everytime i see an ugly girl that i dont like
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If you do have compassion, that is good. But your earlier post did not show anything about compassion, as it only mentions "seeing ugly girl that i dont like", "will to get enlightened gets stronger" or "weakens". Anyone who doesnt want to be ugly can also think that way, but there may not be a sense of compassion, only "pity the other person" while wishing oneself not to end up the fate like them.
It is an undeniable fact that almost all humans dont like what they perceive as ugly. Since I am experiencing this "dont like" [i forgot what to say here]What a weird question. Anyway Nirvana cannot be destroyed, it is known as unborn. Samsara will also not be destroyed, if samsara can be destroyed or created, that will fall under the idea of Creatorism. In Buddhism there is no beginning and ending of the world on a higher level, only constant flux. Even when the universe ends, a new one will eventually be formed. You cannot trace something to a beginning or trace something to an ending, because that is merely an illusion in the mind. There is always only this NOW moment, which is ungraspable because of its empty nature, constantly changing. The only way to transcend is to realise its empty nature, not by destroying physical things.
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He meant there will be chaos and disorder without compassion.It is an undeniable fact that almost all humans dont like what they perceive as ugly. Since I am experiencing this "dont like" [i forgot what to say here][/quote]
Yes, but not all humans have true compassion. And deep compassion actually really goes beyond aversion.
[quote]Originally posted by Cenarious:So what was longchen saying about True Compassion sustaining the universe? He said that without it the universe would implode. -
I remember what I wanted to say. Since I am experiencing this "dont like" i might as well make it a motivation. If I didnt experience "dont like" and "self inferiority" then why would I care? because i wont know what wrong there is to fix.
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It's ok, but that is not compassion, because compassion is more than "dont like", pity, etc. And anyway ugly girl is not a good enough motivating factor. Death is a better motivating factor because everyone is equal in death. Not everyone is equal in beauty or ugliness, therefore not a good motivating factor.Originally posted by Cenarious:I remember what I wanted to say. Since I am experiencing this "dont like" i might as well make it a motivation. If I didnt experience "dont like" and "self inferiority" then why would I care? because i wont know what wrong there is to fix. -
But not everyone is afraid of death. Why do some people commit suicide? Because they think something in their life sux more than death. Many people would rather shorten their lives by a few years to enjoy their life more thoroughly. As is what I think.Originally posted by An Eternal Now:It's ok, but that is not compassion. And ugly girl is not a good motivating factor. Death is a better motivating factor because everyone is equal in death. Not everyone is equal in beauty or ugliness, therefore not a good motivating factor.
If everyone were equally ugly, then there wont be sadness. It is this unequality that makes it suck. -
Therefore it all boils down to attachment.
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So this is call buddhism.
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you mean my view or his viewOriginally posted by White_Wolf_Thunder:So this is call buddhism. -
A pile of sand is all i see in all views.Originally posted by Cenarious:you mean my view or his view -
so ur saying to do whatever we want? u must be someones clone.Originally posted by White_Wolf_Thunder:A pile of sand is all i see in all views. -
No i mean it all in a mess. i don't see any views.Originally posted by Cenarious:so ur saying to do whatever we want? u must be someones clone. -
Seriously , if you are here for discussion ,please proceed .Originally posted by White_Wolf_Thunder:No i mean it all in a mess. i don't see any views.
But I feel you are potentially criticising Buddhism,then be prepare to get flamed by others
If you come here out of malice ,then may I hope you leave in happiness
thank you
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Oh my Goodness... the Mod actually allow Cenarious to start a topic here...
Just close the topic la...this guy is not even sincere. He is just playing around. -
You have slandered me.Originally posted by mhcampboy:Oh my Goodness... the Mod actually allow Cenarious to start a topic here...
Just close the topic la...this guy is not even sincere. He is just playing around. -
dont like is not dislike.
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I have seen different views of Buddhism in here. None is teaching of Buddha, what is the use of having an external shell that is empty inside?Originally posted by bohiruci:Seriously , if you are here for discussion ,please proceed .
But I feel you are potentially criticising Buddhism,then be prepare to get flamed by others
If you come here out of malice ,then may I hope you leave in happiness
thank you
Sad to tell you i am shocked this is your Buddhism.
Criticism, don't put words in my mouth. Flame? I see a dull dying flame struggling.
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Dont feed the trollOriginally posted by mhcampboy:Oh my Goodness... the Mod actually allow Cenarious to start a topic here...
Just close the topic la...this guy is not even sincere. He is just playing around.
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hmm... adamant atitude ...maybe my friend laoda99 will share with you what is harmonious sharing and not your flame-throwing atitudeOriginally posted by White_Wolf_Thunder:I have seen different views of Buddhism in here. None is teaching of Buddha, what is the use of having an external shell that is empty inside?
Sad to tell you i am shocked this is your Buddhism.
Criticism, don't put words in my mouth. Flame? I see a dull dying flame struggling.
Happiness is mine, i am not sharing with you.
i see a fool ...goodness gracious me ... an extremist in the making -
harmonious sharing using such provocative terms. laoda99?Originally posted by bohiruci:hmm... adamant atitude ...maybe my friend laoda99 will share with you what is harmonious sharing and not your flame-throwing atitude
i see a fool ...goodness gracious me ... an extremist in the making
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Hahahaha funny topic
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dont u just love it when self righteous fools talk to you
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The forum does not 'ban' people, we only remove posts when it is deemed as really inappropriate.Originally posted by mhcampboy:Oh my Goodness... the Mod actually allow Cenarious to start a topic here...
Just close the topic la...this guy is not even sincere. He is just playing around. -
There is something I need to clarify. The purpose of our learning Buddhism is to distance from suffering and attain happiness. However I do not mean that motivated by death means we must be fearful of death. If we can overcome death by fearing death, then we should all start fearing death together
. Of course that is not going to work. In fact fearing death shows that we are still attached to our life and are afraid of losing it, that we are in bondage. This kind of attachment will only make us trapped in the cycles of Samsara and therefore we seek to transcend it, by recognising Death and conquering Death through the dharma.
By recognising that death happens to everyone, just as Shakyamuni Buddha recognises that there is Birth, Ageing, Sickness and Death, one who has wisdom will see that all things are impermanent and will seek the deeper truth rather than wasting their lives trapped in Dukkha & ever unsatisfactoriness. They will find the truth that sets us free from all bondage, all sufferings, and attain the highest bliss. In fact we all can attain the highest bliss in our lives, as the Buddha has shown and said, Nirvana is the Highest Bliss. The Bliss of Nirvana is the Bliss of Clarity, one who truly tasted it will jump with joy. We do not necessarily need to go somewhere else in an afterlife to experience it, but right here and now.
Back to the question of suffering. Suffering is not only in death, death is only part of life, human life is full of various distresses. (see: The Eight Distresses), in fact sentient beings are almost always suffering from Dukkha unknowingly. However, the Buddha also promised that through the dharma we can find the greatest bliss that is beyond temporary sensual pleasures, unstable, subject to impermanence, unsatisfactoriness and dukkha (see: http://buddhism.sgforums.com/?action=thread_display&thread_id=171090). As long as there is any form of clinging to and craving for anything - whether enjoyable or painful - one will have dukkha. Any form of mental negativities, anxious, despairing, frustrated, irritated, upset, disappointed, discomfort, anguish, painful and disgusted, is also dukkha.
Also, regarding 'motivation'/'aspiration', different people have different 'aspirations'/motivation for walking their path.
For example, those who yearn to be free from Samsara can be considered Sravakas, leading to Arhantship:
One who is afraid upon seeing the suffering of samsara
And yearns to achieve nirvana
But has little interest in benefitting sentient beings—
These three are the marks of the Hearer family.
Those who have great compassion to liberate all beings and lead them to supreme enlightenment are walking the Mahayana path, leading to Buddhahood. Their aspiration includes saving both the inner sentient being and the outer sentient beings.
According to Mahayana, although Arhants are freed from fetters, they still have subtle discriminations of nirvana and samsara, they cling unto the Nirvana dharma and are fearful of returning to Samsara. A bodhisattva transcends that and returns to Samsara to save sentient beings and further cultivate the Paramitas until they attain the Complete and Perfect enlightenment of the Buddha. -
Your post is very vague here. You only criticise the posters, but you did not specify what exactly is wrong. So I hope you can be more detailed.Originally posted by White_Wolf_Thunder:I have seen different views of Buddhism in here. None is teaching of Buddha, what is the use of having an external shell that is empty inside?
Sad to tell you i am shocked this is your Buddhism.
Criticism, don't put words in my mouth. Flame? I see a dull dying flame struggling.
Happiness is mine, i am not sharing with you.