what is the name of the part of you that experiences rebirth
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Originally posted by casino_king:
my post in page 1, on Heart Sutra.
Show me where it said that Buddha nature (Zi Xin) is empty.[/b]
ok i copy and paste.hence it's also 'empty' of self-nature. in the heart sutra, even the inherent existence(zhi xin) and five aggregates are empty (ie undergo change and conditioning).
Buddha speak the Holy Mother of Heart Sutra:
"Shariputra, whatever son or daughter of the lineage wishes to engage in the practice of the profound perfection of wisdom should look perfectly like this: subsequently looking perfectly and correctly at the emptiness of inherent existence also of the five aggregates.
"Form is empty; emptiness is form. Emptiness is not other than form; form is not other than emptiness. Likewise, feeling, discrimination, compositional factors and consciousness are empty.
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CLICK HERE FOR LINK TOOriginally posted by sinweiy:hence it's also 'empty' of self-nature. in the heart sutra, even the inherent existence(zhi xin) and five aggregates are empty (ie undergo change and conditioning).
"Shariputra, whatever son or daughter of the lineage wishes to engage in the practice of the profound perfection of wisdom should look perfectly like this: subsequently looking perfectly and correctly at the emptiness of inherent existence also of the five aggregates.
"Form is empty; emptiness is form. Emptiness is not other than form; form is not other than emptiness. Likewise, feeling, discrimination, compositional factors and consciousness are empty.
web.singnet.com.sg/~rjp31831/hsutra.htm
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The Heart Sutra
Prajna Paramita Hrydaya Sutra
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What is the real self? Our Original Nature is our real self. It depends on the body temporarily; the body is not different from a house. A house is completed and then gradually deteriorates; similarly, the body has birth and death and the part in between. Our True Nature (real self), on the other hand, has neither birth nor death. It is enduring and unchanging. The teaching of Real Self and of illusory ego is basic to all Buddhadharma. When it is understood, clinging is easily broken off.
Do you see this? Why is it so difficult to get information from the Buddhists here?
Only after six pages do I get the clear unambiguos answer. And if you add the 5 pages in What is REAL? (spinoff) [page: 1, 2, 3, 4, 5] you have 11 pages. Worse of all I have to discover the answer for myself.
Sometimes I seriously wonder if the people in this forum know what they are doing.
Or are you going to tell me that this is not the answer?
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Originally posted by casino_king:
Great NIRVANA, with the Capital N. (but still within the mind, only that Samsara is transformed.)
I already said samsara and nirvana is the same place but nirvana is simply liberation of the mind from samsara.
Transcendence is different. Transcendence from samsara and nirvana is to come out of samsara and nirvana... to come out of and go into what? What is outside of samsara?
in mahayana term: Yi Zhen Fa Jie or Hua Zhang Shi Jie
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it's a One True realm of non-attachment; non-dualism; non wandering thoughts. It's Inconcievable!
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I know you have got it.Originally posted by longchen:Got it!
Thanks Thusness
Make no attempt to accept or reject anything, all are just this manifestation.
Lastly the teaching of no-self and emptiness is so profound and what that is experienced is but a figment. Though you are new age, know the affinity and with deepest sincerity and all respect, pay homage to the Blessed One for his compassion and teachings. Get connected and walk on!
Happy Journey.
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To: sinweiy 18 July 2006 · 09:14 AM
Please stop your own confusion, if I may say so... see my post 18 July 2006 · 08:48am just above and meditate on that first. -
so u want it to be Original Nature to be real? the posts got mentioned Dharmakaya and Zhen Ru Ben Xing and Thus Come One and Tathagata, but u still ask, so thought u still don't know. maybe that's the disadvantage of keep asking.Originally posted by casino_king:CLICK HERE FOR LINK TO
The Heart Sutra
Prajna Paramita Hrydaya Sutra
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What is the real self? Our Original Nature is our real self. It depends on the body temporarily; the body is not different from a house. A house is completed and then gradually deteriorates; similarly, the body has birth and death and the part in between. Our True Nature (real self), on the other hand, has neither birth nor death. It is enduring and unchanging. The teaching of Real Self and of illusory ego is basic to all Buddhadharma. When it is understood, clinging is easily broken off.
Do you see this? Why is it so difficult to get information from the Buddhists here?
Only after six pages do I get the clear unambiguos answer. Worse of all I have to discover the answer for myself.
Sometimes I seriously wonder if the people in this forum know what they are doing.
Or are you going to tell me that this is not the answer?
If you agree that this is the answer to the question "What is REAL in Buddhism," we can move on to other things....
nvm move on....To reiterate, the Buddha's view was that all sentient beings have the same virtue and the same wisdom as the Tathagata - the pure, luminous virtue of Dharma-dhatu. However, the sentient beings are confused, do not return to their Original Nature and do not purify the Dharma-kaya and therefore they are called sentient beings, or different from buddhas.
ps: maybe can re read the posts, maybe got new understanding. u try.
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You must come step by step... first you must understand that your human body is "empty;" samsara is "empty."
Next you must understand that your human body and all that comes with it, the senses and the perceptions and the thoughts and the conclusions and the assumptions and your ego are all "empty." All not real.
Then you must ask yourself what is REAL.
Only then, when you are very clear about that, only after you are very clear about what is REAL then you start to talk about "Tathagata - the pure, luminous virtue of Dharma-dhatu."
Otherwise, you are just one big confused person.
Sometimes it is very "vomit blood" talking to you people...
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Originally posted by casino_king:
see post 18 July 2006 · 09:33 AM
To: sinweiy 18 July 2006 · 09:14 AM
Please stop your own confusion, if I may say so... see my post 18 July 2006 · 08:48am just above and meditate on that first.
if u can see from my perspective ..then u can say i'm confuse.
"Judge not, that ye be not judged. For with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged."
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Buddha speaks the Holy Mother of Heart Sutra:
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BTW I already knew the Original Nature to be real before I started asking.
I just wanted to know where it says so in Buddhist scriptures or authority/reference. Instead of getting a clear direct answer, I get lots of confusing nonsensical stuff (just my opinion, apologies.)
That only shows that my question / answer was not for me but for the confused people here
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Don't any old how quote lahOriginally posted by sinweiy:"Judge not, that ye be not judged. For with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged."
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Originally posted by casino_king:
[b]You must come step by step... first you must understand that your human body is "empty;" samsara is "empty."
Next you must understand that your human body and all that comes with it, the senses and the perceptions and the thoughts and the conclusions and the assumptions and your ego are all "empty." All not real.
Then you must ask yourself what is REAL.
Only then, when you are very clear about that, only after you are very clear about what is REAL then you start to talk about "Tathagata - the pure, luminous virtue of Dharma-dhatu."
Otherwise, you are just one big confused person.
Sometimes it is very "vomit blood" talking to you people... nvm move on. 
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Originally posted by casino_king:
more than that. at one point of Dharma...it mean stilling the mind or not to move the mind. judging is moving the mind liao. asking is moving the mind liao.
Don't any old how quote lah Here it is refering to "sin" and condemnation.
judging is a form of attachment to 'self'; attach to 'MY' viewpoint is right per se.
it's also abt Cause and effect too.
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I am not judging you, I am just stating facts. Next time somebody ask you What is REAL? or "what is the name of the part of you that experiences rebirth?"Originally posted by sinweiy:more than that. at one point of Dharma...it mean stilling the mind or not to move the mind.
judging is a form of attachment to 'self'; attach to 'MY' viewpoint is right per se.
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Then simply tell them:
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What is the real self? Our Original Nature is our real self. It depends on the body temporarily; the body is not different from a house. A house is completed and then gradually deteriorates; similarly, the body has birth and death and the part in between. Our True Nature (real self), on the other hand, has neither birth nor death. It is enduring and unchanging. The teaching of Real Self and of illusory ego is basic to all Buddhadharma. When it is understood, clinging is easily broken off.
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Originally posted by casino_king:
if say too simple. our rating wouldn't go up liao...just kidding.
[b]I am not judging you, I am just stating facts. Next time somebody ask you What is REAL? or "what is the name of the part of you that experiences rebirth?"
Then simply tell them:
CLICK ANYWHERE BELOW FOR LINK TO THIS COMMENTARY
What is the real self? Our Original Nature is our real self. It depends on the body temporarily; the body is not different from a house. A house is completed and then gradually deteriorates; similarly, the body has birth and death and the part in between. Our True Nature (real self), on the other hand, has neither birth nor death. It is enduring and unchanging. The teaching of Real Self and of illusory ego is basic to all Buddhadharma. When it is understood, clinging is easily broken off.
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Originally posted by sinweiy:if say too simple. our rating wouldn't go up liao...just kidding.
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i oso got a bit of feeling that u are pretending wan... only not cfm. yester night i read the many postings, but nv reply..... aya yuan lai ru ce.Originally posted by casino_king:BTW I already knew the Original Nature to be real before I started asking.
I just wanted to know where it says so in Buddhist scriptures or authority/reference. Instead of getting a clear direct answer, I get lots of confusing nonsensical stuff (just my opinion, apologies.)
That only shows that my question / answer was not for me but for the confused people here
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Originally posted by sinweiy:i oso got a bit of feeling that u are pretending wan... only not cfm. yester night i read the many postings, but nv reply..... aya yuan lai ru ce.
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BTW I not really "pretending." I really wanted to know where it says so in Buddhist scriptures / authority.
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BTW, if we read the sutras, note that many of Buddha's disciples are already enlightened ppl. meaning they are ancient Buddhas (gu fo) already...only coming to Pretend to be Buddha's disciples so as to ask questions. they are to support Buddha teach the Truth of Dharma wan.
if not u think ordinary ppl can ask high level questions ah.. u dream ah.
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aiya, there are some things that you do not understand...
spinoff to here...
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Originally posted by casino_king:
ah ha..u generate wandering thoughts again.
aiya, there are some things that you do not understand...
spinoff to here...
sgforums.com/?action=thread_display&thread_id=200702[/b]
aiya...u think u only person can pretend ah.
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so casino_king can u describe buddha nature or what is real?
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Pls remember that in Buddhism, although True Self is used as a word to describe Real, but in reality True Self is No Self, unlike other religions which posits that True Self has inherent existence. One such school is Hinduism, although all other religions does speak of True Self has having inherent existence, in a different way.Originally posted by casino_king:You must come step by step... first you must understand that your human body is "empty;" samsara is "empty."
Next you must understand that your human body and all that comes with it, the senses and the perceptions and the thoughts and the conclusions and the assumptions and your ego are all "empty." All not real.
Then you must ask yourself what is REAL.
Only then, when you are very clear about that, only after you are very clear about what is REAL then you start to talk about "Tathagata - the pure, luminous virtue of Dharma-dhatu."
Otherwise, you are just one big confused person.
Sometimes it is very "vomit blood" talking to you people... -
There is "past life", just as relatively speaking by clock time you may have drank coffee 3 hours ago. But reality is, it is just a continuum of the now moment. Past life memories and habits are also brought to this life, because our mental and karmic factors do succeed to this lifetime, and in fact we can even access them in deep meditation.Originally posted by sgquitter:very interesting read.
one question regarding the point of reincarnation or rebirth -
rebirth is the word used becoz reincarnation implies a "self".
"there is no 'self' that is the same as us in the past"
if this is the case, why are there so many Buddhist stories about past lives?Life (Self) is nothing other than the continuous flow of the Now Moment.
The Now Moment ceases as it arises. This moment must completely ceased
and serves as the CAUSE for the next moment to arise.
Therefore Self is a process of series Self1, Self2, Self3, Self4, Self5, Self6...etc
A fixed entity 'Self' does not exist, what really exists is a momentary Self.
Under deep meditation, one is able to observe and sense the karmic and mental factors from moment to moment,
it is these factors that are succeeded from moment to moment and life and life but not a fixed entity.
When the karmic and mental factors subsides, it is known as "The True and Only (and Inherently egoless) Conscious Light (Itself)".
- Thusness