Originally posted by sinweiy:did we say Kong/emptiness is nothing or not exist? hmm...u must have heard it wrongly.
What is Reborn ?
A very good, classic & somewhat complex question!
In brevity:
Causes & Conditioning is passed on & reborn ...
No being, substance, soul or self is reborn as such assumed constant entity or core substance has never existed or ever been observed in the first place...
So how can it then ever be 'reborn' !!!
Existence is a chain of discrete mental states (dhammas) all new yet conditioned
by the prior, both proximate and far.
Just like the pearl in a necklace is in contact with the next & next & next etc.
In that way do the prior mental moment condition the next;
Some Examples:
If angry now in this moment one cannot be happy in the immediate next moment,
but is conditioned to be either angry also there or indifferent!
If glad now in this moment one cannot be angry in the immediate next moment,
but is conditioned to be either glad also there or indifferent!
One is 'reborn' in every moment of life!
Frequency = ~ billions/second!
The conditioning in the terminal life moment is crucial as it determines the next state:
If having killed many beings in life how then to die in a peaceful & calm state ?
Due to the agitation of remorse & regrets in death moment => bad state rebirth.
If having given & done much good in life it is easy to die in peaceful state !
Due to the satisfied serene content in death moment => good state rebirth.
Mind or consciousness descends & settles at a new level corresponding or fitting
to its last mixture of characteristics. Very mechanic & not metaphysical at all!
Like a protein molecule sediments in a mixed solution according to its boyancy.
or
Like a comet goes into a orbit around a planet according to its own speed, mass & inclination angle.
No entity or person is found:
But a Noself state1 arising and ceasing
conditioning state2 arising and ceasing
conditioning state3 arising and ceasing
conditioning state4 arising and ceasing
conditioning state5 arising and ceasing
etc ... endlessly until Nibbana ...
bhikkhu samahita : - ]
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From an Eternal Now:Don't look at me, ask your own mod please. I am trying to get your explaination in mathematical logic terms right and now I got a headache for it instead.
'Emptiness' in Buddhism is very very different from 'Nihilism', it is not the kind of void of absence that some people may think of.
In Buddhism, all phenomena are conditioned and empty of inherent existence, which means, there is no 'thingness' in all things... see: Emptiness
Two Sides Of Emptiness
Here is a useful maxim to remember the core concept of Sunyata by:
Sunyata Affirms the Existence of Existence;
Sunyata Negates the Self-nature of Existence.
This means that Emptiness does not deny the existence of each and every thing, but it denies the existence of a fixed unchanging self behind each and every thing.
Using a river again as an example, we can say that a river (made up of many small streams) exists dependently or conditionally on the streams - this illustrates the first aspect of the above maxim. Because the river flows on and on (keeps changing), or unconditionally (as it has no unchanging identity or self) - this illustrates the second aspect of the maxim.


I've came alot of misconception about emptiness, which should, in Buddhism context, means impermanence. The idea behind, is that since nothing is going to stay in a particular forever, we shouldn't hold attachment, as it will only causes suffering. Even our own body, we are getting older everyday, our physical appearance will change, there will come to a time where our organs will deteriorate, if we hold attachment to our existing body, we are going to suffer.Originally posted by sinweiy:well, i tink emptiness is indeed difficult to understand and contradiction is very common when understanding emptiness.
for me i come out with this few factors to apply to anything. in order to understand the meaning of emptiness to ANYTHING, be it physical or mental.
1) it's always changing. (some use continuum.)
2) it's conditional or made up of parts.
so say this table for example. we ask. is it going to change? yes.
it's it make up of parts or conditions for it to exist? yes. hence conclusion, the table is empty in self-nature. this include we people.
note/fyi:
http://www.buddhistinformation.com/be_a_lamp_upon_yourself.htm
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Cos cents < dollarOriginally posted by coolbluewater:That's my 2 cents worth of thoughts.
P.S: I wonder why the norm is always cents and not dollars..