"Moral values are on the decline." Do you agree?
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I'm writing an essay now on that subject. Everyone Discuss!
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What is morality ? Whose teachings ?
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How about this? Something everyone shld be able to agree upon?Originally posted by NotFromVenus:What is morality ? Whose teachings ? 
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Thats Fantasy .Originally posted by An Eternal Now:How about this? Something everyone shld be able to agree upon?
But in any scenario , morality cannot be always agreed upon.
It's usually forced upon by the community to create a standard of behaviour.
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Originally posted by NotFromVenus:
What is fantasy, and how come?
Thats Fantasy .But in any scenario , morality cannot be always agreed upon.
One needs wisdom to see the effect and whether it harms one and others before committing cause. In this way I believe one's actions will be morally upright.
It's usually forced upon by the community to create a standard of behaviour. -
okz lah help you lah. first must define whats morality lor.
what moral values
then just argue about how to define deline or impprovement. liek that can do for dunno how many pages le no need to actually discuss about whether realyl decline or not -
I see.. thanks!Originally posted by hisoka:okz lah help you lah. first must define whats morality lor.
what moral values
then just argue about how to define deline or impprovement. liek that can do for dunno how many pages le no need to actually discuss about whether realyl decline or not -
Fantasy is because not everybody can come across the text books you have read to understand the way you think.Originally posted by An Eternal Now:One needs wisdom to see the effect and whether it harms one and others before committing cause. In this way I believe one's actions will be morally upright.
Harmlessness is taught to people in peace to prevent wars. They are taught so that peasants lay down their swords and pick up their shovels.
Yet wars are brought upon by many Leaders to benefit their own greatness and to assume righteousness. -
This topic is SO FUNNY!!
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I did not define fantasy to a particular textbook. If you have read what I posted, you will see that it is very very general. It can be accepted by anyone and everyone because my definition of morality is simply "not to harm oneself and others".Originally posted by NotFromVenus:Fantasy is because not everybody can come across the text books you have read to understand the way you think.
Harmlessness is taught to people in peace to prevent wars. They are taught so that peasants lay down their swords and pick up their shovels.
Yet wars are brought upon by many Leaders to benefit their own greatness and to assume righteousness.
All other definitions of morality is an extention to this basic principal...
Leaders who bring war to assume greatness isn't really 'moral' isnt it.. because it benefits only himself and not the others. What is done should be done out of concern for both himself and others at large. -
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Originally posted by An Eternal Now:
So it is acceptable at large to assume wars so that it benefits the concern of both himself and others at large ?
I did not define fantasy to a particular textbook. If you have read what I posted, you will see that it is very very general. It can be accepted by anyone and everyone because my definition of morality is simply "not to harm oneself and others". All other definitions of morality is an extention to this basic principal...
Leaders who bring war to assume greatness isn't really 'moral' isnt it.. because it benefits only himself and not the others. What is done should be done out of concern for both himself [b]and others at large.[/b]
Such is morality ? Or beneficial to many at large is morality?
Assuming righteousness is Morality?
Or sit there not doing any thing to feed yourownself is Morality? (Expecting to be fed by somebody else who does the cooking) -
Actually before we even discuss morals, most people could even agree on how morals come about.
Are morals really a behaviour or rules that are being forced upon by a community or majority?
Or are morals in everyone's hearts...we all know what is right and what is wrong but just that we choose not to see it sometimes? -
it is on a decline. always been. one look around you will tell. doesnt take a genius to figure.
its a trend, we give in more and more to our desires and material needs in the name of of your so called 'progress' -
SG, being a capitalist country, considers paper qualifications as of utmost importance. more emphasis placed on academia rather than moral education. plus with susbstantial influence from the western continent of the world, and the mass media, people would definitely get more liberal and want more freedom etc.
i personally think these are important points to ponder on. -
Killstyle has his point.
Without even discussing who or what is right and wrong, we have to wonder why is there a difference in acceptable moral standards between now and say 50 or 100 years ago? Does acceptable standards = moral standards? -
agreed... i dont recall having a moral education lesson for years... the teachers always spend the time teaching other subjectsOriginally posted by LizV:SG, being a capitalist country, considers paper qualifications as of utmost importance. more emphasis placed on academia rather than moral education. plus with susbstantial influence from the western continent of the world, and the mass media, people would definitely get more liberal and want more freedom etc.
i personally think these are important points to ponder on. -
I think it's suppose to be like... Some sort of 'rules' or guidelines or something which separates the 'humans' from the 'beast'...?Originally posted by gasband:Actually before we even discuss morals, most people could even agree on how morals come about.
Are morals really a behaviour or rules that are being forced upon by a community or majority?
Or are morals in everyone's hearts...we all know what is right and what is wrong but just that we choose not to see it sometimes?
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evil deeds that has once been forbidden in our fathers fathers time are fast becoming social norms.
what has once been evil are now good. and what has once been good are considered evil.
it is the heydey of humanity indeed.
so long as the line between right and wrong are blurred and manipulated by merchanilte and goverments using the mass mediawith agendas for selfish gains and profits there cannot be true liberation for humanity.
if you study history carefully enough. the rise of the merchant class in major parts of the world are the source of evil we are facing now. -
yeah precisely, all these guidelines are borne in us? or we are being taught all these at a later stage of our lives? Are morals already in us but what happen to us later in our lives clouds our actions and judgements?Originally posted by Devil1976:I think it's suppose to be like... Some sort of 'rules' or guidelines or something which separates the 'humans' from the 'beast'...?
Are we able to differentiate morals against experiences and opinions? -
Yes , a troop of creatures eating bananas with Fork and Spoons cannot be considered civilized .Originally posted by Devil1976:I think it's suppose to be like... Some sort of 'rules' or guidelines or something which separates the 'humans' from the 'beast'...?
- They are still Monkeys trying to imitate Humans on the dining table.
Simply said that it doesn't mean that you stop hurting other creatures , makes you more civilized than others. -
consumerism is evil period/ it always has been
u take a look at africa. and you take a look at yourself. and you wonder, why such a gap.
and thats becos you are a product of consumerism. they are the rejects....of consumerism -
For me yes if it benefits the majority then lets have war.Originally posted by NotFromVenus:So it is acceptable at large to assume wars so that it benefits the concern of both himself and others at large ?
Such is morality ? Or beneficial to many at large is morality?
Assuming righteousness is Morality?
Or sit there not doing any thing to feed yourownself is Morality? (Expecting to be fed by somebody else who does the cooking)
(although in Buddhism, karmically, you will still receive both the good and the bad cause/effect as a result)
Or sit there not doing any thing to feed yourownself is Morality? (Expecting to be fed by somebody else who does the cooking)
Not really moral since not it causes others convinience and hardship. -
For me the basis of these guidelines comes from Awareness and Wisdom... of the cause and effects of doing.Originally posted by gasband:yeah precisely, all these guidelines are borne in us? or we are being taught all these at a later stage of our lives? Are morals already in us but what happen to us later in our lives clouds our actions and judgements?
Are we able to differentiate morals against experiences and opinions?
When we are born... we are still pure but we are also ignorant and lack the wisdom. Both defilement and wisdom grows later in life but it will grow much faster if we get rid of the defilements. -
In India , for thousands of years , leaders thought they wage wars to benefit "Majority".Originally posted by An Eternal Now:For me yes if it benefits the majority then lets have war.
(although in Buddhism, karmically, you will still receive both the good and the bad cause/effect as a result)
Or sit there not doing any thing to feed yourownself is Morality? (Expecting to be fed by somebody else who does the cooking)
Not really moral since not it causes others convinience and hardship.
All of them(Maharajas) assumed righteousness and morality?
You traded Bad Karma for this sense of Morality?
Then there isn't any morality to what was mentioned earlier " Not to bring harm upon others and to self."