As you know, in Buddhism everyone is empty of Self and the so-called Self can be broken down into 5 components, that which we call the 5 Skhandas.Originally posted by casino_king:How can an inherently empty being be in control of anything?
When the 'Self' dissolves, volition is transform into wisdom.Originally posted by sinweiy:also because the being is too attached to an egolistic 'self', and didn't realised "inherently emptiness", that hence karma is still effective.
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Originally posted by An Eternal Now:...and karma power(ye li) become will/vow power(yuan li).
When the 'Self' dissolves, volition is transform into wisdom.

'There is no place to hide in order to escape from kammic results.Â’If you don't exist, can you have karma?
-Buddha
Dhammapada 127
can read explanation fm sinweiyOriginally posted by Herzog_Zwei:If you don't exist, can you have karma?
Buddhism does not totally deny the existence of a personality in an empirical sense. It denies, in an ultimate sense, an identical being of a permanent entity, but it does not deny a continuity in process. The Buddhist philosophical term for an individual in santati, - that is, a flux or continuity.Originally posted by sinweiy:also because the being is too attached to an egolistic 'self', and didn't realised "inherently emptiness", that hence karma is still effective.
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So ka....If you never exist before in time and space, then your karma should never exist at all untill you become present. I was comparing existences using Mobius strips. Thanks.Originally posted by neutral_onliner:Buddhism does not totally deny the existence of a personality in an empirical sense. It denies, in an ultimate sense, an identical being of a permanent entity, but it does not deny a continuity in process. The Buddhist philosophical term for an individual in santati, - that is, a flux or continuity.
Firstly it is not 'You' who have the karma.Originally posted by Herzog_Zwei:If you don't exist, can you have karma?
Originally posted by An Eternal Now:Yamizi made a good point that there is Conditioned Will, not absolute free will or no will. What is this Conditioned Will called in terms of Buddhism? Volition. Part of the 5 Skhandas... which are all conditioned phenomena which makes up what one conventionally perceives as an individual self. Volition plants karmic seeds in the 8th consciousness, also known as the storehouse consciousness.
As you know, in Buddhism everyone is empty of Self and the so-called Self can be broken down into 5 components, that which we call the 5 Skhandas.
In particular, it is Volition of the 5 Skhandas that causes Karma.
"Mere suffering is, not any sufferer is found
The deeds exist, but no performer of the deeds:
Nibbana is, but not the man that enters it,
The path is, but no wanderer is to be seen.
No doer of the deeds is found,
No one who ever reaps their fruits,
Empty phenomena roll on,
This view alone is right and true.
No god, no Brahma, may be called,
The maker of this wheel of life,
Empty phenomena roll on,
Dependent on conditions all."
- Visuddhimagga XVI 90
Of course it doesn't mean there is no karma, just that it is not the 'self' that receives karma and the 'self' that creates karma.
But consciousness is propelled by causes and conditions into manifestation (karma). Karmic seeds latent in the 8th consciousness will ripen when the conditions are met.
BUT... when we talk about conventional reality, we can say "KARMA - nobody but you yourself is in control of your fate". [/b]
'Emptiness' in Buddhism is very very different from 'Nihilism', it is not the kind of void of absence that some people may think of.Originally posted by Herzog_Zwei:So ka....If you never exist before in time and space, then your karma should never exist at all untill you become present. I was comparing existences using Mobius strips. Thanks.
Originally posted by An Eternal Now:'Emptiness' in Buddhism is very very different from 'Nihilism', it is not the kind of void of absence that some people may think of.
In Buddhism, all phenomena are conditioned and empty of inherent existence, which means, there is no 'thingness' in all things... see: Emptiness
Originally posted by Herzog_Zwei:did we say Kong/emptiness is nothing or not exist? hmm...u must have heard it wrongly.I see that you misinterpret me again. How can something be nothing and nothing be something? If I am correct, emptiness means not have a fixed preconception of something. Again back to my question, I was asking about how can karma be attached to something that is empty of all existence(i.e Does not exist in the first place.)