I get angry when I see stupid.
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Can you tell me how this is related to my ego?
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Me too.
After seeing this thread now I'm furious.
Can you restrict your inane posting to Chit Chat, if you must post? Don't overstep the grace that the admin has given you, by posting in other forums meant for serious topics.
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x2...Originally posted by MooKu:Me too.
After seeing this thread now I'm furious.
Can you restrict your inane posting to Chit Chat, if you must post? Don't overstep the grace that the admin has given you, by posting in other forums meant for serious topics.
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If you thought this was the wrong forum for me to post this in, then you definitely have got the wrong idea of Buddhism.Originally posted by MooKu:Me too.
After seeing this thread now I'm furious.
Can you restrict your inane posting to Chit Chat, if you must post? Don't overstep the grace that the admin has given you, by posting in other forums meant for serious topics. -
yo stupid.
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A person will only get angry when he identifies someone else supposed stupidness with who they are. But who they are has nothing got to do with stupidness, just like if someone hits you with the stick, you shouldn't get angry with the stick. Whatever things they say or behave, the nature of it is "as-it-is", it is merely a form of conditioning, it is conditioned arising. But due to the ignorance of the mind we label them as "stupid" and such and react egoically at that.Originally posted by Cenarious:Can you tell me how this is related to my ego?
And due to the ego and mind's limitation they will certainly identify something with the person and pass conceptual judgements upon them. Why? Because we are attached to the 3 minds and 4 forms. In Diamond Sutra, sentient beings are always attached to the 3 minds and 4 forms, what are the 4 forms and 3 times?
[1] The Three Minds: (i) the past is gone and cannot be grasped. (ii) After this moment, the present becomes past and also cannot be grasped. (iii) The future is not here yet and therefore cannot be grasped too.
[2] The four forms: Form - Characteristics; (i) Everybody has an ego, this is the ego form. (ii) When we see another person, we perceive the human form. (iii) When thoughts arise in our mind, we perceive the sentient being form. (iv) The continuity of these thoughts through time gives rise to the age form.
The four forms is rooted in Subject/Object dualism, based on identification, and based on time. It grasps at the 'form' and appearance of other persons, and thus react egoically. The reason for this is ignorance, the 7th consciousness (of self and dualism) at work.
How quick we are to form an opinion of a person, to come to a conclusion about them. It is satisfying to the egoic mind to label another human being, to give them a conceptual identity, to pronounce righteous judgment upon them.
Every human being has been conditioned to think and behave in certain ways - conditioned genetically as well as by their childhood experiences and their cultural environment.
That is not who they are, but that is who they appear to be. When you pronounce judgment upon someone, you confuse those conditioned mind patterns with who they are. To do that is in itself a deeply conditioned and unconscious pattern. You give them a conceptual identitiy, and that false identity becomes a prison not only for the other person but also for you.
To let go of judgment does not mean that you don't see what they do. It means that you recognise their behavior as a form of conditioning, and you see it and accept it as that. You don't construct an identitiy out of it for that person.
That liberates you as well as the other person from identification with conditioning, with form, with mind. The ego then no longer runs your relationships.
~ Eckhart Tolle, Stillness Speaks
If we can see 'all sentient beings are Equal', then we see all sentient being's buddha nature and sees them as future Buddhas. Then we ourselves have transcended the ego, whereas sentient beings are still caught up in the dream of situations, people and ego, caught up in notions of right or wrong (ren2 wo3 shi4 fei1). Meaning caught up in samsara. -
The other posters in this thread are great examples of compulsively labeling identities.Originally posted by An Eternal Now:A person will only get angry when he identifies someone else supposed stupidness with who they are. But who they are has nothing got to do with stupidness, just like if someone hits you with the stick, you shouldn't get angry with the stick. Whatever things they say or behave, the nature of it is "as-it-is", it is merely a form of conditioning, it is conditioned arising. But due to the ignorance of the mind we label them as "stupid" and such and react egoically at that.
And due to the ego and mind's limitation they will certainly identify something with the person and pass conceptual judgements upon them. Why? Because we are attached to the 3 minds and 4 forms. In Diamond Sutra, sentient beings are always attached to the 3 minds and 4 forms, what are the 4 forms and 3 times?
[1] The Three Minds: (i) the past is gone and cannot be grasped. (ii) After this moment, the present becomes past and also cannot be grasped. (iii) The future is not here yet and therefore cannot be grasped too.
[2] The four forms: Form - Characteristics; (i) Everybody has an ego, this is the ego form. (ii) When we see another person, we perceive the human form. (iii) When thoughts arise in our mind, we perceive the sentient being form. (iv) The continuity of these thoughts through time gives rise to the age form.
The four forms is rooted in Subject/Object dualism, based on identification, and based on time. It grasps at the 'form' and appearance of other persons, and thus react egoically. The reason for this is ignorance, the 7th consciousness (of self and dualism) at work.
How quick we are to form an opinion of a person, to come to a conclusion about them. It is satisfying to the egoic mind to label another human being, to give them a conceptual identity, to pronounce righteous judgment upon them.
Every human being has been conditioned to think andbehave in certain ways - conditioned genetically as well as by their childhood experiences and their cultural environment.
That is not who they are, but that is who they appear to be. When you pronounce judgment upon someone, you confuse those conditioned mind patterns with who they are. To do that is in itself a deeply conditioned and unconscious pattern. You give them a conceptual identitiy, and that false identity becomes a prison not only for the other person but also for you.
To let go of judgment does not mean that you don't see what they do. It means that you recognise their behavior as a form of conditioning, and you see it and accept it as that. You don't construct an identitiy out of it for that person.
That liberates you as well as the otherperson from identification with conditioning, with form, with mind. The ego then no longer runs your relationships.
~ Eckhart Tolle, Stillness Speaks -
lol self pwnd
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If we can see 'all sentient beings are Equal', then we see all sentient being's buddha nature and sees them as future Buddhas. Then we ourselves have awakened and transcended the ego, whereas sentient beings are still caught up in the dream of situations, people and ego, caught up in notions of right or wrong (ren2 wo3 shi4 fei1). Meaning caught up in samsara.
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If we can see 'all sentient beings are Equal', then we see all sentient being's buddha nature and sees them as future Buddhas. Then we ourselves have transcended the ego, whereas sentient beings are still caught up in the dream of situations, people and ego, caught up in notions of right or wrong (ren2 wo3 shi4 fei1). Meaning caught up in samsara.
If everything is just conditioning then should I treat people as things? Not saying I will vandalize them.
And I don't get so angry when I see stupid on caucasians (but only on message boards). I think they're cute. -
Since that is conditioning, you do not treat them as 'things', because seeing them as conditions you also see its empty nature, where there is no 'thingness' in "things", only conditioning. Interdependant origination where there is no point of origination, all dharmas are unborn. That doesn't mean you do not go about your normal conversations with people anymore because emptiness does not mean non existence. But there will be no more negative egoic reactions with people, that is how there will be "true conversations" and "true relationships".Originally posted by Cenarious:If everything is just conditioning then should I treat people as things? Not saying I will vandalize them.
And I don't get so angry when I see stupid on caucasians (but only on message boards). I think they're cute.
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Since things are empty too why can't I see people as things?Originally posted by An Eternal Now:Since that is conditioning, you do not treat them as 'things', because seeing them as conditions you also see its empty nature, where there is no 'thingness' in "things", only conditioning. Interdependant origination where there is no point of origination, all dharmas are unborn. That doesn't mean you do not go about your normal conversations with people anymore because emptiness does not mean non existence. But there will be no more negative egoic reactions with people, that is how there will be "true conversations" and "true relationships".
As to your second line about caucasians, care to explain?
maybe because I haven't seen the destructiveness from caucasian stupids. ok not just caucasians but anyone that is not singaporean. -
ok i know why i am so angry at destructive stupid now. i am too attached to situations cuz i fear they might ruin the situation.
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Are you having exams in your poly around these weeks?
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yes, why?Originally posted by An Eternal Now:Are you having exams in your poly around these weeks? -
I see. So you're confident? Anyway good luck for your exams and don't spend too much time on the forums.Originally posted by Cenarious:yes, why? -
kOriginally posted by An Eternal Now:I see. So you're confident? Anyway good luck for your exams and don't spend too much time on the forums. -
Things are empty, which means there is no 'thingness' in things, you can see people as things as long as you do not become caught up by their 'thingness' - which means, caught up by your perception of their "Inherent Existence", but rather see them as interdependant origination. This is, that is, there is no thingness in things, all things are empty.Originally posted by Cenarious:Since things are empty too why can't I see people as things?
And I don't quite understand what you mean by 'seeing people as things'. You need to explain what you mean by this. -
Even if that person is more stupid than you, you shouldn't get angry because of that. Anger doesn't solve any problem, but will bring yourself down to their level.Originally posted by Cenarious:Can you tell me how this is related to my ego?
Buddha is far more clever and more wisdom than his disciple, but he never get angry with any of them.
Having say that, some enlightened master sometimes have the angry look when scolding his disciple, although deep down in their heart, they are very compassionate. They know in certain situation to certain people, they need to be strict in order to teach them well.
A clever person can see other's mistake more easily, that is when you need compassion to control yourself. If you are able to do so, you will gain wisdom very soon.
Imagine how ksitigarbha bodhisatva will feel, after he save the hell beings and teach them dharma, they reborn into human realm or other better realms. Many lifes later, the same batch of people go down to hell again. Will he get angry, no, because he is bodhisatva, has great compassion.
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i think i meant not taking them personallyOriginally posted by An Eternal Now:And I don't quite understand what you mean by 'seeing people as things'. You need to explain what you mean by this. -
I see. Ok as to your first question whether we should see people as 'things', you seem to imply seeing them as 'inanimate things'. Sentient beings are "things", but unlike things like tables, or keyboard, they are not inanimate things, meaning they have feelings, emotions, etc.Originally posted by Cenarious:i think i meant not taking them personally
Therefore knowing this, it is only appropriate that when we talk to them we must be mindful not to hurt their feelings, or make them angry, or etc. We should have have compassion for them, their sufferings, and say things that will give them calmness.
What is 'Pu2 Sa4' (Bodhisattva)? It is 'Jue, You Qing'. Having compassion but also aware. Bodhisattvas have compassion towards all sentient beings, but they are not caught forms and appearances and emotions, notions of self and others, notions of right and wrong, because they are 'Aware'. So naturally when we are mindful/aware we will not take things 'personally', if it means having egoic reaction to people and situations. -
I'm so pleased that my caucasian stupidity is less objectionable than everyone elses
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Should be your point of view of this worldOriginally posted by Cenarious:Can you tell me how this is related to my ego?
Change a bit and should not be a problem
But you must understand why you feel the things are stupid in the first place
How it started and ends
All of this comes from your mind
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U are RightOriginally posted by maggot:Should be your point of view of this world
Change a bit and should not be a problem
But you must understand why you feel the things are stupid in the first place
How it started and ends
All of this comes from your mind 
The problem with life is that the most important thing in our lives is the thing we know the least about: our own minds. As the Buddha said, all things come out of the mind—all our experiences, all the happiness and all the pain that we experience, come from the mind.
"All things have the mind as their forerunner, things are made of the mind, determined by the mind"—and yet we don't know our minds, so our lives are out of control. We don't understand where things come from or how these things happen in our lives -
Racism is myopia, stupidity and ignorance on the part of the racist.
We have been different races in different lifes. For example although I am Chinese by race in this life, i certainly remembered being Caucasian and Tibetan in past lifes. Possibly there are other races within the past life tapestry too.
Let us broaden our perspective and see beyond skin colour and even species.