions
of the Mahà yà na canon, they drive away seers (çùi) in the ten
directions who abhor the bad odour, and attract hungry
ghosts who lick their lips. They are always surrounded by
ghosts, and their good fortune will fade away day by day to
their own detriment. When these eaters of pungent roots
practise Samà dhi, none of the Bodhisattvas, seers and good
spirits come to protect them, while the mighty king of
demons takes advantage of the occasion to appear as a
Buddha as if to teach them the Dharma, defaming and
breaking the precepts and praising carnality, anger and stupidity;
at their death, they will join his retinue, and at the end
of their time in his realm, they will fall into the unintermittent
hell. ânanda, practisers of Samà dhi should never eat these
five pungent roots. This is the first step of gradual practice. -
Originally posted by grandeur:
Did the Buddha really uttered this?
[b]Surangama Sutra
Vi Bodhisattva development into Buddhahood
-The Three Gradual Steps To Wipe Out Samsara
Translated by Lu Kuan Yu
Ananda, all beings live if they eat wholesome food and
die if they take poison. In their search for Samà dhi, they
should abstain from eating five kinds of pungent roots (i.e.
garlic, the three kinds of onions and leeks); if eaten cooked,
they are aphrodisiac and if raw, they cause irritability.
Although those who eat them may read the twelve divisions
of the Mahà yà na canon, they drive away seers (çùi) in the ten
directions who abhor the bad odour, and attract hungry
ghosts who lick their lips. They are always surrounded by
ghosts, and their good fortune will fade away day by day to
their own detriment. When these eaters of pungent roots
practise Samà dhi, none of the Bodhisattvas, seers and good
spirits come to protect them, while the mighty king of
demons takes advantage of the occasion to appear as a
Buddha as if to teach them the Dharma, defaming and
breaking the precepts and praising carnality, anger and stupidity;
at their death, they will join his retinue, and at the end
of their time in his realm, they will fall into the unintermittent
hell. ânanda, practisers of Samà dhi should never eat these
five pungent roots. This is the first step of gradual practice.[/b]
If I remember correctly, Dr K Sri Dhammanda said Buddha did not uttered the above, abt eating garlic and other stuff. -
who is Dr K Sri Dhammanda in the first place?Originally posted by marcteng:Did the Buddha really uttered this?
If I remember correctly, Dr K Sri Dhammanda said Buddha did not uttered the above, abt eating garlic and other stuff. -
For what i know Buddhist can still eat pepper and ginger.Originally posted by laoda99:pepper also cannot? -
Originally posted by grandeur:
he's well known Ordain Veneable to followed the Theravada school. it's not surprise that they do not accept Mahayaha Sutras. it's aleady been an age old debate.
who is Dr K Sri Dhammanda in the first place?[/b]
http://www.sinc.sunysb.edu/Clubs/buddhism/dhammananda/main.htm
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But the issue is did the Buddha said cannot eat garlic?Originally posted by sinweiy:he's well known Ordain Veneable to followed the Theravada school. it's not surprise that they do not accept Mahayaha Sutras. it's aleady been an age old debate.
http://www.sinc.sunysb.edu/Clubs/buddhism/dhammananda/main.htm
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and why did the Theravada said Buddha didnt uttered and Mahayana said he did.
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he is the Chief Prelate of the Therevadan schools in Malaysia and Singapore.Originally posted by grandeur:who is Dr K Sri Dhammanda in the first place?
A very well-known and wonderful Buddhist monk.
In Malaysia, they call him 'The Chief' and is sort of a household name.
A pity that he has toned down a lot due to his health and age in recent years and hence, many have not heard of his name, espeically within 5 years or so.
he's one of the most prolific and respected teachers in Buddhism of our time -
First time I hear this.
Practically all vegetarian stuff I eat have some sort of ginger, onion or garlic just to add flavour. -
Originally posted by marcteng:
Shurangama sutra is from Mahayana sutra. from Mahayana's pov, Yes, Buddha did said.
But the issue is did the Buddha said cannot eat garlic?
and why did the Theravada said Buddha didnt uttered and Mahayana said he did.
so which is which?
there's difference in opinions n practice between Arahathood & Bodhisattvahood. and jus that Theravada do not like us calling them hinayana(smaller vehicle). so if one's mahayanist, one should watch what we say. there's a expression from Mahayanist saying, without learning hinayana first as a foundation, one's not Buddha's disciple.
here's Some history, First Council :
http://www.lioncity.net/buddhism/index.php?showtopic=11766&hl=First Council
or if search engine fyi:
Also known as 500 Council, Theravada Council", The First Compilation, etc. The assembly of 500 leading Bhikhus gathered for 3 months after the Buddha's death to compile the Buddhist sutras. It was held at Cave of the Seven Leaves near Rajagaha.
In the assembly, Ananda recited the Sutta-pitaka, Upali recited the Rules of Disciplines of the Order, i.e., Vinaya-pitaka, and Kassapa recited the Abhidhamma. Thus, the Tripitaka was adopted as a unity of doctrines and opinions within the religious order, and also an orthodox teaching for the Buddhists to follow.
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Mahasanghika and Sthavira are known as two earliest sects in Hinayana. Mahasanghika is said to be the basis of the development of the Mahayana Buddhism, while Sthavira of the Theravada Buddhism.
Mahasanghika
Literally means the Member of the Great Order, majority, community. During the First Council, when the Sthavira or elder disciples assembled in the cave after the Buddha's death, and the other disciples (called to be Mahasanghika) assembled outside the cave. Both compiled the Tripitaka. However, the former emphasized on the rules of disciplines in the monastic community, while the latter concerned the spread of the spirit of Buddhism in lay community. As sects, the principal division took place in the Second Council.
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Mahayana vs. Theravada
http://sg.search.yahoo.com/search?p=Theravada+Mahayana+&sm=All+the+Web&fr=FP-tab-web-t&toggle=1
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