NargarjunaÂ’s Sixty Verses of Arguments (spinoff)
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Absolutely. You have just put in your own words what the rest are trying to tell you.
Originally posted by casino_king:
What we are all doing here is very simple. It is no point teaching anybody anything. Everybody realises it for themselves.
Those who have gone a bit further help those a little behind by asking the correct questions. These questions are meaningless to people who have no idea what is going on. That is the way it should be.
The one asking the question cannot claim any credit because the one who realises it for himself did the realisation for himself.
What you are doing now is trying to tell people what you know. That is very pointless. Even if people know exactly what you are trying to say, they might not have realised that which you are trying to say.
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So you see, the one who is blind was not me all along!Originally posted by concerned_man:Absolutely. You have just put in your own words what the rest are trying to tell you. 
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oh. I think you got it wrong. It is inclusive of you.Originally posted by casino_king:So you see, the one who is blind was not me all along!
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I meant mr Casino has tell himself in his own words what the rest is trying to tell mr Casino.Originally posted by casino_king:So you see, the one who is blind was not me all along!
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That is your opinion... very unBuddhist I must say. Do not be quick to form opinions but simply be mindful and observe.Originally posted by concerned_man:oh. I think you got it wrong. It is inclusive of you. -
I think your assumption is wrong too.Originally posted by casino_king:That is your opinion... very unBuddhist I must say. Do not be quick to form opinions but simply be mindful and observe.
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It was based on what you said. I accept that it was on very shaky ground.Originally posted by concerned_man:I think your assumption is wrong too.
That is why it is better to be objective and discuss the issues at hand and not try to make wild guesses about each other. -
Thanks again for putting in your own words about what the rest are trying to tell you.Originally posted by casino_king:That is why it is better to be objective and discuss the issues at hand and not try to make wild guesses about each other.
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That is why I said I was not the one who was blind. see in this thread:Originally posted by concerned_man:Thanks again for putting in your own words about what the rest are trying to tell you.
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inclusive of me and concerned_man.
inclusive of those who claim enlightened already.
as those exclusive are those who do not claim they are enlightened, as they are not proud and very humble.
so it's differ from "born again". as one can say they are born again, but not enlightenment.
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is dharma a teachin?
no, it is not.
then wat is dharma?
they r merely thoughts.
thoughts of what ?
thoughts of buddha durin embarkment of his spiritual journey.
what is so special?
his ultimate wisdom and wholesome compassion thats cover every aspects of all paths.
whats the purpose of havin his thoughts written down?
he juz wan to share his thoughts to beings.
do u learn / memorise buddha thoughts?
for wat? its pointless.
dun cling on to thoughts.
true thoughts will arise when u cum to tat path urslf.
how am i able to share my thoughts wif buddha?
its only when u come to tat point and realise tat ur thoughts wif buddha tink alike..truely understand the thoughts.
(sharin of spiritual journey)
pages and pages
in the end its back to origin.
y goin round in circles?
bcoz lack of wisdom.
babies r babies(not enlighten)
its only when they learn to grow up and is grown-up(enlighten)
then they will laugh at themselves.
my pride and ego has been buried in the graveyard?
how abt u ?
i see them creepin up on u ..wifout u knowin.
i see lost soul.
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The thoughts are sharing that which cannot be explained. It cannot be explained and must be realised. Can that which cannot be explained, be realised without Buddha's thoughts? Yes. Buddha was not dependant on anybody's thoughts but his own. Can Buddha's thoughts help one in the road to realisation? Yes, but one still need to realise it for himself and not simply understand and accept Buddha's thoughts.
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hi kingOriginally posted by casino_king:The thoughts are sharing that which cannot be explained. It cannot be explained and must be realised. Can that which cannot be explained, be realised without Buddha's thoughts? Yes. Buddha was not dependant on anybody's thoughts but his own. Can Buddha's thoughts help one in the road to realisation? Yes, but one still need to realise it for himself and not simply understand and accept Buddha's thoughts.
i noe what u tryin to say..
ever since i get in contact wif u .
i did mention its lack of wisdom.
they r useless.
cos i been thru tat also.
but i did not go to tis far
to realise everytin is useless.
as for my previous postin
do not take it too personal.
for i did not have any ill-intention.
'true friends' spot flaws
juz to remind u, to advance ur journey.
enemies sing at ur strength
juz to built ego
juz to manipulate u.
i dealt wif flaws, weakness rather.
enemies or foes..
u will noe.
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Thanks for your advice. I never take anything personally. Sometimes I feel anger rise in me but it lasts for a few seconds and then it is gone. Even then it is few and far between. I thank the Buddhists here for providing the links to the Budhhist scriptures. Otherwise it would be so difficult for me to find that which is relevant.Originally posted by simplified:hi king
i noe what u tryin to say..
ever since i get in contact wif u .
i did mention its lack of wisdom.
they r useless.
cos i been thru tat also.
but i did not go to tis far
to realise everytin is useless.
as for my previous postin
do not take it too personal.
for i did not have any ill-intention.
'true friends' spot flaws
juz to remind u, to advance ur journey.
enemies sing at ur strength
juz to built ego
juz to manipulate u.
i dealt wif flaws, weakness rather.
enemies or foes..
u will noe.
all the best.
So far I have not yet come to a serious road block... so I am just proceeding ahead until I arrive at something in Buddhist scriptures that is totally beyond me. -
hi kingOriginally posted by casino_king:Thanks for your advice. I never take anything personally. Sometimes I feel anger rise in me but it lasts for a few seconds and then it is gone. Even then it is few and far between. I thank the Buddhists here for providing the links to the Budhhist scriptures. Otherwise it would be so difficult for me to find that which is relevant.
So far I have not yet come to a serious road block... so I am just proceeding ahead until I arrive at something in Buddhist scriptures that is totally beyond me.
do u wan scriptures to be behind u?
simply walk the human path spiritually ..
u will realise that actually u r lookin back at scripture.
'spiritual path' is different in individual bcoz
all ppl , objects we see, we cross in life, differs
but the meanin behind object is similar no matter who we r..
bcoz we r all 'spiritual-connected beings'.
its a matter how long one take to walk.
but then..its all depends how 'spiritual-inclined' person u r.
my rubbish thoughts nia.
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Scriptures are like dictionaries. It helps people to understand what each other are talking about. Other than that, scriptures mean nothing if you do not realise what it written there.Originally posted by simplified:hi king
do u wan scriptures to be behind u?
simply walk the human path spiritually ..
u will realise that actually u r lookin back at scripture.
'spiritual path' is different in individual bcoz
all ppl , objects we see, we cross in life, differs
but the meanin behind object is similar no matter who we r..
bcoz we r all 'spiritual-connected beings'.
its a matter how long one take to walk.
but then..its all depends how 'spiritual-inclined' person u r.
my rubbish thoughts nia.
all best. -
Diamond Sutra, Section XXI. Words cannot express Truth. That which Words Express is not Truth
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Subhuti, do not say that the Tathagata conceives the idea: I must set forth a Teaching. For if anyone says that the Tathagata sets forth a Teaching he really slanders Buddha and is unable to explain what I teach. As to any Truth-declaring system, Truth is undeclarable; so "an enunciation of Truth" is just the name given to it. -
Verse Five
Those who do not see reality believe in samsara and nirvana, but those who see reality believe in neither.
Verse Seven
While the ignorant imagine that annihilation pertains to a created thing that is dissolved, the wise are convinced that annihilation of something created is an illusion.
(Nirvana is not about eliminating something. Nothing really exist, so nothing can really be annihilated. The causes of our suffering do not really exist, so how could they be real eliminated. It is just a matter of directly seeing their real nature.)
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Both the Lankavatara and Esoteric Adornment Sutras Stated:
"It is better to be attached to Existence, though the attachment may be as big as Mount Sumeru, than to be attached to Emptiness, though the attachment may be as small as a mustard seed."
i oso tink to know miao you is more better than zhen kong, as from experience, majority of ppl tends to misinterplate sunyata as nihilism.
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It is the Middle Way. That is to say, sad but sad for a while and sad but not too sad. Why? Because overly sad and sad for a long time speaks of attachment. No sadness speaks of nihilism.Originally posted by sinweiy:Both the Lankavatara and Esoteric Adornment Sutras Stated:
"It is better to be attached to Existence, though the attachment may be as big as Mount Sumeru, than to be attached to Emptiness, though the attachment may be as small as a mustard seed."
i oso tink to know miao you is more better than zhen kong, as from experience, majority of ppl tends to misinterplate sunyata as nihilism.
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I do no understand why Buddhist stop here and not go further.
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Originally posted by casino_king:
Middle Way in itself also have a middle way. ie too much middle way become not middle way.
It is the Middle Way. That is to say, sad but sad for a while and sad but not too sad. Why? Because overly sad and sad for a long time speaks of attachment. No sadness speaks of nihilism.
I do no understand why Buddhist stop here and not go further.
What is Buddhist teaching after the doctrine of emptiness?[/b]
who stopped? sunyata doctrine took me quite a while to grasp. from the look of it , i don't think u really grasp the real meaning of sunyata yet. as u see it as hopelessness?
ref:
Emptiness Is Not NothingnessEmptiness does not mean physical or mental nothingness - it is the law of total openness and infinite possibilities. Emptiness, is like the vast clear sky that allows clouds, birds, planes etc. to come in and go by, allowing infinite phenomena to occur within it. Emptiness is thus infinitely more than everything that the unenlightened can perceive. It is because of Emptiness that everything, including ourselves, can continually change for the better. Anything can transform into something else when the right combination of causes and conditions is present. Similarly, anyone can become Enlightened if one cultivates spiritually. Emptiness is thus a teaching full of hope.
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Benefits Of Realizing Emptiness
Our Ignorance is seeing the illusory as being "too real" - we see the constantly changing as unchanging and become attached to the unsubstantial. Ignorance of not seeing the unreality of the self creates suffering centering around our false sense of self. There is no hint of a fixed self in anything physical or mental. There is no "I, you, my, your..." When self is realized to be empty and unreal, all opposing differences disappear - all are seen just as they are in their naked reality without empty labels, judgments or prejudice.
Being able to apply Emptiness in daily life brings unlimited ease and happiness as one becomes free of the burden of attachment. Realizing Emptiness is to attain the Wisdom of selflessness (to see the non-self of everything). The functioning of selflessness is Compassion. Thus, true Wisdom is compassionate and true Compassion is wise - they are interdependently linked. Both perfection of Wisdom and Compassion form the twin peaks of spiritual cultivation or Enlightenment.
As we familiarize ourselves with Emptiness, we gradually open our minds and free ourselves from the bonds of Ignorance that misconceives reality. In time, we will eliminate all Ignorance, anger, attachment, pride, jealousy and other disturbing attitudes from our Mind. By doing so, we cease to create the destructive actions motivated by them. We will thus be freed from all problems. In other words, realizing Emptiness brings True Happiness.
As a summary, a practical application of Emptiness in everyday life would be:
To Treasure Everything
(in this moment)
as All is Transient;
To Be Unattached to Everything
(in this moment)
as All Is Transient.
http://www.buddhistinformation.com/be_a_lamp_upon_yourself.htm
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Are you saying that Emptiness is all the teaching of Buddhism? That the highest level is Emptiness? Come on. What is further than Emptiness?Originally posted by casino_king:It is the Middle Way. That is to say, sad but sad for a while and sad but not too sad. Why? Because overly sad and sad for a long time speaks of attachment. No sadness speaks of nihilism.
I do no understand why Buddhist stop here and not go further.
What is Buddhist teaching after the doctrine of emptiness?
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Emptiness has no further or lower, since it is already beyond dualistic. Anything that can be described in words is not reality, for reality is thus.Originally posted by casino_king:Are you saying that Emptiness is all the teaching of Buddhism? That the highest level is Emptiness? Come on. What is further than Emptiness?
Why is Emptiness not hopelessness? Why? What does emptiness teaching relevant for? What is emptiness teaching not relevant for?
Dharma King's Dharma - the Highest Dharma -
Is the breath of life in you or you are in the breath of life?
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You are missing something that is very obvious but you do not see it.Originally posted by An Eternal Now:Emptiness has no further or lower, since it is already beyond dualistic. Anything that can be described in words is not reality, for reality is thus.
Dharma King's Dharma - the Highest Dharma
What does Emptiness describe? What reality? Reality of what? sinweiy had an inkling when he said, the other side is nothing and is considered Buddhist cult...