Is God A Thing?
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crapbox.......?Originally posted by laurence82:you mean a crapbox?
well, yes and no for me
yes because its relaxing and everyone can crap together
no because its really crappy
yeah.
but "crapbox" sounds typical.
hope the crapbox doesn't move people away from the main theme in the long run.
crappy yeah agree can be really crappy.....
but u know sometimes when people go out of topic in a thread, a crapbox serves a good place to add in the miscelleneous.
change name, not "crapbox". -
Ok. lets discuss in MSN..Originally posted by paperflower:hahaa i knew you will say that.
give me something new please
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well, crapbox is usually a term we use in sgforums to mean chatboxOriginally posted by paperflower:crapbox.......?
yeah.
but "crapbox" sounds typical.
hope the crapbox doesn't move people away from the main theme in the long run.
crappy yeah agree can be really crappy.....
but u know sometimes when people go out of topic in a thread, a crapbox serves a good place to add in the miscelleneous.
change name, not "crapbox".
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Ya agree 'crapbox' shldnt be the titleOriginally posted by paperflower:crapbox.......?
yeah.
but "crapbox" sounds typical.
hope the crapbox doesn't move people away from the main theme in the long run.
crappy yeah agree can be really crappy.....
but u know sometimes when people go out of topic in a thread, a crapbox serves a good place to add in the miscelleneous.
change name, not "crapbox". -
need some originality mah..Originally posted by laurence82:well, crapbox is usually a term we use in sgforums to mean chatbox
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okieOriginally posted by An Eternal Now:Ok. lets discuss in MSN.. -
ok lar
bonding session?
icebreakers?
nice to meet you?
cheerios? -
hahaaaOriginally posted by laurence82:ok lar
bonding session?
icebreakers?
nice to meet you?
cheerios?
so formal suddenly -
Originally posted by casino_king:
Already replied you before you ask:
[b]how about 4th? Looks like Buddhists cannot answer this.
Correct, not enough. I am not in existence is also not enough. Who is Buddha? The Buddha who is passed away from earth? Also not in existence?[/b]Originally posted by Thusness:
What is Buddha? Buddha is known as Thus Come One. What is Thus Come One? Let's see... in Chinese Thus Come means Ru2 Lai2... Ru Lai Fo Zhu im sure u heard before..
This is an interesting topic and since it is allowed to discuss more about God in a Buddhism forum, I would like to talk a little more about the experience of 'AMness" in all things.
Like a river flowing into the ocean, the self dissolves into nothingness. When a practitioner becomes thoroughly clear about the illusionary nature of the individuality, subject-object division does not take place. A person experiencing “AMness” will find “AMness in everything”. What is it like?
Being free individuality -- coming and going, life and death, all phenomenon merely pop in and out from the background of the AMness. The AMness is not experienced as an ‘entity’ residing anywhere, neither within nor without; rather it is experienced as the ground reality for all phenomenon to take place. Even the moment of subsiding (death), the yogi is thoroughly authenticated with that reality; experiencing the ‘Real’ as clear as it can be. We cannot lose that AMness; rather all things can only dissolve and re-emerges from it. The AMness has not moved, there is no coming and going. This "AMness" is “God”.
What is the profound meaning of thus Thus Come?
Thus come is not come, Thus gone is not gone,
Thus unmoving, No coming no going,
Such is 'Thus come thus gone'.
The GROUND REALITY neither comes nor goes, neither arises nor cease, neither increasing nor decreasing etc etc...
Heart sutra:
"Sariputra, the Characteristics of the
Voidness of All Dharmas
Are Non-Arising, Non-Ceasing, Non-Defiled,
Non-Pure, Non-Increasing, Non-Decreasing."
Understand?
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errmm.... longchen,
think your thread becoming a trial for a "crapbox"..... wonder how many pages it can go on till.....
the night is still long.
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Originally posted by paperflower:errmm.... longchen,
think your thread becoming a trial for a "crapbox"..... wonder how many pages it can go on till.....
the night is still long. but cant keep u all company for long liao.. -
mdm... err.... morning liao... good morning everyone...Originally posted by paperflower:errmm.... longchen,
think your thread becoming a trial for a "crapbox"..... wonder how many pages it can go on till.....
the night is still long. 
alot of people still sleeping, cannot laugh too loud -
Ok crapbox trial endedOriginally posted by vince69:mdm... err.... morning liao... good morning everyone...
alot of people still sleeping, cannot laugh too loud
~•*BWB Metta Lounge*•~ -
wah...
wake up in the morning... the thread has become so long
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Please don't evade the question. If nobody is in existence and as Betrand Rusell said, an eternal soul that lasts for eternity is no langer tenable now that we know that objects are made up of undistinguishable atoms.... then when our bodies are "finished" we all go back into a common pool.Originally posted by An Eternal Now:What is Buddha? Buddha is known as Thus Come One. What is Thus Come One? Let's see... in Chinese Thus Come means Ru2 Lai2... Ru Lai Fo Zhu im sure u heard before..
What is the profound meaning of thus Thus Come?
Thus come is not come, Thus gone is not gone,
Thus unmoving, No coming no going,
Such is 'Thus come thus gone'.
The GROUND REALITY neither comes nor goes, neither arises nor cease, neither increasing nor decreasing etc etc...
Heart sutra:
"Sariputra, the Characteristics of the
Voidness of All Dharmas
Are Non-Arising, Non-Ceasing, Non-Defiled,
Non-Pure, Non-Increasing, Non-Decreasing."
Understand?
So if we all go back into a common pool, then who is Buddha after he passed away from earth? Since there is no individuality; "I am not in existence" (for Betrand Rusell it is easy because to him life ends on earth with death; ) for Buddhist? Are you willing to say that? -
Existence and non-existence can only 'exist' relatively, that is to say, it is not the ultimate reality. It can only exist when one experiences individuality of himself/or things.Originally posted by casino_king:Please don't evade the question. If nobody is in existence and as Betrand Rusell said, an eternal soul that lasts for eternity is no langer tenable now that we know that objects are made up of undistinguishable atoms.... then when our bodies are "finished" we all go back into a common pool.
So if we all go back into a common pool, then who is Buddha after he passed away from earth? Since there is no individuality; "I am not in existence" (for Betrand Rusell it is easy because to him life ends on earth with death; ) for Buddhist? Are you willing to say that?
The experience of Amness is like what Thusness said, Like a river flowing into the ocean, the self dissolves into nothingness. Nothingness is not like annihilation. Picture this: I drop one drop of water into the cup of water. Does that mean the water has become annihilated? Not quite.. but it has become the Whole. All-pervading Presence.
Being of free individuality -- coming and going, life and death, all phenomenon merely pop in and out from the background of the AMness.
Since there is no individuality, therefore there is also no coming and going, there is no life and death. -
i'd been wondering, have u been reading someone's stuff lately. Any name of the author? as suddenly like changed.Originally posted by casino_king:Please don't evade the question. If nobody is in existence and as Betrand Rusell said, an eternal soul that lasts for eternity is no langer tenable now that we know that objects are made up of undistinguishable atoms.... then when our bodies are "finished" we all go back into a common pool.
So if we all go back into a common pool, then who is Buddha after he passed away from earth? Since there is no individuality; "I am not in existence" (for Betrand Rusell it is easy because to him life ends on earth with death; ) for Buddhist? Are you willing to say that?
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When in a quiet place where there is no disturbance, when all senses come to rest. Settle the mind and let it be utterly quiet. The mind enters into a thoughtless state, tranquil, pre-symbolic, touching itself as itself; experienced without any intermediary, the pure sense of existence, the only Real. Since it is pre-symbolic, painfully I named it “IT”.Originally posted by An Eternal Now:Existence and non-existence can only 'exist' relatively, that is to say, it is not the ultimate reality. It can only exist when one experiences individuality of himself/or things.
The experience of Amness is like what Thusness said, Like a river flowing into the ocean, the self dissolves into nothingness. Nothingness is not like annihilation. Picture this: I drop one drop of water into the cup of water. Does that mean the water has become annihilated? Not quite.. but it has become the Whole. All-pervading Presence.
Being of free individuality -- coming and going, life and death, all phenomenon merely pop in and out from the background of the AMness.
Since there is no individuality, therefore there is also no coming and going, there is no life and death.
When the mind is in activity, where is that IT? Only in analysis by subtlely relating it back to that experience of “I AM”, extrapolating IT to the rest of all things, it is found. Sometimes in a flash of illumination, it is understood and experienced, but most of the time it is the mere product of memories. There is still this need of falling back to the silencing of the mind to experience the Presence. Seems there but in actuality it is lost in activities. Here the Reality is experienced, but still not experienced as a background for phenomenon to pop in and out.
Can the same experience take place in activity?
Listen! Be there. Be the process, be pre-symbolic, the flow, the SOUNDÂ…no listener ...the immense presence. IT is still IT but utterly different. What is its nature?
Look! Be there, no seer, the SCENERY, all, the presence, all the details that is, still IT but completely different, what is its nature?
Extend it to the rest of all the six senses and completely dissolvedÂ…the nature is empty. -
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I see.. thanks for sharing!Originally posted by Thusness:When in a quiet place where there is no disturbance, when all senses come to rest. Settle the mind and let it be utterly quiet. The mind enters into a thoughtless state, tranquil, pre-symbolic, touching itself as itself; experienced without any intermediary, the pure sense of existence, the only Real. Since it is pre-symbolic, painfully I named it “IT”.
When the mind is in activity, where is that IT? Only in analysis by subtlely relating it back to that experience of “I AM”, extrapolating IT to the rest of all things, it is found. Sometimes in a flash of illumination, it is understood and experienced, but most of the time it is the mere product of memories. There is still this need of falling back to the silencing of the mind to experience the Presence. Seems there but in actuality it is lost in activities. Here the Reality is experienced, but still not experienced as a background for phenomenon to pop in and out.
Can the same experience take place in activity?
Listen! Be there. Be the process, be pre-symbolic, the flow, the SOUNDÂ…no listener ...the immense presence. IT is still IT but utterly different. What is its nature?
Look! Be there, no seer, the SCENERY, all, the presence, all the details that is, still IT but completely different, what is its nature?
Extend it to the rest of all the six senses and completely dissolvedÂ…the nature is empty.
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What are you trying to say? That all those people buried in the cemetary are not dead?Originally posted by An Eternal Now:Existence and non-existence can only 'exist' relatively, that is to say, it is not the ultimate reality. It can only exist when one experiences individuality of himself/or things.
The experience of Amness is like what Thusness said, Like a river flowing into the ocean, the self dissolves into nothingness. Nothingness is not like annihilation. Picture this: I drop one drop of water into the cup of water. Does that mean the water has become annihilated? Not quite.. but it has become the Whole. All-pervading Presence.
Being of free individuality -- coming and going, life and death, all phenomenon merely pop in and out from the background of the AMness.
Since there is no individuality, therefore there is also no coming and going, there is no life and death.
But this is good for you. You are trying not to cut and paste. So don't be discouraged if I ask you difficult questions. The more difficult the questions the faster you will progress. -
I have been reading my own stuff!Originally posted by sinweiy:i'd been wondering, have u been reading someone's stuff lately. Any name of the author? as suddenly like changed.
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No lah everything I write; 100% my own words unless I say I am quoting.
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Enlightened people refuse to believe in life and death. They are not identified with their body as their 'self'. They are not identified with form so the death of their body means nothing to them.Originally posted by casino_king:What are you trying to say? That all those people buried in the cemetary are not dead?
But this is good for you. You are trying not to cut and paste. So don't be discouraged if I ask you difficult questions. The more difficult the questions the faster you will progress. -
I am not in existence is not the answer. Because obvously you are in existence while still alive. So we can say I am not in existence because we are only in existence while we are alive.Originally posted by An Eternal Now:Enlightened people refuse to believe in life and death. They are not identified with their body as their 'self'. They are not identified with form so the death of their body means nothing to them.
If you say nobody is in existence after death which is what Betrand Rusell is saying, then you have to say that Buddha is not in existence after death.
If you say, after death you are still in existence, then why say you are not in existence?
So obviously I am not in existence is not the answer.
I think you better read my earlier posts with Thusness before you continue.