How to recarnate back to human when being an insect?
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An evil human with no relatives and true friends die one day and becomes an insect. How does he recarnate back to human when being an insect? How do the insect, e.g cockroach, gain merits so that it can be recarnated back to human or even gain enlightenment?
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once a person goes into 3 lower realms (hell, hungry ghost or animal), it will be very difficult for him to come back to human realm.Originally posted by askxyz:An evil human with no relatives and true friends die one day and becomes an insect. How does he recarnate back to human when being an insect? How do the insect, e.g cockroach, gain merits so that it can be recarnated back to human or even gain enlightenment?
Especially since he has no relatives or close friends to do chanting and share merits with him.
However, at the end of chanting session or dharma talk, we usually will share merits to all sentient beings in all realms. This will lessen their suffering and they will reborn into a better realm earlier.
But when they are reborn into animal realm, while having to pay back for their past bad deed, they most likely will create new bad karma, for example, insects eat another insects, or cow grow hatred when being slaughtered.
Due to this, it will take very long time (could be a few aeons) before they are reborn as human again.
Therefore, do cherish your life as a human, and opportunities to know buddhism. -
Extracted this from the wonderful world of internet:
Can animals be reborn as humans beings? Yes, if they come into contact with the Dharma, see a Buddhist temple, or smell incense burning. The contact can plant a Dharma seed which takes root when they're reborn as humans. They can achieve their full potential and become enlightened, but only as a human being. So, it's up to all of us to help our pets be reborn in the human realm.
Hence for us, human to help our insect counter parts to reincarnate into human realm, we need to dedicate our merits to them, together with all sentient beings. If you came across a dead insect in your path, you could do a simple chanting for them, as though their body is dead, their consciousness is still there. No doubt they have created negative karma by preying on other animals/insects, these are karma of ignorance, cos they do not have our wisdom, but all beings have the same Buddha Nature as us. -
Originally posted by askxyz:
surely they must have planted some little good seeds in the infinity past, ie way before the evil deeds were commited. so when the conditions of the good seed is right, they also can reap, then they can reborn back to the upper realmS, be it step by step or striaght away to human or heavenly realm. if not wait til the "retributions" is over lor.
An evil human with no relatives and true friends die one day and becomes an insect. How does he recarnate back to human when being an insect? How do the insect, e.g cockroach, gain merits so that it can be recarnated back to human or even gain enlightenment?
Buddha mentioned, an ant is so stuborn that it take them 7 Buddhas reborning on Earth to escape the ant body!
so it's not eternal. "retributions" will still be over.
i think animal killing animal is neutral karma btw. some animal are carnivores, they have no choice but to kill and eat other animal. so it is for severing hunger rather than for Fun. only we human can kill for fun.
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Once their karma for being an insect is exhausted, they will be reborn as human again. But not an easy matter, for animals like insects, may take a lot of lifetimes, maybe thousands or millions of lifetimes. (also depending on karma)Originally posted by askxyz:An evil human with no relatives and true friends die one day and becomes an insect. How does he recarnate back to human when being an insect? How do the insect, e.g cockroach, gain merits so that it can be recarnated back to human or even gain enlightenment? -
This is just my opinion... so pls don't slam me
The rebirth of a deceased is based on the vibration level/level of awareness and residual karma. The level of awareness of a human being and insect is far too wide... so it is almost impossible for a human to take rebirth as an insect.
More likely, a very evil person may be attracted to a realm where other similar vibration 'beings' are in. If you get a place full of evil people... you will have hell. Evil people will get all out to tekan and bully each other... making life a horror. There is no one determining who goes where... it is a matter of how fast one understand the cause of its suffering. The less unconsciousness, the more aware an evil act is recognised as it is.. and the less likely it will be committed. So evil is actually a form of ignorance... ignorance of its effect..that is. The same applies for all other forms of unconsciosness.
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What do you think of the world? Evil right? Then there must be many animals and insects than human as the former usually takes so many many years to exhaust their bad karma to become human again. But then I do not find an explosion of animals and insects population but only an explosion in human population. Does that mean human morality is getting better? I don't know transfering merits can help to lessen their bad karma by how much but i believe it still will take quite a while to recarnate back to human. So it still does not justify the human populaton explosion and not animals and insects.Originally posted by An Eternal Now:Once their karma for being an insect is exhausted, they will be reborn as human again. But not an easy matter, for animals like insects, may take a lot of lifetimes, maybe thousands or millions of lifetimes. (also depending on karma)
Please correct me if I am wrong. Trying to understand the buddhism faith.
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There is no explosion of insect population, because insect population is probably in zillions, much more than human population. Even if there is an explosion the number is too big for us to count.Originally posted by askxyz:What do you think of the world? Evil right? Then there must be many animals and insects than human as the former usually takes so many many years to exhaust their bad karma to become human again. But then I do not find an explosion of animals and insects population but only an explosion in human population. Does that mean human morality is getting better? I don't know transfering merits can help to lessen their bad karma by how much but i believe it still will take quite a while to recarnate back to human. So it still does not justify the human populaton explosion and not animals and insects.
Please correct me if I am wrong. Trying to understand the buddhism faith.
There is an explosion of humans, where do these humans come from... some may be lower realm beings like animals who 'evolved' out of their realm into human realm as their karma for animal realm have exhausted. Some may be humans in past life. And others may be humans or celestial beings or etc from other places or planets. In Buddhism, according to Buddha, the universe is huge and vast, and there are many worlds out there that harbours life that scientists have not discovered. I suppose in the future we will. -
You mean there are other humans living in other planets and places? Are there any proofs?Originally posted by An Eternal Now:There is no explosion of insect population, because insect population is probably in zillions, much more than human population. Even if there is an explosion the number is too big for us to count.
There is an explosion of humans, where do these humans come from... some may be lower realm beings like animals who 'evolved' out of their realm into human realm as their karma for animal realm have exhausted. Some may be humans in past life. And others may be humans or celestial beings or etc from other places or planets. In Buddhism, according to Buddha, the universe is huge and vast, and there are many worlds out there that harbours life that scientists have not discovered. I suppose in the future we will. -
It is true, a very evil person will be attracted to a realm where other similar vibration beings are in.. which may not necessarily be human realms. And what is the cause of rebirth in Animal realm? In Buddhism, it is due to very igonrant thoughts that leads someone into the animal realm.Originally posted by longchen:This is just my opinion... so pls don't slam me
The rebirth of a deceased is based on the vibration level/level of awareness and residual karma. The level of awareness of a human being and insect is far too wide... so it is almost impossible for a human to take rebirth as an insect.
More likely, a very evil person may be attracted to a realm where other similar vibration 'beings' are in. If you get a place full of evil people... you will have hell. Evil people will get all out to tekan and bully each other... making life a horror. There is no one determining who goes where... it is a matter of how fast one understand the cause of its suffering. The less unconsciousness, the more aware an evil act is recognised as it is.. and the less likely it will be committed. So evil is actually a form of ignorance... ignorance of its effect..that is. The same applies for all other forms of unconsciosness.
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i heard that the chance for animals to reborn as human beings are very slim; n the chance for human beings to reborn as animals due to bad karma are very large.
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As I said there are no proof, I am saying that this is what the Buddha said. But we can logically conclude since we still know so little about the universe. Scientists have recently discovered hundreds of extrasolar planets, and that is the beginning. In the future, thousands or millions more planets will be discovered, and any one of them may harbour life. Beyond this universe, scientist does not know what is there. There could very well be other universes. In Buddhism, the cosmology is really vast and wide without boundaries.Originally posted by askxyz:You mean there are other humans living in other planets and places? Are there any proofs?
http://www.jenchen.org.sg/vol8no2a.htm
The Earth is not the only world. It is only one of the innumerable planets in the vast universe. It is analogous to a grain of sand in the riverbed of the Ganges River and is called the Earth. The "Jambudvipa" mentioned in the Buddhist scriptures refer to the Earth in which we live. Our earth is one of the many planets of the "small chilocosm". To understand the extent of the vastness of the whole world as described by the Buddha, it is necessary to explain the term "Three Thousand Great Chilocosm".
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Oh and I just remembered. It is prophecised by the Buddha that, during the period of the next Buddha, Maitreya Buddha, 4 different planets from different parts of our galaxy will be united under one rule. -
According to sutras the beings from hell and animal realm or ghost realm will eventually reborn back as Humans, but it will take them many many lifetimes, and those who 'returned from hell' sometimes even when reborn as humans, they have to suffer a while due to their 'left-over karma' - infant mortality, etc. Sometimes it goes in this order - Bad Karma --> Ghost realm --> Hell realm --> Animal Realm (Buddha said some may reincarnate as microscopic animals or other tiny animals) --> eventually back to Human Realm.Originally posted by 798:i heard that the chance for animals to reborn as human beings are very slim; n the chance for human beings to reborn as animals due to bad karma are very large.
It is true that that the chance for humans to reborn in animal realm is quite considering so many people breaking precepts and completely ignorant in Mind, Speech, Actions. -
Hi,Originally posted by An Eternal Now:There is no explosion of insect population, because insect population is probably in zillions, much more than human population. Even if there is an explosion the number is too big for us to count.
There is an explosion of humans, where do these humans come from... some may be lower realm beings like animals who 'evolved' out of their realm into human realm as their karma for animal realm have exhausted. Some may be humans in past life. And others may be humans or celestial beings or etc from other places or planets. In Buddhism, according to Buddha, the universe is huge and vast, and there are many worlds out there that harbours life that scientists have not discovered. I suppose in the future we will.
I have one more doubt. You have missed out on the animal population. This can be counted. How do you account that there is no animal population explosion? Does that mean all becomes insects? -
cannot like that account one. Some species have group consciousness or hive mentality... that is one group or species operate like one Being.Originally posted by askxyz:Hi,
I have one more doubt. You have missed out on the animal population. This can be counted. How do you account that there is no animal population explosion? Does that mean all becomes insects?
Also, some things that we think have no awareness are conscious also... for example the Planet Earth. -
of the 3 lower realms, it's critical to state the ghost realms. as majority of human nowaday are reborn in ghost realm due to the karma of greed/materialism. the ghosts had release the info to my Master that the karma of greed that people nowaday create is more than the karma of greed they create in the past. so now more ghosts are reborn back to human realm. while human into the ghost realms as replacement.
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fyi:
Why Does the World Population Increase?
There is really no ground to think that this is the only period in which the population of the world has increased.
If Buddhists do not believe in the soul created by god, how are they going to account for the increase of population in the world today? This is a very common question that is asked by many people today. People who ask this question usually assume that there is only one world where living beings exist. One must consider that it is quite natural for the population to increase in such places where good climatic conditions, medical facilities, food and precautions are available to produce and to protect living beings.
One must also consider that there is really no ground to think that this is the only period in which the population in the world has increased. There are no means of comparison with any period of ancient history. Vast civilizations existed and have disappeared in Central Asia, the Middle East, Africa and Ancient America. No census figures on these civilizations are even remotely available. Population, as everything else in the universe, is subject to cycles of rise and fall. In cycles of alarming increases of birth rate, one might be consequently tempted to argue against rebirth in this or other worlds. For the last few thousand years, there has been no evidence to prove that there were more people in some parts of the world than there are today. The number of beings existing in the various world systems is truly infinite. If human lives can be compared to only one grain of sand, the number of beings in the universe is like the grains of sand all the beaches in the world. When conditions are right and when supported by their good kamma, a few of these infinite number of beings are reborn as human beings. The advancement of medicine especially in the 19th and 20th centuries has enabled human beings to live longer and healthier lives.
This is a factor that contributes to population increase. Population can further increase unless sensible people take measures to control it. Hence, the credit or responsibility of increasing the population must be given to medical facilities and other circumstances available today. This credit or responsibility cannot be allotted to any particular religion or any external sources.
There is a belief among certain people that all unfortunate occurrences that destroy human lives are created by god in order to reduce the population of the world. Instead of giving so much suffering to his own creatures, why cannot he control the population? Why does he create more and more people in thickly populated countries where there is no proper food, clothing and other basic and necessary requirements? Those who believe that god created everything cannot give a satisfactory answer to this question. Poverty, unhappiness, war, hunger, disease, famine are not due to the will of god or to the whim of some devil, but to causes which are not so difficult to discover. http://www.sinc.sunysb.edu/Clubs/buddhism/dhammananda/241.htm
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This is quite sad.Originally posted by sinweiy:of the 3 lower realms, it's critical to state the ghost realms. as majority of human nowaday are reborn in ghost realm due to the karma of greed/materialism. the ghosts had release the info to my Master that the karma of greed that people nowaday create is more than the karma of greed they create in the past. so now more ghosts are reborn back to human realm. while human into the ghost realms as replacement.
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Seriously, just have a look around and we can see that people in general are not interested in spiritual self-progress... not even the so-call leaders. They just want to be competitive, earn a lot of money for themselves, show off and don't really care whether others suffer or not.
This kind of attitude/vibration if bring forward beyond death will propel one towards a realm of that type of vibration. One might be powerful and yah yah now, but after death it is another story.
There are much self-serving yet influenctial people around. They can really use all kind of methods (including pretending to be religious and kind) to climb up the corporate ladder... removing and firing all those deem as obstacles in their path. Sadly, life for these will not be so rosy after their ruthless splurge. Strangely, many of these types thinks that some saviour can absorb their sin. -
insect cant read this thread u say liao also no use isnt it?
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Not meant for the insectsOriginally posted by NT2:insect cant read this thread u say liao also no use isnt it?
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Looking at the bright side, there are still alot of faithful follower of the truth like yourself who have realised a living beyond the normal materialistic desire. The most important thing is, to start cultivation from self, and gradually spread the influence around. I'm sure when somethings happening, they'll realise that what they used to pursue is never permanent.Originally posted by longchen:This is quite sad.
Seriously, just have a look around and we can see that people in general are not interested in spiritual self-progress... not even the so-call leaders. They just want to be competitive, earn a lot of money for themselves, show off and don't really care whether others suffer or not.
This kind of attitude/vibration if bring forward beyond death will propel one towards a realm of that type of vibration. One might be powerful and yah yah now, but after death it is another story.
There are much self-serving yet influenctial people around. They can really use all kind of methods (including pretending to be religious and kind) to climb up the corporate ladder... removing and firing all those deem as obstacles in their path. Sadly, life for these will not be so rosy after their ruthless splurge. Strangely, many of these types thinks that some saviour can absorb their sin. -
Next time when u chant ur prayer, dun forget for those poor insects... please pray for them.
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Thanks for the optimismOriginally posted by path_seeker:Looking at the bright side, there are still alot of faithful follower of the truth like yourself who have realised a living beyond the normal materialistic desire. The most important thing is, to start cultivation from self, and gradually spread the influence around. I'm sure when somethings happening, they'll realise that what they used to pursue is never permanent.