A zen joke which was very hilarious ..sharing :)
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Some friends of mine had arranged for an encounter between two prominent visiting Buddhist teachersÂ…This was to be a high form of what was being called dharma combat (the clashing of great minds sharpened by years of study and meditation)Â…The Zen masterÂ…reached deep inside his robes and drew out an orange. "What is this?" he demanded of the lamaÂ…and we could feel him ready to pounce on whatever response he was given. The Tibetan sat quietly fingering his mala and made no move to respond. "What is this?" the Zen master insisted, holding the orange up to the Tibetan's nose. Kalu Rinpoche bent very slowly to the Tibetan monk next to him who was serving as the translator, and they whispered back and forth for several minutes. Finally the translator addressed the room: "Rinpoche says, 'What is the matter with him? Don't they have oranges where he comes from?'" The dialogue progressed no further. (Mark Epstein, Thoughts Without A Thinker).
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Yea very interesting and hilarious account..
The Zen Master happens to be Master Seung Sahn.. also a prominent korean master
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to deep for me to understand?
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A hilarious account of two prominent masters' meeting. The zen master was trying to engage a debate in the Zen way with the Tibetan master, but the Tibetan master didn't quite get him.Originally posted by NewAge:to deep for me to understand? -
Originally posted by An Eternal Now:A hilarious account of two prominent masters' meeting. The zen master was trying to engage a debate in the Zen way with the Tibetan master, but the Tibetan master didn't quite get him.
interesting....
but sorry i'm not that deep i couldn't catch any joke hahaaa....
really? the tibetan master couldn't get the zen master?
hhmmm.... how about the other way around..... or both couldn't get each other?
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please pardon me, i really didn't get the joke.
hope the thread starter wouldn't mind.
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It is not that Kalu Rinpoche who is a highly attained meditation master couldnt answer his call for debate, but because the Zen culture and 'dharma combat' method is so alien to Tibetan Buddhism that Kalu Rinpoche didn't quite understand what Master Seung Sahn is actually challenging him to the zen style of 'dharma combat'. Tibetan way of debating is probably very different.Originally posted by paperflower: interesting....
but sorry i'm not that deep i couldn't catch any joke hahaaa....
really? the tibetan master couldn't get the zen master?
hhmmm.... how about the other way around..... or both couldn't get each other?
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hilarious!
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now i find it hilarious.....Originally posted by monoslayer:hilarious! -
i see i see....Originally posted by An Eternal Now:It is not that Kalu Rinpoche who is a highly attained meditation master couldnt answer his call for debate, but because the Zen culture and 'dharma combat' method is so alien to Tibetan Buddhism that Kalu Rinpoche didn't quite understand what Master Seung Sahn is actually challenging him to the zen style of 'dharma combat'. Tibetan way of debating is probably very different.
ok.... errm.... but what is moral of the story then? -
Erm... let bohiruci answer this oneOriginally posted by paperflower:i see i see....
ok.... errm.... but what is moral of the story then? -
Juz like what u see from The Matrix movie:
There is no spoon..
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well ,its actually quite deep to explain the story ,Originally posted by paperflower:i see i see....
ok.... errm.... but what is moral of the story then?
zen with its basis on not falling to second thoughts ,emphasizing the understanding and not label any forms as it is
As I read Master Seung Sahn teaching from his is all about understanding this "not knowing" mind
While Kalu rinpoche on the other hand ,the tibetan view of looking at things is
"knowing" it is ,and dun bother to empty the mind please !!
It is the mind that give rise to Great Wisdom that leads to Enlightenment
Either side ...have their essence of the Buddha's teaching
its just like brown rice or japanese pearl rice ,both will give the taste of rice
Enlightenment takes many form -
thanks for the explanation.....Originally posted by bohiruci:well ,its actually quite deep to explain the story ,
zen with its basis on not falling to second thoughts ,emphasizing the understanding and not label any forms as it is
As I read Master Seung Sahn teaching from his is all about understanding this "not knowing" mind
While Kalu rinpoche on the other hand ,the tibetan view of looking at things is
"knowing" it is ,and dun bother to empty the mind please !!
It is the mind that give rise to Great Wisdom that leads to Enlightenment
Either side ...have their essence of the Buddha's teaching
its just like brown rice or japanese pearl rice ,both will give the taste of rice
Enlightenment takes many form
i gathered that it is about labelling & taking things as it is without attachment.... i suppose. it appears to be deep but "there is no depth" just as it is.... ( "there is no spoon" )
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this reminds me of roller coaster ride.
what was it? a hell of a roller coaster ride, fast and furious as if sucking off your mind and body off the coaster ride but was there any action? there was no coaster ride really, just be with it as it is, the mind calmly settles down and flows with the twirling & spinning, having a fun carefree ride instead eventually and no fear (object / labelling). it is all in the mind. i feel detachment plays a big part.
so, back to the topic,
i still didn't quite get the joke but anyway i have already dropped it.
it is more like a dry joke that speaks from a deeper level.
whatever it was, it is in the eyes of the beholder. -
thanks for sharing, i think i better be silent.
by the way hor, i feel people here can maybe be less up-tight.
learning should be fun. everytime serious becomes so dull and also not having any label when it is just as it is, is like denying the existent. sorry i am being myself don't hide or act or pretend. i may not be familar with zen teaching but if sticking to a teaching so vigourously is not actually freeing the mind at all, however i respect all tradition of teachings. there is gem in every one of them i won't wanna miss as well.
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All traditions 'View' is founded in the ultimate truth which is Emptiness, but the way of debating it is quite different.Originally posted by bohiruci:well ,its actually quite deep to explain the story ,
zen with its basis on not falling to second thoughts ,emphasizing the understanding and not label any forms as it is
As I read Master Seung Sahn teaching from his is all about understanding this "not knowing" mind
While Kalu rinpoche on the other hand ,the tibetan view of looking at things is
"knowing" it is ,and dun bother to empty the mind please !!
It is the mind that give rise to Great Wisdom that leads to Enlightenment
Either side ...have their essence of the Buddha's teaching
its just like brown rice or japanese pearl rice ,both will give the taste of rice
Enlightenment takes many form -
btw the book is from the internet
and this is the amazon link
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0465085857/sr=8-3/qid=1155222883/ref=sr_1_3/002-4447410-7023232?ie=UTF8
Thoughts Without a Thinker: Psychotherapy from a Buddhist Perspective (Paperback) -
no ,paperflower , you are rightOriginally posted by paperflower:thanks for sharing, i think i better be silent.
by the way hor, i feel people here can maybe be less up-tight.
learning should be fun. everytime serious becomes so dull and also not having any label when it is just as it is, is like denying the existent. sorry i am being myself don't hide or act or pretend. i may not be familar with zen teaching but if sticking to a teaching so vigourously is not actually freeing the mind at all, however i respect all tradition of teachings. there is gem in every one of them i won't wanna miss as well.
ciao....
Buddhism is abt the essence of being learning abt nature of life in a relaxed manner
even Buddha himself introduced humour in many of his teachings -
Excuse me, if this is a real life encounter,
I wonder why as a high monk, the korean monk want to do combat and 'quarrel' with another buddhist disciple.
If this is true encounter, I must say the Tibetan Lama had a very calm mind. -
Buddhism is not a regimental religion .. there isnt an ill intention involvedOriginally posted by striketoto:Excuse me, if this is a real life encounter,
I wonder why as a high monk, the korean monk want to do combat and 'quarrel' with another buddhist disciple.
If this is true encounter, I must say the Tibetan Lama had a very calm mind.
if you interested you should read the book that i mention
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The monks don't quarrel', they debate. And (healthy) debates do occur in all traditions. In fact Debating is routinely practised among novice monks in Tibetan monasteries. Nothing wrong at all.Originally posted by striketoto:Excuse me, if this is a real life encounter,
I wonder why as a high monk, the korean monk want to do combat and 'quarrel' with another buddhist disciple.
If this is true encounter, I must say the Tibetan Lama had a very calm mind.