"excuse me, are you a Bodhisattva?"
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There is still hope when we can recognise the darkness.Originally posted by simplified:hi longchen , paperflower
im in too.
its affinity..i guess.
maybe we even have 'been to the same place'.
have we?
may wisdom shines.
Actually, darkness is not really a good word.. it should be unconsciousness. -
why is there such thing as phobia?
Fear arise when to associate with self. A thought is still a thought but when we associate the thought with a self and believe that the scenario we imagine to be are real, we usually fear? fear is irrational.
Actually i think fear also stems from ignorance. -
Let us explore further, visualize a little. There is this presence of a mental state, morning slowly evolved to afternoon to evening, but does fear arise? Then comes deep night, a sudden coldnessÂ…the presence of certain conditions, the heart beats fasterÂ….a mere process of evolvingÂ…can this take place without thought, before the formation of perception? -
Wah... Thusness...Originally posted by Thusness:
Let us explore further, visualize a little. There is this presence of a mental state, morning slowly evolved to afternoon to evening, but does fear arise? Then comes deep night, a sudden coldnessÂ…the presence of certain conditions, the heart beats fasterÂ….a mere process of evolvingÂ…can this take place without thought, before the formation of perception?
Very cheem leh...
Wait for answers... heh. -
let me try this ok?
we visualise, we see things that goes into our mind that perceive.
mental state is thought - thinking.
morning evolves to afternoon then evolves to evening and to deep night. this process is the nature of things are. but as we start to note this process, our mind start to think and get attached to this process.
all the while, fear didn't arise. untill, the mind take notice of the sudden coldness, presence of certain conditions, heart beats faster. these are also as part of the nature of how things work. but again the mind starts to cling to these then thoughts are produced and so perceptions are formed.
before the perception is formed, the process of evolving can take place without thought.
but the question is, the sudden coldness is caused by wind? presence of condition in what sense? because it is deep night, the natural phenomenon where sometimes the air can be quite thick? the heart beat is because of nervousness?
hhhmm....
again i noticed that the perception can be formed during the process of evolving without thinking.
isn't thoughts the maker of all perceptions?
thusness, this excercise is chim.....!
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I am unable to express it in clarity..
Just want you to experience causes and conditions not from a conceptual point of view but from a sustained state of Presence. In that concentrated mode, there is no division drawn to separate ‘inner’ and ‘outer’. Sensing karmic pattern requires you to sense the process as a whole. Do not miss out the conditions. That whole activity flow is the Presence itself and only that Presence knows. -
Hi paperflower,Originally posted by paperflower:let me try this ok?
we visualise, we see things that goes into our mind that perceive.
mental state is thought - thinking.
morning evolves to afternoon then evolves to evening and to deep night. this process is the nature of things are. but as we start to note this process, our mind start to think and get attached to this process.
all the while, fear didn't arise. untill, the mind take notice of the sudden coldness, presence of certain conditions, heart beats faster. these are also as part of the nature of how things work. but again the mind starts to cling to these then thoughts are produced and so perceptions are formed.
before the perception is formed, the process of evolving can take place without thought.
but the question is, the sudden coldness is caused by wind? presence of condition in what sense? because it is deep night, the natural phenomenon where sometimes the air can be quite thick? the heart beat is because of nervousness?
I am seeing it more from the standpoint of a process before imposing the entire activity with a layer of symbols. This is similar to noticing the in and out of our breath in a raw and undefined mode. The intensity of the sensing can arise a form of knowingness without thought. This is possible. -
erm Let me try..Originally posted by Thusness:
Let us explore further, visualize a little. There is this presence of a mental state, morning slowly evolved to afternoon to evening, but does fear arise? Then comes deep night, a sudden coldnessÂ…the presence of certain conditions, the heart beats fasterÂ….a mere process of evolvingÂ…can this take place without thought, before the formation of perception?
no thought are needed and there was no formation of perception... ?
The process of increase of heart-beating is due to condition exists ? -
i see, that was something profound to study more about.
(correction to put it this way) this was something profound to feel and experience.
your "breath in and out concept" gave me some clues.
thanks for your sharing and guidance, thusness. -
Yes, formation of perception is not immediate.Originally posted by Isis:erm Let me try..
no thought are needed and there was no formation of perception... ?
The process of increase of heart-beating is due to condition exists ? -
so to speak, fear can arise both either before or after the arisen of thought?Originally posted by Thusness:Now, is this fear before or after the arisen of thought? -
Hi Paperflower,Originally posted by paperflower:so to speak, fear can arise both either before or after the arisen of thought?
‘Fear’ is just like ‘Self’, is a process being molded into a label. What hides behind this label is a vivid process of involvement, interplay between the causes, conditions giving rise to all appearances. The activity is alive and vivid. The flow of blood, the pulsating of the heart beats, the humming of the aircon, the cold air touches the skin, awareness is all these. It is a mere knowingness without effort to recognize anything, it is one whole sensing. All true knowledge must evolve from the mere Presence. -
Hi LongChen,
Presence has no ‘self’. It arises as that arises and no instant it remains identical. The pristine awareness is ungraspable; but the Blessed One out of infinite compassion taught the art of ‘seeing’ it wherever and whenever it arises through the profound teaching of emptiness.
For example, eyes cannot see themselves."
Presence cannot see itself. Total non-duality does not know itself. -
I see. Thanks Thusness.Originally posted by Thusness:Hi LongChen,
Presence has no ‘self’. It arises as that arises and no instant it remains identical. The pristine awareness is ungraspable; but the Blessed One out of infinite compassion taught the art of ‘seeing’ it wherever and whenever it arises through the profound teaching of emptiness.
I will like to describe the karmic pattern sensing that I use and can you comment on it. Thanks.
There is actually no effort to actively seek the pattern recognition. The process is spontaneous as if the feeling suddenly know itself. With that intuitive knowing, the mind can at time momentarily still. This is as if thought acknowledge itself. At that moment, it loses its power of symbolism and meaning. Usually after this, the mind is calm and have very little content...After a while, breathe arises and awareness of it follows.
Actually, I do not allocate session saying that I want to do karmic pattern sensing now. This kind of activity can happen at any time of the day.
Thanks again -
Hi LongChen,Originally posted by longchen:I see. Thanks Thusness.
I will like to describe the karmic pattern sensing that I use and can you comment on it. Thanks.
There is actually no effort to actively seek the pattern recognition. The process is spontaneous as if the feeling suddenly know itself. With that intuitive knowing, the mind can at time momentarily still. This is as if thought acknowledge itself. At that moment, it loses its power of symbolism and meaning. Usually after this, the mind is calm and have very little content...After a while, breathe arises and awareness of it follows.
Actually, I do not allocate session saying that I want to do karmic pattern sensing now. This kind of activity can happen at any time of the day.
Thanks again
Yes what you described is right. Without symbols and labels, the 'self' has no place to rest. The experience loosen the karmic propensities that bond, you will experience the sudden breaking loose if the 'self' dissolved.
Also, in the intuitive mode, it will not be right to treat the message to be conveyed as a single bit of information. It contains all information that are yet to be manifested. That single bit may contain our entire past histories. It is the intensity and concentrated penetration of that mode that makes the difference. The “AMness” experience when intensified might lead us to another path without knowing our ultimate emptiness nature. It is most crucial to study thoroughly what the Buddha taught about the doctrine of no-self and Emptiness even if the teachings challenge the most profound transcendental experiences we have. We may continue our path but at least let the teachings imprint deep into our consciousness. It is truly rare, do not waste the opportunity. -
Hi Thusness,Originally posted by Thusness:Hi LongChen,
Yes what you described is right. Without symbols and labels, the 'self' has no place to rest. The experience loosen the karmic propensities that bond, you will experience the sudden breaking loose if the 'self' dissolved.
Also, in the intuitive mode, it will not be right to treat the message to be conveyed as a single bit of information. It contains all information that are yet to be manifested. That single bit may contain our entire past histories. It is the intensity and concentrated penetration of that mode that makes the difference. The “AMness” experience when intensified might lead us to another path without knowing our ultimate emptiness nature. It is most crucial to study thoroughly what the Buddha taught about the doctrine of no-self and Emptiness even if the teachings challenge the most profound transcendental experiences we have. We may continue our path but at least let the teachings imprint deep into our consciousness. It is truly rare, do not waste the opportunity.
Thanks for the invaluable advise.
You are right. Even in the intuitive mode, there is still this tendency to treat information as singular bits and pieces. Intuitively, the sensing relays that there is only 'touching of the surface' with no 'sustained entry'. Intuitively, there is the knowing that entry much be deeper.
Thanks again, i will remember these words.
regards
longchen -
i can recognise darkness 'now', so i use d word 'darkness'.Originally posted by longchen:There is still hope when we can recognise the darkness.
Actually, darkness is not really a good word.. it should be unconsciousness.
'unconscious' never cum to my mind now.
haa..u understand?
feel free to correct mi if teres a better term(technical term) over my own words to give a clear picture. im more than willin.
To chenlong , flowerpaper
1 more question, juz for personal interest(irrelevant to topic):
do away teachin
wat do u see ur psyhcic ability as ?
a gift bestowed?
or sumtin u pay wif a price? -
Cough.. cough.. I am not very psychic. There are others much much more psychic than me. For example, my qi-gong teacher, he can sense which part of a person's body has blockage just by pure sensing. And there are others on my forum who can sense and read anybody anywhere.Originally posted by simplified:i can recognise darkness 'now', so i use d word 'darkness'.
'unconscious' never cum to my mind now.
haa..u understand?
feel free to correct mi if teres a better term(technical term) over my own words to give a clear picture. im more than willin.
To chenlong , flowerpaper
1 more question, juz for personal interest(irrelevant to topic):
do away teachin
wat do u see ur psyhcic ability as ?
a gift bestowed?
or sumtin u pay wif a price?
To me, everyone is psychic. It is just that they are not aware of. So i don't think it is anything special... Just the method of knowing how to do it and the training.
Prolong meditation will make one more psychic and sensitive. I have been meditating for more than 15 years... so considering the length of time i have meditated... my psychic sensitivity is peanut
I only discover that i have some psychic sense is when i am think hard about some spiritual matters... i will recieve symbols/images that explain these questions that i have. That was how i basically move along my path several years ago. Not long after that, I encountered a very Realised Teacher who taught me a method of deciphering these symbols and that is integrated with subconscious karmic pattern clearing.
So... i can say i am just lucky and grateful to all the teachers/friends who taught me. -
(do away teachin)Originally posted by longchen:Cough.. cough.. I am not very psychic. There are others much much more psychic than me. For example, my qi-gong teacher, he can sense which part of a person's body has blockage just by pure sensing. And there are others on my forum who can sense and read anybody anywhere.
To me, everyone is psychic. It is just that they are not aware of. So i don't think it is anything special... Just the method of knowing how to do it and the training.
Prolong meditation will make one more psychic and sensitive. I have been meditating for more than 15 years... so considering the length of time i have meditated... my psychic sensitivity is peanut
I only discover that i have some psychic sense is when i am think hard about some spiritual matters... i will recieve symbols/images that explain these questions that i have. That was how i basically move along my path several years ago. Not long after that, I encountered a very Realised Teacher who taught me a method of deciphering these symbols and that is integrated with subconscious karmic pattern clearing.
So... i can say i am just lucky and grateful to all the teachers/friends who taught me.
yes, its an innate ability.
everyone possessed it.
but its takes 'sumtin' to trigger tat 'peanut' underlyin.
everyone has the key to the lock.
but how many noe how to place tat key in?
an universal key tat can unlock to rch out to every beings.
i have 2 lines:
a receptive mind of his makes him lose a mind of its own
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nutting beats the loneliness tat momentarily sets in
for it tagged with a price.
does the above two line apply to u?
would u like to share wat other experiences u have? -
great info.Originally posted by An Eternal Now:
very helpful eternal.thanks. -
Hi Simplified,Originally posted by simplified:(do away teachin)
yes, its an innate ability.
everyone possessed it.
but its takes 'sumtin' to trigger tat 'peanut' underlyin.
everyone has the key to the lock.
but how many noe how to place tat key in?
an universal key tat can unlock to rch out to every beings.
i have 2 lines:
a receptive mind of his makes him lose a mind of its own
&
nutting beats the loneliness tat momentarily sets in
for it tagged with a price.
does the above two line apply to u?
would u like to share wat other experiences u have?
The 2 lines does not apply to me. By nature, I am a loner... but not lonely. Being alone gets me peace... i don't like to talk much.
Are you a channeler?
About experiences... The following is one of my first expereince of mystical dream...
In the dream, I was on an unpaved track that is in some wooded area at dawn.
Two monks approached me... a skinny one, and a slightly plumber guy with very short hair. Intuitively, I sensed that the plumber guy probably has some 'special psychic powers'. I asked him whether he had psychic powers'. Indeed he confirmed by saying 'Yes'.
The skinner guy then handed me a hard-covered book. I opened the book and started flipping through the pages. The book contains a lot of paintings that are drawn in the style of Van Gogh, which I think, looked quite cool. In one of the pages, there was a painting of the scene that we are in now. That is, several guys on the track, in the woods. Below the painting are some words. It says
'Certain events happening in the 3rd Dimension have 'synchronisations' or 'related associations' in any one of the upper dimensions.'
Then I scroll down the page again. There is another painting Van Gogh style also. It showed the same scenario but from a bigger bird-eye view. In the above account, certain higher dimensional perspectives and an overview of the dynamics behind spiritual and non-physical phenomenon have been clearly communicated to me.
However, this is not the end of the episode. One afternoon, 2 weeks after the lucid dream, through a series of events, I physically arrived at the spot where I met the 2 guys in the dream. It is during my reservist in-camp training. It was a track in Lim Chu Kang... I was doing 'topo.'
I had fear of death and suffering of war. And reservist training brings out my past life fears. However, at that moment, when i recognise that this was the place i went to in the dream... a transmission comes into me saying...
"look, you have died before... but look at yourself NOW!".
I realise that i am still alive and my fear of death was a waste of time. This was my first war-trauma healing.
I forget to add... I later found out that the book was my book-of-life or akashic record. It contains my entire history. -
Interesting
Thanks for sharing.. -
I would like to said there isnt any book-of-life or akashic record stated in all the Mahayana Sutra , anyway thanks for sharingOriginally posted by longchen:Hi Simplified,
The 2 lines does not apply to me. By nature, I am a loner... but not lonely. Being alone gets me peace... i don't like to talk much.
Are you a channeler?
About experiences... The following is one of my first expereince of mystical dream...
In the dream, I was on an unpaved track that is in some wooded area at dawn.
Two monks approached me... a skinny one, and a slightly plumber guy with very short hair. Intuitively, I sensed that the plumber guy probably has some 'special psychic powers'. I asked him whether he had psychic powers'. Indeed he confirmed by saying 'Yes'.
The skinner guy then handed me a hard-covered book. I opened the book and started flipping through the pages. The book contains a lot of paintings that are drawn in the style of Van Gogh, which I think, looked quite cool. In one of the pages, there was a painting of the scene that we are in now. That is, several guys on the track, in the woods. Below the painting are some words. It says
'Certain events happening in the 3rd Dimension have 'synchronisations' or 'related associations' in any one of the upper dimensions.'
Then I scroll down the page again. There is another painting Van Gogh style also. It showed the same scenario but from a bigger bird-eye view. In the above account, certain higher dimensional perspectives and an overview of the dynamics behind spiritual and non-physical phenomenon have been clearly communicated to me.
However, this is not the end of the episode. One afternoon, 2 weeks after the lucid dream, through a series of events, I physically arrived at the spot where I met the 2 guys in the dream. It is during my reservist in-camp training. It was a track in Lim Chu Kang... I was doing 'topo.'
I had fear of death and suffering of war. And reservist training brings out my past life fears. However, at that moment, when i recognise that this was the place i went to in the dream... a transmission comes into me saying...
"look, you have died before... but look at yourself NOW!".
I realise that i am still alive and my fear of death was a waste of time. This was my first war-trauma healing.
I forget to add... I later found out that the book was my book-of-life or akashic record. It contains my entire history.
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Book-of-life is symbolic.Originally posted by bohiruci:I would like to said there isnt any book-of-life or akashic record stated in all the Mahayana Sutra , anyway thanks for sharing
Dream is symbolic. The physical existence (that appears to be solid) is also symbolic. All states of consciousness/realms are manifestations of different types of symbolism. All the various beings in various dimensions are also symbolic. Nothing is what it appears to be.