what is the name of the part of you that experiences rebirth
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This is what the Buddha said right after he attained enlightenment:
How wonderful! All sentient beings have the same. wisdom and virtue as the Tathagata; but because of the obstacles of illusory thinking and grasping, they cannot attain. -
Don't take meanings word for word...lah.Originally posted by casino_king:I am just interested to know what Buddhaism says regarding what is beyond samsara... so far, no answer from BWB ... maybe other than there is nothing beyond samsara...
Which is not true because the 60 verses clearly said to transcend samsara and nirvana.
I have certain experiences that I am keen to see if Buddhism has anything to say about ... maybe yes, maybe no...
Transcending samsara and nirvana is not a location or place.
It means that there is no distinction between samsara (phenomenality) and nirvana ( un-manifested)... for they are both the same 'thing'... in different 'state'.
If I am correct.
That is the problem with taking words literally... It confuses one further. -
transcending duality is not a simple feat by understanding abc to form words to comprehend with.
no answer doesn't mean there is no answer and also got answer doesn't mean there is an answer.
read carefully and comtemplate over verse 2 and the rest is linking to verse 2.
everyone has experiences of his/her own, no one is better than the other. some choose not to share the experience in case its too profound to catch and in order not to confuse futher the already confused minds.
it is more than words putting together to get to the point.
if this serve as a no answer to anyone seeking than how to transcend the duality when one does not wish to let go even the dualistic mind of attaching to finding answers answers answers.
seeking outside for answers are no answers.
only when u live in the moment, truly live and you will realise what you wanted to know all the time. -
I already said samsara and nirvana is the same place but nirvana is simply liberation of the mind from samsara.Originally posted by longchen:Don't take meanings word for word...lah.
Transcending samsara and nirvana is not a location or place.
It means that there is no distinction between samsara (phenomenality) and nirvana ( un-manifested)... for they are both the same 'thing'... in different 'state'.
If I am correct.
That is the problem with taking words literally... It confuses one further.
Transcendence is different. Transcendence from samsara and nirvana is to come out of samsara and nirvana... to come out of and go into what? What is outside of samsara? -
Solid.Originally posted by paperflower:transcending duality is not a simple feat by understanding abc to form words to comprehend with.
no answer doesn't mean there is no answer and also got answer doesn't mean there is an answer.
read carefully and comtemplate over verse 2 and the rest is linking to verse 2.
everyone has experiences of his/her own, no one is better than the other. some choose not to share the experience in case its too profound to catch and in order not to confuse futher the already confused minds.
it is more than words putting together to get to the point.
if this serve as a no answer to anyone seeking than how to transcend the duality when one does not wish to let go even the dualistic mind of attaching to finding answers answers answers.
seeking outside for answers are no answers.
only when u live in the moment, truly live and you will realise what you wanted to know all the time. -
please lah, this is not saying anything at all. it is like saying, don't read anything, don't learn anything, don't seek anything, just go and live your life!
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I refuse to answer you.Originally posted by casino_king:I already said samsara and nirvana is the same place but nirvana is simply liberation of the mind from samsara.
Transcendence is different. Transcendence from samsara and nirvana is to come out of samsara and nirvana... to come out of and go into what? What is outside of samsara?
Are all these words really so important? They give you meaning... They give you peace? -
I am not looking for meaning and peace...Originally posted by longchen:I refuse to answer you.
Are all these words really so important? They give you meaning... They give you peace?
I am trying to find out more about Buddhism.
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I think you have misunderstood a very important development process.
If you think conditioning your mind in a state of perfect clarity and pure is doing nothing, dont read dont learn, I suggest that you have mistaken it. You can try to do this for just 10 mins see how you perform. For this 10 mins, no single wondering thoughts with a perfect clear mind. This is no easy task. It will be a difficult challenge.Originally posted by casino_king:please lah, this is not saying anything at all. it is like saying, don't read anything, don't learn anything, don't seek anything, just go and live your life! -
He was not talking about conditioning of mind was he? Nevermind...Originally posted by concerned_man:I think you have misunderstood a very important development process.
If you think conditioning your mind in a state of perfect clarity and pure is doing nothing, dont read dont learn, I suggest that you have mistaken it. You can try to do this for just 10 mins see how you perform. For this 10 mins, no single wondering thoughts with a perfect clear mind. This is no easy task. It will be a difficult challenge.
Conditioning of mind has a purpose doesn't it? I would suggest that mind conditioning is to connect... connect with what? What did Buddhism teach that one should connect one's mind to? -
I really pity La lapine blanche.
This thread is supposed for La lapine blanche to find answers...
Now it has been hijacked by Casino King for his own selfish and confusion-inducing debate.... and totally disregarding others.
I hope La lapine blanche is gracious enough to forgive such acts. -
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to connect to your deep true inner core self. You have to realise that for yourself.Originally posted by casino_king:He was not talking about conditioning of mind was he? Nevermind...
Conditioning of mind has a purpose doesn't it? I would suggest that mind conditioning is to connect... connect with what? What did Buddhism teach that one should connect one's mind to? -
Originally posted by longchen:Still got some way to go before Emptiness and Dharmakaya in full can be experienced.
Must thank you for all the help, Thusness
Just this happening is the Unmanifest. Be Mr. nobody and spend not even a thought moment for the source, just the manifestation that is empty. The arising and the ceasing have no point of origin, no where to be found, no a thing, nothing attained. -
You see, we have come back to square one. If you are inherently empty... how can you have a true inner core self?Originally posted by concerned_man:to connect to your deep true inner core self. You have to realise that for yourself.
An inherently empty being is just that, inherently empty. Every part of him consists of smaller parts. The smaller parts consists of even smaller parts. He does not exists by himself. So where does his true inner core self comes from?
What did you think the topic title is asking?
What does Buddhism say about this true inner core self? How does Buddhism describe it? -
So I guess, you have just failed the test.Originally posted by casino_king:You see, we have come back to square one. If you are inherently empty... how can you have a true inner core self?
An inherently empty being is just that, inherently empty. Every part of him consists of smaller parts. The smaller parts consists of even smaller parts. He does not exists by himself. So where does his true inner core self comes from?
What did you think the topic title is asking?
What does Buddhism say about this true inner core self? How does Buddhism describe it? -
True self is no-self, it is only a term, and does not imply that true self has an inherent existence.
'Inner core' may not be the right word because if 'True Self' is used as a term to describe Buddha Nature, it has to be all pervading, not an inner core. -
Got it!Originally posted by Thusness:
Just this happening is the Unmanifest. Be Mr. nobody and spend not even a thought moment for the source, just the manifestation that is empty. The arising and the ceasing have no point of origin, no where to be found, no a thing, nothing attained.
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The thought of clearing your thoughts for better clarity is also another added thought.
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No inner core self, my friend. No observer, no witness.
Core self is a very subtle clinging.
Just flow...just flow... no one observing... settle into the peaceful present moment.
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i remembered that during meditation, my mind wondered and i brought it to attention again. i stayed with my breathe to remain still and unwavered. even this thought of not wanting to wonder becomes a dependant thought arising. where did it start and end? it started from nowhere and does not end anywhere. thoughts and no thoughts in duality, there is no connection to anything literally as some would suggest. the being is just be the being.Originally posted by concerned_man:The thought of clearing your thoughts for better clarity is also another added thought.
oh i do have some shares of hindrances or wavering thoughts which i don't deny. it is not easy to remain still or thoughtless but it is also not impossible and of cos as time goes by with quality sincere practice, a firm samadhi can be achieved by anyone. when you are there, you won't even need any words or thoughts to describe what it is.
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I am sorry that I've used inappropriate words.
I meant Buddha nature (Zi Xin). Apologise. AmiTuoFo.
Thanks for highlighting.Originally posted by longchen:No inner core self, my friend. No observer, no witness.
Core self is a very subtle clinging.
Just flow...just flow... no one observing... settle into the peaceful present moment.
My last post on this thread.. out of respect for the thread starter. -
Thank-you all for taking the time to post replies.
To some extent I understand the whole "flow" thing of a mental continuum, how I am a different self every moment, etc. At one level that makes sense.
But at another level it doesn't fit with what I have been telling myself in order to encourage myself to practise the 5 precepts. When I am tempted to do stupid things like speak unkindly I tell myself "That's just my ego or whatever wanting to show off, whereas my mental continuum is the real, important bit, the bit I will carry over into the next life ... so it is more important to avoid accumulating negative karma". I have found this way of thinking helpful ... but am I ultimately wrong to think this way then?
I really still don't think I understand it because surely even if my self is just flow and ever-changing, it is still true that if what I do in one moment affects the subsequent moments/even lives then there is some permanency in that ... like for example if I accumulate some positive karma it is like a permanent investment because it increases the future likelihood of more positive karma/good rebirth/even Enlightenment eventually? -
very interesting read.
one question regarding the point of reincarnation or rebirth -
rebirth is the word used becoz reincarnation implies a "self".
"there is no 'self' that is the same as us in the past"
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Show me where it said that Buddha nature (Zi Xin) is empty.Originally posted by concerned_man:I am sorry that I've used inappropriate words.
I meant Buddha nature (Zi Xin). Apologise. AmiTuoFo.
Thanks for highlighting.