NargarjunaÂ’s Sixty Verses of Arguments (spinoff)
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well my pal he always like tat oneOriginally posted by An Eternal Now:What the hell are you talking about?
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Originally posted by casino_king:
no?
This parable of the old monk is not relevant. There is no argument here about who is right or wrong.
There is only an answered question hanging in the air. The 60 verses was pointing to what when the topic of emptiness was being discussed?[/b]
but it sure sound like argument.
there's more to the parable of the old monk. yes it is not abt right or wrong, but nor was it abt any question hanging in the air.
eventually it's abt the old monk's state of being.
in laymen term - a somewat "CareFree" state.
so how would ur final answer lead to a CareFree state?
if it does not, then i guess we have a different goal. then no point knowing ur answer liao.You do not exist because your existence is conditional... get it so far? You are so buay tahan because certain conditions have made you so buay tahan... get it so far? Your buay tahaness does not exist inherently because it originated only under certain conditions, get it?
this quote i agree though.
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It is known as casino-flavoured king-sized 'word of wisdom'.Originally posted by An Eternal Now:What the hell are you talking about? 
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Originally posted by casino_king:
[b]I have read the posts and most of you have "working" knowledge but have not "transcended" (this is a hint)
"Samsara and Nivarda" "Not 2 not one"
Verse 2 : The real nature of the duality samsara vs. Nirvana The duality being vs. non-being
Verse 3 : Liberation is gained by transcending this duality
Verse 4 : Liberation is gained by seeing through this duality
Verse 5 : Those who do not see reality believe in samsara and nirvana, but those who see reality believe in neither.
If you belive in neither then what do you belive in?So what exactly did the 60 verses pointed to when it was explaining all that?
The 60 verses was pointing to what when the topic of emptiness was being discussed?
And what was the label that the 60 verses used?
i guess ur answer is reality.
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Originally posted by dreamer24:It is known as casino-flavoured king-sized 'word of wisdom'.
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Are you sure? What was the label used?Originally posted by sinweiy:i guess ur answer is reality.
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How people can have such delusions in their mind is funny... all I have done was ask questions... 'word of wisdom?'Originally posted by dreamer24:It is known as casino-flavoured king-sized 'word of wisdom'. -
Originally posted by casino_king:
i use 'guess'. so u tell me.
Are you sure?What was the label used?
asking this question kind of show that Your answer IS reality, no?
hmm..or it's Dependent Origination.
If you belive in neither then what do you belive in?
http://www.sgforums.com/?action=thread_display&thread_id=196269
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Pardom my close to 0 dharma knowledge. Interested to know how would you define "Word of Wisdom"Originally posted by casino_king:How people can have such delusions in their mind is funny... all I have done was ask questions... 'word of wisdom?' -
You have to ask the people who used it, not me... I did not come up with that phraseOriginally posted by coolbluewater:Pardom my close to 0 dharma knowledge. Interested to know how would you define "Word of Wisdom" -
Why don't you just read the 60 verses again? Why don't you just read verse 2 again?Originally posted by sinweiy:i use 'guess'. so u tell me.
asking this question kind of show that Your answer IS reality, no? Laughing
hmm..or it's Dependent Origination. Very Happy
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OK I have even copied it for you:
The real nature of the duality samsara vs. Nirvana...
What was the label used to described that which was inherently empty? -
Originally posted by casino_king:
Anything you label, that is empty.
Why don't you just read the 60 verses again? Why don't you just read verse 2 again?
OK I have even copied it for you:
[b]The real nature of the duality samsara vs. Nirvana...
What was the label used to described that which was inherently empty?[/b] -
Originally posted by casino_king:
samsara & nirvana = reality wat.
Why don't you just read the 60 verses again? Why don't you just read verse 2 again?
OK I have even copied it for you:
[b]The real nature of the duality samsara vs. Nirvana...
What was the label used to described that which was inherently empty?[/b]
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after 8 pages than come up with the answer that was in verse 2!Originally posted by sinweiy:samsara & nirvana = reality wat.
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You cannot point to nothing and say: see, nothing is empty!
I really tired. -
How can something that is inherently empty and arisen conditionally be REALITY?
Anyway I cannot bring you further because it is dangerous for you if I tell you over the internet. I have brought you to the edge of emptiness and reality... that is as far as I can bring you in an internet forum... -
Originally posted by casino_king:
not enough. answer is in all 60 verses. without the rest of the 59 verse, verse 2 also cannot stand.
after 8 pages than come up with the answer that was in verse 2!
You cannot point to nothing and say: see, nothing is empty!
I really tired.
all in one , one in all. each word is also the answer, even the full-stop and commas. that's hua yen theory.
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Originally posted by casino_king:
why not.
How can something that is inherently empty and arisen conditionally be [b]REALITY?
can u own REALITY?Anyway I cannot bring you further because it is dangerous for you if I tell you over the internet. I have brought you to the edge of emptiness and reality... that is as far as I can bring you in an internet forum...
like real.
no Carefree, no same goal.
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What is carefree?
Verse 3 : Liberation is gained by transcending this duality
Verse 4 : Liberation is gained by seeing through this duality -
Liberation.Originally posted by casino_king:What is carefree?
Verse 3 : Liberation is gained by transcending this duality
Verse 4 : Liberation is gained by seeing through this duality
wat's not carefree?
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Can anybody be carefree if he does not know reality?Originally posted by sinweiy:Liberation.
wat's not carefree?
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Originally posted by casino_king:
i can say yes, with a set of reasoning;
Can anybody be carefree if he does not know reality?
and i can say no, with another set of reasoning.
can u?
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If I tell you that the animal is not an elephant, can you tell me what that animal is?Originally posted by sinweiy:i can say yes, with a set of reasoning;
and i can say no, with another set of reasoning.
can u?
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if the animal can be eagle, can be tiger, can be lion , or it can neither be eagle, non tiger, non lion etcs, then how do u want me to say?Originally posted by casino_king:If I tell you that the animal is not an elephant, can you tell me what that animal is?
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If samsara is inherently empty (not reality; ) what is?Originally posted by sinweiy:if the animal can be eagle, can be tiger, can be lion , or it can neither be eagle, non tiger, non lion etcs, then how do u want me to say?
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"can be Eagle, can be tiger, can be lion , or it can neither be eagle, non tiger, non lion etcs?" -
(indeed)...i'am, you are, they are too ..etcs.Originally posted by casino_king:If samsara is inherently empty (not reality; ) what is?
"can be Eagle, can be tiger, can be lion , or it can neither be eagle, non tiger, non lion etcs?"
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